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by **Red black white** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:16 pm

That Flamengo team from Zico was indredible. According to many Brazilian jounalists it was the best team EVER.

I don't really know about Liverpool x Independiente, but you can find more information on Fifa webpage. Go "World Club Championship" > "Previous Winners" > "Independiente" and then you'll find some information about that match.

São Paulo won it twice, in 1992 and 1993...and I hope we will win it for the third time in 2005.

by **Sabre** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:16 pm

Some factors:

* Outside europe the pitches had longer grass, and was slower.

* Jet lag

* The Crowd, mind you, you are more important in how Liverpool plays than you think, for something you are called supporters

* From time to time some brilliant american teams appear only to be dismantled next year

* The importance given to the club by teams, here and there, was not high.

I'm not sure WHEN in the season were played this games, but something tells me it was in the preseason or something, not in winter.

by **greenred** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:18 pm

Carragher puts victories before clean sheets Premiership aim as Reds go for first world title

Dominic Fifield in Yokohama
Tuesday December 13, 2005
The Guardian

Jamie Carragher and Sami Hyypia, pale and gaunt with the legacy of a 15-hour trek around the globe, had to wade through frenzied crowds of autograph hunters at their hotel here yesterday. Celebrity status for the linchpins of Liverpool's defence is guaranteed these days yet, once the adoring masses had dispersed and the centre-halves could turn their thoughts to breaking one of Liverpool's most impressive records, a sense of proper perspective soon sunk in.

Should the European champions beat Deportivo Saprissa - the Costa Ricans having edged past Sydney FC 1-0 yesterday - on Thursday in their semi-final of the Fifa Club World Championship, then an 11th consecutive clean sheet would set a new club record. Kenny Dalglish's title-winning side of 1987-88 registered 10 successive blanks, though there the comparison with that great team ends. "The thing is, players like Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson won championships and Liverpool around that time had won all those European Cups," said Carragher. "Statistics are nice and it's great to break records, but the main thing is to win the silverware."
Should Liverpool beat the Costa Rican side they will have an opportunity to flourish where their predecessors floundered, against Flamengo and Independiente in 1981 and 1984, by winning the final, which takes place here on Sunday. For the centre-halves, though, it is domestic success which must prove their legacy.

It may be 924 minutes since the Merseysiders last conceded, with Rafael Benítez's side currently Chelsea's most coherent challengers in the Premiership after seven straight wins, but the sense remains that this Liverpool side will not rest until a domestic championship has been won for the first time since 1990. "Those past players had won more than we have," said Hyypia, "but we still have time to match them in terms of the silverware we win for this club."

"Those players won titles with the club and that's the aim of everybody here at the moment," added Carragher. "Of course we'd like to beat their record - we've done well even to equal it - but our aim is very much to be as successful as that side in the future. It's about winning games, not just about keeping the clean sheets going. When we were playing Middlesbrough on Saturday, at 0-0 I started thinking it would be great to claim another clean sheet with the record in mind, but I'd have rather we'd won 2-1 than drawn. In the end we got the best of both worlds and it makes me proud to be involved in this defence, but we have to keep progressing."

Success in Japan would maintain momentum for the weeks ahead and help to nullify the effects of the 12,000-mile round trip, albeit only psychologically. Steven Gerrard admitted yesterday that there were "slight concerns" that the physical exertions could catch up with the Liverpool squad, although the focus remains on adding the world crown to the European Cup claimed in Istanbul in May. Already, a stodgy start to the current campaign, which saw the Champions League winners languishing in the lower reaches over the first few months of the season, has been forgotten.

"I've not been surprised at the way Rafa's turned things around," offered the chief executive, Rick Parry. "We're very pleased, not surprised. There's a hunger and an ambition within the club which is shared by the supporters, the players, the manager and the board of directors. We're pleased with the way things are going this year and delighted with the way things ended last season, but we're not finished yet. The aim is to go on, win a league title or two and maintain this progress. We've some way still to go, but we're delighted with the job Rafa's done and the way the players have responded this year."

by **drummerphil** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:22 pm

i saw the game with Flamengo.......and they were indeed a great side,saying that ...we also looked very tired throughout the game.

by **RAFABENITEZ** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:22 pm

Should this be moved to th official thread or not?

by **jonnymac1979** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:25 pm

I've just merged the two.

by **A.B.** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:36 pm

Red black white wrote:
darwisigila wrote:south american league :-

- pathetic
- bribery
- rioting fan
- bad pitch
- old stadiums
- not competitive
- choatic
- liberdatoras cup? 2 legs final?

south american player ply their trade around the world - vietnam, fiji, sri lanka, india, arab saudi, malaysia, china, bhutan, nepal, mali, alaska?, everest coz they no they are going no where if they playing in their homeland.

