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by **76-1115222408** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:28 am

matrix wrote:how can you say he never scored many goals

Im not be funny, i want Aimar to come to Liverpool, if it was financially viable - but did you not see any of the stats in my previous post, I'm sorry but Aimar is simply not a player who be will scoring 'many goals' for liverpool or anyone for that matter!

This doesnt really matter as any knowlegable manager looking to purchase him will know this and it will not detract from his OVERALL ability !

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:07 am

I actually think Aimar has the potential to be a consistent goal scorer.

In the right system and in an even more advanced role than usual, I think he would score tons of goals.

by **76-1115222408** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:14 am

Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:I actually think Aimar has the potential to be a consistent goal scorer.

In the right system and in an even more advanced role than usual, I think he would score tons of goals.

I dont dispute he has the QUALITY to score a ton of goals, but i think further up he tends to look lost. I think he prefers to come and join attacks (that he initiated most of the time) from deep. And likes to find holes between mid/def and try and weave his magic.

Dont get me wrong though if he could score a ton of goals he would be almost a totally complete player.

LOOK.......

Did you know?
One observer who has no doubt about Aimar's quality is Diego Maradona, who said:

"Pablo is the only current footballer I would pay to watch."

Some recommendation.

[B]

by **Starbridge42** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:17 am

PabloAimar wrote:i'll tell u y we need aimar u little sh*ts....

becoz he's one of the world's best players n pisses all over sanz luis garcia neday, neweek, nematch ch'mone.

we buy aimar and garcia can be the squad player he was always destined to be.

Hahaha Pablo stop promoting yourself you know Rafa doesnt read these boards

actually that made me think of something... you know player/managers? what happens if another club bids for them do they still handle it?

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:17 am

LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:

I dont dispute he has the QUALITY to score a ton of goals, but i think further up he tends to look lost. I think he prefers to come and join attacks (that he initiated most of the time) from deep. And likes to find holes between mid/def and try and weave his magic.

Dont get me wrong though if he could score a ton of goals he would be almost a totally complete player.

LOOK.......

Did you know?
One observer who has no doubt about Aimar's quality is Diego Maradona, who said:

"Pablo is the only current footballer I would pay to watch."

Some recommendation.[B] [/quote]

I mostly agree with you, though i'd love to see him playing in an advanced role continuously to see if he does score tons of goals as I think he would. When he scores he does it in such a controlled placed fashion, there is some serious potential there yet to be really exploited.

Maradona's comments at the time where a bit surprising, seeing that he will forever be a vicious foul mothed almost ULTRA like Boca fan, and Aimar was a popular well loved River player....you know they hate each other so much that a few of their fans have ended up killing eachother over the last few years.

Anyway, Maradona's very complimentary comments regarding Aimar was a little while back, and for me just because Maradona or Pele say something, it doesn't mean it automatically becomes Gospel....well for me anyway

Cheers!

by **stella** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:34 pm

matrix wrote:aimar will be great for liverpool, how can you say he never scored many goals, lets be honest valencia have been a shambles since rafa left, and when a player says to the spanish media he is ready to join liverpool lets just say it looks likely he will be coming, and its not a matter of how can everyone play in midfield, rafa will play a rotation system next season, and the squad wont fall short like last season. ps trust the man that won us the champions league.

how can you say that? so i guess thats means Reina, Kuyt, Aimar, Luque and Ibanez are all done deals, cos all have said they would like a move to Liverpool. who ever Rafa buys i'll support, only he knows where he's taking us. but a player not even 65kg who relies on open play and time on the ball to create magic, isn't gona get that in the P.L.

by **PabloAimar** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:25 pm

the most important point that no1 has mentioned yet is that my ID is gna look pretty stupid if we stillllllll dnt sign him this summer.

do it for me rafa. :blues:

by **bigmick** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:18 pm

stella wrote:but a player not even 65kg who relies on open play and time on the ball to create magic, isn't gona get that in the P.L.

