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by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:11 pm

The Canadian Red Army wrote:
andy_g wrote:so you're argument is that we drop the technically inept alonso or gerrard to fit in aimar?

lol the mighty words of andy conquers all newbies

Blah blah yeah WHATEVER!

What trash.

by **andy_g** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:20 pm

Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:
The Canadian Red Army wrote:
andy_g wrote:so you're argument is that we drop the technically inept alonso or gerrard to fit in aimar?

lol the mighty words of andy conquers all newbies

Blah blah yeah WHATEVER!

What trash.

i agree. i never aim to put people down.

what i'm saying about our giftedness (?) is that midfield is the area where we're actually alright. gerrard, alonso and dare i say garcia are our most technically proficient players. gerrard and garcia may try to do too much at times but i'd never say they weren't as talented as the midfield of any team anywhere.

i really don't believe we need aimar, despite the fact he is an exceptional talent. i just think we may cause more problems trying to fit him in. i'm also wary of the veron factor - a magician of a footballer but bo||ocks in the premiership.

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:23 pm

john craig wrote:
Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:You could actually fit both players in the team because Pablo Aimar tends to be a playmaker, playing in the middle of the midfield, as a centre midfielder and attacking midfielder. Luis García could stick to the right, coming in to attack as he has done successfully before.

Aimar is a tremendous player and would make a HUGE difference to Liverpools attacking options.

His passing, skill, scoring ability, quick thinking and intelligence are 1st class, and much needed in Liverpool.

This current Liverpool team is in general, technically inept.

You mention we need aimar's scoring ability??? so we need 4 goals a season from a 2nd striker?? His scoring record is poor mate, see my previous post in the thread on this

And to say we are technically inept with alonso, gerrard and garcia in midfield shows a lack of knowledge. We lack width in our attack and aimar won't provide this, so he is not a priority signing.

Oh my GOODNESS!!

I can't believe this. If anyone has a lack of knowledge it's YOU!

As mentioned in the post above, I SAID IN GENERAL we are technically inept....

OH BIG DEAL you mentioned 3 players that are technically good, how about the other 20+ bloody players? MOST OF THEM :censored:

Of course we are technically inept in general.

We need to aspire to have a squad as technically gifted as Barcelona and Milan.

Yes we are the European Champions, but that doesn't mean we don't need to improve.

Anyone who has followed Aimar's career from River to Valencia, knows full well just what a great player he is, anyone who says otherwise, REALLY has no clue.

by **policy** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:48 pm

We need players who are high quality bargains, if that makes sense.

I don't see why we can't be stacked at each position with quality players that duplicate each other's skills.

The very demanding schedule this year as well as the specter of injuries that haunted us last year keep making me think that we have to spend a lot, but buy MANY quality players so that Rafa can rotate his players and keep them fresh.

This is going to be a very very very long slog of a year.

If Aimar is available for money that isn't too costly, he would be a very welcome addition.

by **PabloAimar** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:37 pm

john craig wrote:
PabloAimar wrote:how abt this.... watch him play.

Got me there Pablo, thats my argument well and truly shot out of the water. That does indeed prove beyond all doubt that we should buy him

i was talkin abt aimar, not jon stead... i cnt believe ppl are saying we dont want PABLO AIMAR becoz we have luis garcia! he is erratic and his stupidity is often costly. i think he's :censored:

to be honest.

u platinum, deluxe and 5-alive members of this board keep banging on about gerrard n alonso. we all know they're amazing but the reason we have done so :censored:

in the league this season is becoz they are 2 of the select few. we need more depth in our squad. we need to be able to bring on garcia to replace aimar after 70mins... not nunez to replace garcia.

by **joependo** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:37 pm

We need Aimar because he is a great player.Liverpool will also need him for backup or just first team.Like if we do get him the qf 1st round rafa will rest his good players and let Aimar just play to fit in to the team.Aimar also has good attacking abillity and we have not got that many atticking midfielders.So he will be good for that place.(I know we have garci aswell but just incase he gets injured)

by **JC_81** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:40 pm

Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:Oh my GOODNESS!!

I can't believe this. If anyone has a lack of knowledge it's YOU!

As mentioned in the post above, I SAID IN GENERAL we are technically inept....

OH BIG DEAL you mentioned 3 players that are technically good, how about the other 20+ bloody players? MOST OF THEM

Of course we are technically inept in general.

We need to aspire to have a squad as technically gifted as Barcelona and Milan.

Yes we are the European Champions, but that doesn't mean we don't need to improve.

Anyone who has followed Aimar's career from River to Valencia, knows full well just what a great player he is, anyone who says otherwise, REALLY has no clue.

