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by **ken_job** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:41 pm

i have to agree that this 'big name' fever is out of order. when stevie looked like leaving people could only see the money and the team that we were gonna build with the mega-bucks. "we'll get aimar, ballack, SWP, jaoquin and about 5 other lads". this just doesnt happen - even if we had the money and intended buying big names - well, that doesnt work either. chalsea for example wanted shevchenko, ronaldinho, eto'o etc and even tho they have the cash, do these players come ?? no.

this will probably never happen at LFC and thats a good thing if u ask me, steamrolling teams, stealing players and members of staff is on the other hand the 'ugly' side to football. theres so much more to be gained from loyalty and honourable dealings. rafa is a nice man - and so far hes doing his job above expectations. good luck in the future senor benitez, spend ur money wisely.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:41 pm

Fernando Morientes > 19 < wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
JBG wrote:If people want big names then maybe we should sign yckatbjywtbiastkamb?

i`m a yard slow these days jbg.

I guess not like Pellegrino... ??

alas, i`m slower than even him, maybe a yard was a slight understatement......more like twenty

by **ken_job** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:42 pm

saying that tho i'd still love to see SWP on the right wing ... in a nice new red jersey.

by **Powelly** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:10 pm

stapo1000 wrote:
Powelly wrote:he won't just buy a player because of his history with a previous club

Isn't that what 100% of his signings are based on or does he just buy random players?

Not really, the player could be good for that club because of surrounding players, formations, playing styles, tactics - but would not fit into Liverpool because the above four points. However, there may be a player that doesn't fit into its current teams plans but fits the suit for Liverpool.

Football is always going to be trial and error, lets have more trial than error though - not spending our entire budget on a player just to have a new 'big name' signing on board that is not needed.

by **barnesrush** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:27 pm

king mickey wrote:Hey all I'm fairly new here,but on the subject of buying (relatively) unknowns why not put in a bid for west broms soltan gera the guy was amazing for them last season is the captain of his national team and would cost a pittance I for 1 would rather we signed him than crouch or figo the guy oozes class

gera is a player i really like. i think hes a rafa sort of player as he seems to give 100% for the cause and has a lot of quality also. any idea how old he is?

by **Red @ Heart** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:29 pm

Powelly wrote:
stapo1000 wrote:
Powelly wrote:he won't just buy a player because of his history with a previous club

Isn't that what 100% of his signings are based on or does he just buy random players?

Not really, the player could be good for that club because of surrounding players, formations, playing styles, tactics - but would not fit into Liverpool because the above four points. However, there may be a player that doesn't fit into its current teams plans but fits the suit for Liverpool.

Football is always going to be trial and error, lets have more trial than error though - not spending our entire budget on a player just to have a new 'big name' signing on board that is not needed.

i was going to make a post like that powelly,
my thoughts exactly.

by **JC_81** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:33 pm

barnesrush wrote:
king mickey wrote:Hey all I'm fairly new here,but on the subject of buying (relatively) unknowns why not put in a bid for west broms soltan gera the guy was amazing for them last season is the captain of his national team and would cost a pittance I for 1 would rather we signed him than crouch or figo the guy oozes class

gera is a player i really like. i think hes a rafa sort of player as he seems to give 100% for the cause and has a lot of quality also. any idea how old he is?

fu.ck me, Gera??

I remember he was bollox when we played West Brom last season. He's ok at best, wouldn't want him anywhere near us to be honest though. Maybe you boys have seen him more times than me

by **Dalglish** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:25 am

This obsession with "big names" makes me laugh. What are the folowing players if their not "big" names ....Stevie G, Xabi Alonso, Jamie Carragher ...........? Two out the three are home grown and whilst I realise that this class of player doesn't come round often enough for any of our likings it's become the base on which the team is built.

You can't treat following this great club like a game of Chamopionship Manager you know???

Arsenal, arguably the most successful club in the last 6 years have bought...... lets call them "little "players shall we such as Henry and Viera and more recently Fabregas and Flamini and nurtured them in the ways of that particular club and seen relative success (Except in Europe but thats a different story).