Zola can't have been much different in size to Aimar, similarly Junhinho would be much of a muchness. I too have reservations but it is by no means impossible that he could adapt. I don't really follow overseas football that much myself but his performances against us for Valencia, and similarly as a second half substitute in the World Cup left an indelible impression on me. Clearly he is an absolutely fantastic talent, whether Rafa could find a spot and role for him is the question. Looking at the stats which a couple of guys have helpfully posted up, it seems unlikely you could justify playing him as one of your strikers unless your other fellow up top is absolutely prolific, feeding off the flicks and deflections of the little man.
I don't think we NEED him as such, but the feeling persists that a Cisse or someone similar would be much more potent with an Aimar type of player feeding him.

by **RED ANT** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:20 pm

I just feel that at present we have a large squad but in terms of strength in depth a tiny one. Garcia has done well in his first season but he has no real competition for his place in the team.

What we need are 2 players playing for their place in the team not a 1st team player and then a squad player if he's injured/rested.Surely a player like Aimar would only benefit us.

He is a truely world class talent and we should be looking at players of this calibre not players like Crouch or Hargreaves.

by **JC_81** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:03 pm

Right, a few of us seem to agree that with his scoring record, aimar could not be played as a 2nd striker. Fair enough

If he was to drop back further, that would mean dropping gerrard or alonso (or hamann if he's playing). With his small stature he's unlikely to cut it in centre-mid in the prem as well, so this is a no-go IMO.

He isn't a winger and I haven't ever seen him deployed out wide, so thats probably a no-go as well.

So even if he is world class (despite the fact he hasn't been for 2 years) and even if he had a good assists ratio (which we can't find stats for), where would we play him???

And before you say we need strength in depth (which i agree we do), do you really think he is gonna come here and sit on the bench?? That is the very reason he's considering leaving Valencia.

And i know ive mentioned this before, but seriously, if he was that good why haven't the other top spanish clubs been making noises about him like they do with joaquin and did do with alonso?? The reason is that they see him on a more consistent basis and don't think he's good enough

by **76-1115222408** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:40 pm

Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:Maradona's comments at the time where a bit surprising, seeing that he will forever be a vicious foul mothed almost ULTRA like Boca fan, and Aimar was a popular well loved River player....you know they hate each other so much that a few of their fans have ended up killing eachother over the last few years.

Anyway, Maradona's very complimentary comments regarding Aimar was a little while back, and for me just because Maradona or Pele say something, it doesn't mean it automatically becomes Gospel....well for me anyway

Cheers!

I agree just because Diego made those comments doesn't mean we should sign him, that would be extremely fickle of course !!!

But like you say for Maradona to make a comment like that on a former River Plate player, speaks volumes - not only of Aimar, but that Maradona is not ALL BAD, as people love to beleive and that he would put football politics to one side to make a NEUTRAL comment without any prejudice.

Anywayz back to Aimar - like i have said dont think we will get him, or really NEED him, but i am just surprised that people dont want that extra quality in the squad, just because we have similar players. Just doesnt make sense, having a first eleven is not enough, look at chelski, because they have quality x 2 in each position, thats why they ran away with the title, won the league cup and almost i repeat with a smile on my face ALMOST went to he CL final (i wonder who/what stopped them...Hmmmm!) - and thats what i and im sure many if not all people on the boards want - some consistency and challenging on ALL fronts, for as long as possible - and we need QUALITY to do this, NOT just numbers!!!!

by **76-1115222408** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:49 pm

john craig wrote:And i know ive mentioned this before, but seriously, if he was that good why haven't the other top spanish clubs been making noises about him like they do with joaquin and did do with alonso?? The reason is that they see him on a more consistent basis and don't think he's good enough

I agree with a loy u say, but this point u make, for me doesnt mean anything. Its like saying for example, Arsenal have Henry, Chelsea have John Terry or any number of top players, Man U have Rooney, Scholes etc; but you dont see the top four teams (us in that top four obviously, not the bitters!!!) trying to buy each others players that often.

