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by **115-1073096938** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:59 pm

Why can't our manager see that Djimi Traore is a complete liability.

Everytime he plays we conceed goals, Hyypia CANNOT play left back, REPEAT... HYYPIA CAN'T PLAY LEFT BACK.

Why can't our manager see this? Traore HAS TO GO. I didn't see the game today, i don't even need to to know that man is a waste of space. He single handedly loses us games and completely unsettles one of the best defences in the premier league every time plays.

Also, why the :censored:

did he drop Alonso, our second best player for one of the hardest games we'll play all season?

I'm absoloutely fuming today. The points where thrown away by our manager. I'm not one to over react normally, but i thought he'd finally learnt not to drop players like Alonso and not to play Djimi effing Traore. I can forgive a poor performance, i can forgive players being off form but i can't and never will forgive inept team selections and that was one today.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:17 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Why can't our manager see that Djimi Traore is a complete liability.

Everytime he plays we conceed goals, Hyypia CANNOT play left back, REPEAT... HYYPIA CAN'T PLAY LEFT BACK.

Why can't our manager see this? Traore HAS TO GO. I didn't see the game today, i don't even need to to know that man is a waste of space. He single handedly loses us games and completely unsettles one of the best defences in the premier league every time plays.

Also, why the did he drop Alonso, our second best player for one of the hardest games we'll play all season?

I'm absoloutely fuming today. The points where thrown away by our manager. I'm not one to over react normally, but i thought he'd finally learnt not to drop players like Alonso and not to play Djimi effing Traore. I can forgive a poor performance, i can forgive players being off form but i can't and never will forgive inept team selections and that was one today.

I think your being v.harsh on Benitez , Ok maybe not Traore , He obviously feels obliged to play Traore and he's just given him a four year contract :no

I cant answer that one.

Bolton play a very up in the air game and a physical one Rafa thought we needed a bit more bite in the middle today,Sissoko and Hamman were put in for that reason.
Also nowadays and especially over the Christmas period the need to rest or rotate every now and then is much needed.
So I can see why Rafa changed it ,I dont think it was Rafas team selection more to do with poor reffing by all accounts, anyway if we would of one today I bet you'd be praising Rafas selection by saying the complete opposite (apart from Traore).

What I was suprised to see was that Pongolle was given the nod over Cisse though

by **72-1136150807** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:23 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Also, why the did he drop Alonso, our second best player for one of the hardest games we'll play all season?

I dont know the reasoning behind playing Djimi, but I would hazard a guess on Alonso.

I think he looked at the game, and the threat of it being a very physical one (not that he cant hold his own!) and as I think he sees Alonso as the 'Key' to our team and the tempo that he wants us to play at (which of course further makes you think, 'Why'!) that he wanted to save or rest him, and not risk him getting injured.

I have noticed, that if Rafa is going to rest one of our two key players (Xabi/Stevie) he tends to rest Xabi first and foremost.
Which in my mind, tells its own story!

by **banana** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:44 pm

Bolton was going to play rough so he wanted didi and momo to control them. he obviously feared that someone was going to do a Lampard on Alonso and ruin our chances in europe. Traore's problem is not his physique, it's his head, while Hyypia's problem is his physique not his head. Both are liabilities and they have a great deal of blame today for upsetting our defensive record. Hyypia with his astonishing intervention kicking the ball out of reina's gloves and being outpaced on the second goal. Traore was just being traore.

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:04 pm

Hyypia a liability? Of course. :laugh:

As for saying it was going to be physical... well... duh... Alonso loves a tackle and is excellent in physical games aswell. Hence the reason he's the player he is. He's a damn site better than Hamann anyway who is well past his best, if anyone should have been rested for Hamann its Sissoko, not Xabi.

Our best two players are Xabi and Stevie, neither of them should be dropped or rested unless a game is won.

by **mighty mo** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:04 pm

a bit harsh there stu,liverpool have played 4 games in 8 days and this was the hardest game of the four,bolton are one of the most physical sides in the league,so playing hamann and sissoko instead of alonso was probably why he was on the bench

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:07 pm

Mo the point is mate the team selection becomes inept when you drop Xabi and play Gerrard out wide.

To then play Traore at the back, i'm sorry, theres no excuse. Riise is better than Djimi in nearly every aspect of the game expect pace.

Warnock also, except pace.

Sissoko is still a boy and isn't ready for first team football everyweek, Hamann's past his brilliant best and Alonso and Gerrard are our two best players.

Traore is a liability. Everytime he plays, we conceed. Not a coincidence.

by **zarababe** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:08 pm

stu_the_red wrote:I'm absoloutely fuming today. The points where thrown away by our manager. I'm not one to over react normally, but i thought he'd finally learnt not to drop players like Alonso and not to play Djimi effing Traore. I can forgive a poor performance, i can forgive players being off form but i can't and never will forgive inept team selections and that was one today.