Rafa knows that any player has to "fit" and his record so far on signings has been good so lets lose the clamour for "big" name signings and get on with winning honours with the "Team" !

by **PinkPantha** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:40 am

At the end of the season we'll all see if we needed to sign big name players or not. I believe that Rafa can make a good team without all big name players.

by **azriahmad** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:58 am

For all of the Theiry Henry's, Patrick Viera's and Nicholas Anelka's that Wenger has nurtured into world-class players from modest outlays (7.5 million for Henry is not exactly modest but for the player he subsequently blossemed into, it is really worth every penny), there are the Igor Stephanovs, Jeremy Pennants, Jeffers, Richard Wrights etc who have been flops but the thing about Wenger is his uncanny ability to get it right and spectacularly so on his successes.

The main attribute that Wenger seems to like are speed and skill and he later manages to forge determination into their game.

Benithez is trying to do the same and he has emphasised that charachter is an important consideration and I hope he succeeds. Benithez is a very meticulous and intelligent coach, also he has achieved things in the past repeatedly so there is more of a chance of him being successful than not.

Let's hope we really get improvements in the EPL, the 'bread and butter' honours of an English team.

by **laza** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:57 pm

Anyone who thinks we can win things by just buying big names is deluding themselves.
Even if it does work we would still be playing second fiddle to Chelski for the forseeable future with their bankroll
We need a manager who will forge a superstar team, not buy a team of superstars and hopefully we now have that manager

by **JBG** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:10 pm

I've done a bit more research into Sissoko over the past few days and he could be an important signing for us.

Look at all the guys Spanish teams like Villareal, Deportivo and Valencia have. Hardly any of them were big names before they joined: they were either players from smaller clubs or Madrid/Barca reserve cast offs.

In the 1990s we went out and signed big names like Julian Dicks, Paul Stewart, Phil Babb, Stan Collymore and Karl Heinz Reidle, yet got nowhere.

by **The Canadian Red Army** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:13 pm

JBG wrote:I've done a bit more research into Sissoko over the past few days and he could be an important signing for us.

Look at all the guys Spanish teams like Villareal, Deportivo and Valencia have. Hardly any of them were big names before they joined: they were either players from smaller clubs or Madrid/Barca reserve cast offs.

In the 1990s we went out and signed big names like Julian Dicks, Paul Stewart, Phil Babb, Stan Collymore and Karl Heinz Reidle, yet got nowhere.

sorry my knowledge of liverpool in the early to middle 90's is limited, but wasnt Babb a half decent signing? just asking.

but in retrospect to these people who want big names, wouldnt it be better to spend 5 million on a player like sissoko that can be molded into a player to fit our squad, than go out and spend 13+ million on a micheal ballack. If a player was a flop at 4 million, wouldnt that be alittle better than see another diouf.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:32 pm

The Canadian Red Army wrote:
JBG wrote:I've done a bit more research into Sissoko over the past few days and he could be an important signing for us.

Look at all the guys Spanish teams like Villareal, Deportivo and Valencia have. Hardly any of them were big names before they joined: they were either players from smaller clubs or Madrid/Barca reserve cast offs.

In the 1990s we went out and signed big names like Julian Dicks, Paul Stewart, Phil Babb, Stan Collymore and Karl Heinz Reidle, yet got nowhere.

sorry my knowledge of liverpool in the early to middle 90's is limited, but wasnt Babb a half decent signing? just asking.

but in retrospect to these people who want big names, wouldnt it be better to spend 5 million on a player like sissoko that can be molded into a player to fit our squad, than go out and spend 13+ million on a micheal ballack. If a player was a flop at 4 million, wouldnt that be alittle better than see another diouf.

no mate phil babb was rubbish in my opinion, even when he tried to clear the ball by hoofing it he had the uncanny knack of hitting one of our other defenders resulting in the ball rebounding and falling perfectly at the feet of the opposition centre forward five yards out. on the odd occasion the ball missed our other defenders it usually spiralled straight up into the air coming down when gravity finally caught up with it around the penalty spot causing outright panic in our defence.
on the subject of big names the people wanting them are probably the same people asking how long do we give morientes before we give him the elbow.

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