It doesnt happen really does it, and this is because one team would be strengthening a rival - and what sense does that make !!!

by **JC_81** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:20 pm

LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:
john craig wrote:And i know ive mentioned this before, but seriously, if he was that good why haven't the other top spanish clubs been making noises about him like they do with joaquin and did do with alonso?? The reason is that they see him on a more consistent basis and don't think he's good enough

I agree with a loy u say, but this point u make, for me doesnt mean anything. Its like saying for example, Arsenal have Henry, Chelsea have John Terry or any number of top players, Man U have Rooney, Scholes etc; but you dont see the top four teams (us in that top four obviously, not the bitters!!!) trying to buy each others players that often.

It doesnt happen really does it, and this is because one team would be strengthening a rival - and what sense does that make !!!

Yep point taken,

but although many will say loyalty is going out of football (and to a degree it is), england is one of the places where you see hardly any transfers between top teams (almost an exception these days).

Spain and Italy are completely different. Loyalty is almost non-existent. Off the top of my head, davids has played for milan, inter and juve, vieri has played for every top italian team almost, davids for inter and milan. In spain figo is the obvious one, Eto'o for real and barca, gerard from valencia to barca. High profile transfers like these would never happen in england (i know some were not direct transfers but even so).

But aimar to barca or real? Doesn't seem like it would be out of the ordinary to me. In Spain, I think it is significant that the big 2 in particular haven't expressed an interest in aimar. Its not the 'be all and end all' or anything but it can't be dismissed.

I agree with you about your english examples obviously, but that wasn't what i was thinking. Ince playing for us and the scum is the only high profile one i can think of between 2 big english teams

by **Chelsea forever.** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:31 pm

Dont know if you need Aimar, but Pablo is a super player. He is all class and If the likes of Kewel (who is s_h_i_t) and Nunuz (is he leaving?) are out Aimar would be a wonderful addition.

Aimar on form is truely world class.

by **76-1115222408** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:40 pm

john craig wrote:
LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:
john craig wrote:And i know ive mentioned this before, but seriously, if he was that good why haven't the other top spanish clubs been making noises about him like they do with joaquin and did do with alonso?? The reason is that they see him on a more consistent basis and don't think he's good enough

I agree with a loy u say, but this point u make, for me doesnt mean anything. Its like saying for example, Arsenal have Henry, Chelsea have John Terry or any number of top players, Man U have Rooney, Scholes etc; but you dont see the top four teams (us in that top four obviously, not the bitters!!!) trying to buy each others players that often.

It doesnt happen really does it, and this is because one team would be strengthening a rival - and what sense does that make !!!

Yep point taken,

but although many will say loyalty is going out of football (and to a degree it is), england is one of the places where you see hardly any transfers between top teams (almost an exception these days).

Spain and Italy are completely different. Loyalty is almost non-existent. Off the top of my head, davids has played for milan, inter and juve, vieri has played for every top italian team almost, davids for inter and milan. In spain figo is the obvious one, Eto'o for real and barca, gerard from valencia to barca. High profile transfers like these would never happen in england (i know some were not direct transfers but even so).

But aimar to barca or real? Doesn't seem like it would be out of the ordinary to me. In Spain, I think it is significant that the big 2 in particular haven't expressed an interest in aimar. Its not the 'be all and end all' or anything but it can't be dismissed.

I agree with you about your english examples obviously, but that wasn't what i was thinking. Ince playing for us and the scum is the only high profile one i can think of between 2 big english teams

yea point taken too matey.

But nearly all the transfers mainly the italian ones and the ince one, were not direct ie; we didnt get ince from the scum, he came via Inter.

Fair point (and i knew you would make it!!) about Figo, that was almost sacrilige what he did, but Et'oo never really played by Real - he played most of his career at Real Majorca, and when he was there he was co-owned by both Real and Majorca. But i see where you're coming though, but in terms of Aimar, i think its a little different because of the type of player he is - ie; a very different type of player that is extremely hard to replace - both in finding the player but also in funding the transfer fee. Others like a Davids or a Figo are top players (were i shud say!!) but can be replaced, an Aimar is slightly different in my opinion, and harder to replace.

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