The 'big deal' is that the 3 players i mention are the 3 players that Aimar would be competing with for a starting place

As for lack of knowledge, if you claim to have 'followed aimar's career from river plate to valencia', then you would also know that for all his undoubted talent, he severly lacks end product. Fantastically skilfull and a joy to watch, but a bit of a show-pony if you ask me.

There are loads of 'great players' around, but it doesn't mean they would all be a good buy for us. IMO, we don't need aimar just now

I suspect that rather than 'follow his career closely', you have simply jumped on the bandwagon of people who still regard him as world class, when the truth is that his form has dipped in the last 2 seasons. If he was as good as some people on here make out, then why haven't madrid or barca snapped him up?? Answer: Because he's not as good as most people on here make out

by **stapo1000** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:58 pm

stella wrote:Do we really need him, we have Garcia, a fit kewell

how do you know we have a fit kewell. we thought at the start of the last 2 seasons we had a fit kewell but we never had

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:18 pm

john craig wrote:
Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:Oh my GOODNESS!!

I can't believe this. If anyone has a lack of knowledge it's YOU!

As mentioned in the post above, I SAID IN GENERAL we are technically inept....

OH BIG DEAL you mentioned 3 players that are technically good, how about the other 20+ bloody players? MOST OF THEM

Of course we are technically inept in general.

We need to aspire to have a squad as technically gifted as Barcelona and Milan.

Yes we are the European Champions, but that doesn't mean we don't need to improve.

Anyone who has followed Aimar's career from River to Valencia, knows full well just what a great player he is, anyone who says otherwise, REALLY has no clue.

The 'big deal' is that the 3 players i mention are the 3 players that Aimar would be competing with for a starting place

As for lack of knowledge, if you claim to have 'followed aimar's career from river plate to valencia', then you would also know that for all his undoubted talent, he severly lacks end product. Fantastically skilfull and a joy to watch, but a bit of a show-pony if you ask me.

There are loads of 'great players' around, but it doesn't mean they would all be a good buy for us. IMO, we don't need aimar just now

I suspect that rather than 'follow his career closely', you have simply jumped on the bandwagon of people who still regard him as world class, when the truth is that his form has dipped in the last 2 seasons. If he was as good as some people on here make out, then why haven't madrid or barca snapped him up?? Answer: Because he's not as good as most people on here make out

eerrm, well thats the whole point !!

What do you want? just a good starting eleven? or do you want a good squad too, where players are seriously competing for places instead of average drifters warming up the bench picking up pay cheques?

By your logic, because Aimar would be a serious contender for a place in the midfield, we shouldn't sign him huh? errm right, so lets go and buy some rubbish player then....Not very forward thinking of you....

Do me a favour and don't jump to conclusions regarding me supposedly "jumping on the band waggon"....May I inform you that in our household weve had European satellite TV for almost 10 years, where some of the channels and feeds have broadcasted South American and Spanish football, this is how I have managed to watch not only Aimar, but many other awesome world football players closely.

It's ridiculous to say Aimar lacks end product because he certainly doesn't.

I do agree with you when you say he hasn't shown his best for 2 years....one of his best seasons in La Primera was in 2003 scoring 12 goals for Valencia, with tons of assists.

I think he simply needs a move to another club to bring that spark back, he is still very young at 25.

Just because a player has one or two bad seasons it doesn't mean he's finished, especially when he is young.

Aimar is no longer world class, but he sure was not long ago, and he could easily be back to his best with the right move and the right coach....At the right price it would be worth taking him on board.

Cheers!

by **JC_81** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:02 pm

Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:
john craig wrote:
Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:Oh my GOODNESS!!

I can't believe this. If anyone has a lack of knowledge it's YOU!

As mentioned in the post above, I SAID IN GENERAL we are technically inept....

OH BIG DEAL you mentioned 3 players that are technically good, how about the other 20+ bloody players? MOST OF THEM

Of course we are technically inept in general.

We need to aspire to have a squad as technically gifted as Barcelona and Milan.

Yes we are the European Champions, but that doesn't mean we don't need to improve.

Anyone who has followed Aimar's career from River to Valencia, knows full well just what a great player he is, anyone who says otherwise, REALLY has no clue.

The 'big deal' is that the 3 players i mention are the 3 players that Aimar would be competing with for a starting place

As for lack of knowledge, if you claim to have 'followed aimar's career from river plate to valencia', then you would also know that for all his undoubted talent, he severly lacks end product. Fantastically skilfull and a joy to watch, but a bit of a show-pony if you ask me.

There are loads of 'great players' around, but it doesn't mean they would all be a good buy for us. IMO, we don't need aimar just now

I suspect that rather than 'follow his career closely', you have simply jumped on the bandwagon of people who still regard him as world class, when the truth is that his form has dipped in the last 2 seasons. If he was as good as some people on here make out, then why haven't madrid or barca snapped him up?? Answer: Because he's not as good as most people on here make out

eerrm, well thats the whole point !!