They will get better life outside their country and they sing praise for their adoptive country where they play coz they are professional. They don undermine or look down their team mate or team ( maybe indian, malaysia, chinese, hong kong ) like their true fan back home.

We gonna be a world champion and nobody can stop us...sao paolo either and let hear what mourinho will say next...maybe he will say that world championship is not official coz the best team not around ( chelshite)

- Pathetic? Why?
- Bribery? Prove it! There's only one case which was proved.
- Rioting fan? Fans are passionate...that's the difference.
- Old Stadiums? Depends on the club. Many clubs have very good stadiums, as São Paulo, for example.
- Not competitive? LOL The most competitive league is the Brazilian one. In Engalnd, how many clubes are there capable of winning? 4, right? In Brazil, we have 15 clubs capable of winning Brazilian league.
- Libertadores Cup...2 legs final? I didn't get it.

Here are some photos of our stadium and supporters:

How about the fans that invaded the pitch and one of them stabbed a player? Passionate my ass

by **greenred** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:37 pm

This is the stadium we`ll be playing the semi and final in.Check out the size of the track.

by **Red black white** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:52 pm

How about the fans that invaded the pitch and one of them stabbed a player? Passionate my

It happens once in a while. :talktothehand

And that's because of passion. Some of them get out of control. However, of course I don't approve it.

But you may agree with me that the way South Americans support their teams is way different than the way Europeans support theirs. I think South American fans are much more supportive.

And a couple of years ago, Engaland used to have a lot of problems with riot fans. You remember, don't you?

by **Sabre** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:54 pm

Speaking of invasion, where's that "Rogers" the streaker (sp?) is from? what do you think of him, his last appearance was in la liga, completely naked, and "Galactic As.s" or something could be read in his back. Beckham could not avoid a giggle , the cameras were cathing his reaction

by **.SPFC.MKTZ** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:01 pm

I always ask myself..
What the europeans teams would be without players of South America, Africa..
These fanatic guys forget we have the best players, the best football..I'd be very very sorry and get laugh if you had just english players on your club..lol lol
Where did you think Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Juninho, Cafu, Adriano and all brazilian stars started to play?

Did you know them in five, ten years ago??
So..you even don't know the sao paulo players...how can you talk about them? It's so simple when people just subestimate others..but in this case you are talking about BRAZILIAN PLAYERS..don't forget it! ok?

by **jonnymac1979** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:02 pm

Sabre wrote:Speaking of invasion, where's that "Rogers" the streaker (sp?) is from? what do you think of him,

That Scouser Mark fella? I think he's a bellend, pardon the pun. A joke like streaking works once, now he's just a sad tit.

What the fucks his surname? Is it Roberts? I've seen him at a few events like. He's just annoying now running round with his mickey out as if it's the funniest thing in the world.

by **A.B.** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:04 pm

What the europeans teams would be without players of South America, Africa..

We don't have any South American players, so we would be fine. I thank you

by **.SPFC.MKTZ** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:31 pm

A.B. wrote:We don't have any South American players, so we would be fine. I thank you

Ok..i can ask it again..
What the EUROPEANS teams (not just Liverpool) would be without players of South America, Africa...and other contries?
Can u understand now?

Zenden, Cisse, Morientes, Luis Garcia, Alonso, Dudek, Reina, Riise..and others..

Where are they from?? England?..i don't think so..
Brazil has many good players who you only know when they goes to the Europe..

by **A.B.** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:35 pm

.SPFC.MKTZ wrote:
A.B. wrote:We don't have any South American players, so we would be fine. I thank you

Ok..i can ask it again..
What the EUROPEANS teams (not just Liverpool) would be without players of South America, Africa...and other contries?
Can u understand now?

Zenden, Cisse, Morientes, Luis Garcia, Alonso, Dudek, Reina, Riise..and others..

Where are they from?? England?..i don't think so..
Brazil has many good players who you only know when they goes to the Europe..

Liverpool used to have mostly all Brittish players, and we dominated Europe with those players. But times have changed.

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