Has it occurred to you Mr 'fuming' that Alonso was not able to play the whole 90 minutes?

I can't believe that after a match which last year we would have lost, ppl start havin a go, use some common sense, players fitness levels and rates of recovery vary, Alonso and Garcia are not in the same physical condition as Gerrard and Carra etc.

We did alomost win that game BTW, it's not the end of the world.

by **BOODIDDY** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:10 pm

i was at the game today and hyypia was very poor. I dont know why on earth he wanted to kick the ball out of reina's hands. Traore will never be a good player he scares the sh1t out of everyone when he gets it. Our selection today did puzzle me. I mean Bolton always play a very in your face game, and so to use pongolle up front was a waste of 60mins. Riise was poor on saturday against west brom and i think warnock is injured. So maybe rafa's hand was forced on traore. Hammann also had a stinker today.

But at the end of it we got out of jail thanx to the effort of our so called luxury players. Garcia and Kewell! H is getting better every game i hope he keeps this up. Luis got stuck in the minute he came on. Alonso was the calming influence in the middle and that chilled sissoko out and he had a better second half.

All in all a point at the reebok is quite good and 10 from 12 well i'll take it. We must forget about the title i for one never thought we could win it this year. But, second place will be ours. Man U will lose 2moro.

The sooner Agger arrives the better for this club cos hyypia and even carra looked jaded 2day. We need that winger and i think a left back. Scoring goals isn't a problem cos our team has a lot of fluidity and goals are coming from all over the park.

I'm upbeat cos this game would of been a defeat last year. Lastly, we showed a steel about us that was very much like chelsea and man u in previous seasons. Why? Cos we are the chamions, champions of europe!!

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:15 pm

zarababe wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:I'm absoloutely fuming today. The points where thrown away by our manager. I'm not one to over react normally, but i thought he'd finally learnt not to drop players like Alonso and not to play Djimi effing Traore. I can forgive a poor performance, i can forgive players being off form but i can't and never will forgive inept team selections and that was one today.

Has it occurred to you Mr 'fuming' that Alonso was not able to play the whole 90 minutes?

I can't believe that after a match which last year we would have lost, ppl start havin a go, use some common sense, players fitness levels and rates of recovery vary, Alonso and Garcia are not in the same physical condition as Gerrard and Carra etc.

We did alomost win that game BTW, it's not the end of the world.

Zara i understand that. How many times do i rant after bad results? I'm usually the voice of reason, as i said though, inept team selections i won't accept. Traore makes the team selection inept on his own. To then play Gerrard on the right... ESPECIALLY when Xabi isn't in the centre is stupid and the reason we didn't win todays match in my opinion. I recognise the improvement, its fantastic to be fair and i'm made up with this season so far, however things like that today are unacceptable, Rafa is setting a standard he has to keep to, today he let his standards slip and its unacceptable.

He has to learn and learn fast. For christs sake look at the goals against when Traore plays to when he doesn't. Says it all if you ask me.

by **mighty mo** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:21 pm

wow!! 10 wins out of 11,last sixteen of the CL and if we win our games in hand we are in second,now stu tell me where i should be as :censored:

off as you

by **zarababe** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:21 pm

True, that Traore selections coinside with nervy defensive displays, although having said that Pepe made a howler for the first goal, but that happens.

I was just pointing out that some players are more tired then others hence Alonso's and others ommission confirmed by the boss:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media...._bb.ram

by **drummerphil** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:36 pm

As for the point of Traore i'm in full agreement,he scares the life out of me everytime the ball goes anywhere near him and he is definately our "Bramble" as we all cheered last week.After his first half in Istanbul i hoped i would never ever see him in the red shirt again.The problem is until we sign decent defensive replacements we are stuck with him.I know we have recently aquired one or two decent youngsters lately but they are not ready for the premier league yet.I hope against Luton they get a few minutes first team play but not from the start as Luton could be another Burnley.
Once we have defensive cover i would buy Traore a one way ticket out of Anfield the guy has never and will never be good enough.

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:48 pm

drummerphil wrote:As for the point of Traore i'm in full agreement,he scares the life out of me everytime the ball goes anywhere near him and he is definately our "Bramble" as we all cheered last week.After his first half in Istanbul i hoped i would never ever see him in the red shirt again.The problem is until we sign decent defensive replacements we are stuck with him.I know we have recently aquired one or two decent youngsters lately but they are not ready for the premier league yet.I hope against Luton they get a few minutes first team play but not from the start as Luton could be another Burnley.
Once we have defensive cover i would buy Traore a one way ticket out of Anfield the guy has never and will never be good enough.

The youngsters aren't ready mate, agreed.

However... neither is Traore.

He should never play. We have Riise and Warnock who can play there and once we have central cover we also have Carragher.

Traore is a definate no no.

by **shanks** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:56 pm

Djimi Traore is bloody awful gives the ball away 2 much for me get rid:(

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