What do you want? just a good starting eleven? or do you want a good squad too, where players are seriously competing for places instead of average drifters warming up the bench picking up pay cheques?

By your logic, because Aimar would be a serious contender for a place in the midfield, we shouldn't sign him huh? errm right, so lets go and buy some rubbish player then....Not very forward thinking of you....

Do me a favour and don't jump to conclusions regarding me supposedly "jumping on the band waggon"....May I inform you that in our household weve had European satellite TV for almost 10 years, where some of the channels and feeds have broadcasted South American and Spanish football, this is how I have managed to watch not only Aimar, but many other awesome world football players closely.

It's ridiculous to say Aimar lacks end product because he certainly doesn't.

I do agree with you when you say he hasn't shown his best for 2 years....one of his best seasons in La Primera was in 2003 scoring 12 goals for Valencia, with tons of assists.

I think he simply needs a move to another club to bring that spark back, he is still very young at 25.

Just because a player has one or two bad seasons it doesn't mean he's finished, especially when he is young.

Aimar is no longer world class, but he sure was not long ago, and he could easily be back to his best with the right move and the right coach....At the right price it would be worth taking him on board.

Cheers!

Well i think we'll have to agree to disagree on this then!!

I agree we need squad depth, but we are not chelsea and don't have unlimited resources, so we need to spend on our weakest positions. I feel that centre mid is our strongest position so i don't think aimar should be a priority. If he became available for a couple of mil and wanted to sign then thats a different story.

Fact is he would cost 8-10mil at least, not good business IMO

cheers for the argument though :buttrock

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:37 pm

john craig wrote:
Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:
john craig wrote:
Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:Oh my GOODNESS!!

I can't believe this. If anyone has a lack of knowledge it's YOU!

As mentioned in the post above, I SAID IN GENERAL we are technically inept....

OH BIG DEAL you mentioned 3 players that are technically good, how about the other 20+ bloody players? MOST OF THEM

Of course we are technically inept in general.

We need to aspire to have a squad as technically gifted as Barcelona and Milan.

Yes we are the European Champions, but that doesn't mean we don't need to improve.

Anyone who has followed Aimar's career from River to Valencia, knows full well just what a great player he is, anyone who says otherwise, REALLY has no clue.

The 'big deal' is that the 3 players i mention are the 3 players that Aimar would be competing with for a starting place

As for lack of knowledge, if you claim to have 'followed aimar's career from river plate to valencia', then you would also know that for all his undoubted talent, he severly lacks end product. Fantastically skilfull and a joy to watch, but a bit of a show-pony if you ask me.

There are loads of 'great players' around, but it doesn't mean they would all be a good buy for us. IMO, we don't need aimar just now

I suspect that rather than 'follow his career closely', you have simply jumped on the bandwagon of people who still regard him as world class, when the truth is that his form has dipped in the last 2 seasons. If he was as good as some people on here make out, then why haven't madrid or barca snapped him up?? Answer: Because he's not as good as most people on here make out

eerrm, well thats the whole point !!

What do you want? just a good starting eleven? or do you want a good squad too, where players are seriously competing for places instead of average drifters warming up the bench picking up pay cheques?

By your logic, because Aimar would be a serious contender for a place in the midfield, we shouldn't sign him huh? errm right, so lets go and buy some rubbish player then....Not very forward thinking of you....

Do me a favour and don't jump to conclusions regarding me supposedly "jumping on the band waggon"....May I inform you that in our household weve had European satellite TV for almost 10 years, where some of the channels and feeds have broadcasted South American and Spanish football, this is how I have managed to watch not only Aimar, but many other awesome world football players closely.

It's ridiculous to say Aimar lacks end product because he certainly doesn't.

I do agree with you when you say he hasn't shown his best for 2 years....one of his best seasons in La Primera was in 2003 scoring 12 goals for Valencia, with tons of assists.

I think he simply needs a move to another club to bring that spark back, he is still very young at 25.

Just because a player has one or two bad seasons it doesn't mean he's finished, especially when he is young.

Aimar is no longer world class, but he sure was not long ago, and he could easily be back to his best with the right move and the right coach....At the right price it would be worth taking him on board.

Cheers!

Well i think we'll have to agree to disagree on this then!!

I agree we need squad depth, but we are not chelsea and don't have unlimited resources, so we need to spend on our weakest positions. I feel that centre mid is our strongest position so i don't think aimar should be a priority. If he became available for a couple of mil and wanted to sign then thats a different story.

Fact is he would cost 8-10mil at least, not good business IMO

cheers for the argument though

Cool,

Cheers for the argument too

You know I won though :laugh:

Just kidding

Cheers!

by **The Canadian Red Army** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:11 pm

Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:
The Canadian Red Army wrote:
andy_g wrote:so you're argument is that we drop the technically inept alonso or gerrard to fit in aimar?

lol the mighty words of andy conquers all newbies

Blah blah yeah WHATEVER!

What trash.

it was a joke people

by **Paul C** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:34 pm

Yeah ok Aimar didn't have a great season this year but he has had a hard time at Valencia with the change in coaching staff, etc, but I think working with Rafa again and with a new challenge I think we'd see a revitalised Pablo Aimar

by **76-1115222408** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:10 am

john craig wrote:
LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:
john craig wrote:And again, do we really need him when we've got garcia?? I think garcia is just as good

I agree with most that you have said but IMHO, Garcia is nowhere near as good as Aimar.
Also i think bringing in Aimar (though unlikely!) would benefit the SQUAD greatly with another CLASS player.
But i personally feel that as we get more and more players coming over the next few seasons, i can see Garcia being phased out and being more of a regular sub than a regular starter.
I really think that Rafa bought him almost (i repeat...ALMOST!!) as a stop gap, firstly as Rafa came in so late last season and didnt have much time to get the players he really wanted (apart from Xabi and Josemi(who isnt that good really, a squad player at best!) but secondly that he KNEW he would be able to get him as Barcelona had such a strong squad at the beginning of last season, and his chances of playing were slim to none.

I hear what you're saying mate, but to me, Garcia has a lot more end product than Aimar does. Here are Aimar's stats from last season:

Games : 31
Goals : 4

And compare them to Garcia's...

Games: 44
Goals: 13

Ok so this doesn't take into account assists or other aspects of all-round play, but if Aimar was to be the 2nd striker, he'd need to chip in more than 4 goals a season. In fact, in Aimar's whole career he has never scored as many in a season as Garcia did last season. Take into account that garcia started a lot of games out wide as well. And also look at the significance of his goals. He scored a lot of important goals in big games such as v juve and chelsea.

Also take into account that this was garcia's first season in english football and he got better as the year went on. So how good will he be next season?

You say we need squad depth and i agree. But rafa is likely to keep kewell another year who can deputise as 2nd striker (even if i have lost faith in kewell myself). And who is to say we won't start a lot of games with 2 up front, especially in the league. We won't even need 1 2nd striker for that let alone 2.

There are other positions we need strengthening before we fritter away our cash on aimar. We need a keeper, at least one good winger, a quick centre back and another striker as a minimum. Maybe more depending on who goes

Right finally back.........

I hear what you are saying too regarding Aimar's scoring record, but i am advocating the buy not based on his scoring abilities, if u know aimair, then you know he is a playmaker, whereas garcia is an attacking midfielder or versatile striker (if needed, not a natural position IMO), and it is the CREATING of goals that Aimar specialises in. BTW i did look for his assist stats but couldnt find any (not surprising as GOALS/APPS are the most important to MOST people!)

Here are Aimars career scoring stats (club football):

Season Club Country Level Apps Goals
2004-05 Valencia ESP A 31 4
2003-04 Valencia ESP A 25 4
2002-03 Valencia 31 8
2001-02 Valencia 33 4
2000-01 Valencia 10 2
2000-01 River 16 2
1999-00 River 30 12
1998-99 River 21 3
1997-98 River 15 4
1996-97 River 0 0

So Aimar, has never AND will NEVER be a 'GOALSCORER'.

Again i agree that there are more important positions (wingers especially!!) that need sorting out, but i dont understand peoples idea that because we have Garcia that is ENOUGH.Well for me IT IS NOT enough, we need strength in numbers, but also in quality.

Personally i think this sort of buy (again i dont REALLY think it will happen anyway, but its been a good convo nonetheless) will further enhance the team in a less noticed way. This would be that players would KNOW that they need to be at their best AT ALL TIMES as there will be a player with just as much (if not more) quality waiting in the wings to snap up his position, and this can only benefit the squad and club as a whole. The players being kept on their toes, unable to rest on their laurels.

I really dont see why people wouldnt want more quality throughout the team, so what if we have players in a said position, look at the catastrophic injuries we had last season.

If we have and had quality just instead of numbers, we will be/would have been (-league!! ie; not 5th) a lot better off.

Just to add that i agree with just about everything that Liverpool 4 Eva says, so as not to repeat and make the topic boring :idea

by **matrix** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:41 am

aimar will be great for liverpool, how can you say he never scored many goals, lets be honest valencia have been a shambles since rafa left, and when a player says to the spanish media he is ready to join liverpool lets just say it looks likely he will be coming, and its not a matter of how can everyone play in midfield, rafa will play a rotation system next season, and the squad wont fall short like last season. ps trust the man that won us the champions league.

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