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Postby kazza » Mon May 26, 2025 12:00 pm

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I’m breaking my silence for this one tweet because there’s far too much misinformation circulating around Florian Wirtz, and it’s creating a wave of false hope within the Bayern fanbase that simply doesn’t reflect the reality behind the scenes.
Florian Wirtz will not be joining Bayern Munich, and there is no version of events where this transfer happens anymore.
That is the clear information coming from those directly involved, and it has been internally accepted at the club for quite some time now.
I’m not here to gain anything from this, and everyone is free to believe what they want, but the information I’ve shared over the past week has consistently been confirmed piece by piece, including the internal dispute between Hans Wirtz and the Bayern board, as well as the strategic PR campaign that followed, carried out by the usual Bayern-aligned reporters who essentially confirmed everything in their softened language to protect the club’s image.
From the beginning, Hans Wirtz was in contact with Bayern officials, particularly Uli Hoeneß, and while there was a mutual agreement on contractual terms in the event Florian would decide to join, it was never an exclusive commitment. The family had made it clear they would listen to offers from other top clubs before making a final decision, yet Bayern ignored this and prematurely pushed out a narrative through their media allies suggesting that Wirtz had already chosen Munich and would only consider them. That attempt to pressure Leverkusen into lowering the transfer fee was not only transparent but deeply disrespectful, and it severely damaged the relationship with the Wirtz family.
What followed were direct talks with Manchester City and Liverpool. Pep Guardiola had been personally pushing for months, and while City remained genuinely interested, the combination of high financial demands and Florian’s lingering indecisiveness ultimately led them to step back from the deal.
Liverpool, on the other hand, increased their efforts and left a far stronger impression on Florian and his family. Arne Slot’s tactical presentation, the club’s vision, and the personal approach taken during discussions made a clear impact.
In comparison, Vincent Kompany’s plan came across as underwhelming and failed to convince Wirtz that Bayern could offer him the right role from a tactical perspective, which only reinforced his decision to turn away from Bayern‘s project.
The choice not to join Bayern has already been formally communicated to the board.
The reason it hasn’t been made public yet is due to Bayern’s ongoing efforts to manage the narrative and prepare a controlled PR rollout that helps soften the blow. That explains the unusually tense and visibly frustrated tone of Uli Hoeneß in his recent interview, where he subtly acknowledged Liverpool’s involvement.
Out of respect for Bayern’s long-standing interest, the Wirtz family agreed to hold off on announcing Florian’s decision for a few more days, despite being deeply dissatisfied with the tactics used by Bayern in recent weeks. The respect is still there, but the trust has been broken.
There was also brief internal consideration from Real Madrid, but that has now faded. They neither have the current need for Wirtz’s profile nor the financial and strategic bandwidth to move quickly, while Florian has made it clear he wants clarity about his future and intends to finalize everything within a tight timeframe.
It’s also worth mentioning that Bayern had quietly been working on a potential signing of Juliane Wirtz, Florian’s sister, from Werder Bremen for their women’s team. That move was intended to help him settle more comfortably in Munich. Negotiations with Bremen were already advanced, and contract details had been worked out, but that idea has now been completely shelved.
The cancellation of that plan is yet another clear indicator that Bayern themselves know the transfer for Florian has collapsed.
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Postby devaney » Mon May 26, 2025 1:48 pm

Thanks for posting Kazza. Let’s just hope it’s true and Liverpool can get the deal over the line.
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Postby damjan193 » Mon May 26, 2025 2:15 pm

My fear with paying so much for Wirtz (both transfer fee and wages that reportedly could be near to Salah's and Virgil's) is that in the Bundesliga even Kai Havertz had similar stats to him back when he was at Leverkusen. Although Havertz has slightly improved at Arsenal, for Chelsea he was a huge flop. One of our own biggest flops Naby Keita had 3 or 4 goal involvements less than what Wirtz has now and he was a midfielder. The Premier League is just on a different level to any other league, the level of difficulty is much higher. Look at Scott McTominay who was a very average player for Man United but now for Napoli in Seria A he's playing like prime De Bruyne, think he even won player of the season over there too.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 26, 2025 6:23 pm

damjan193 » Mon May 26, 2025 1:15 pm wrote:My fear with paying so much for Wirtz (both transfer fee and wages that reportedly could be near to Salah's and Virgil's) is that in the Bundesliga even Kai Havertz had similar stats to him back when he was at Leverkusen. Although Havertz has slightly improved at Arsenal, for Chelsea he was a huge flop. One of our own biggest flops Naby Keita had 3 or 4 goal involvements less than what Wirtz has now and he was a midfielder. The Premier League is just on a different level to any other league, the level of difficulty is much higher. Look at Scott McTominay who was a very average player for Man United but now for Napoli in Seria A he's playing like prime De Bruyne, think he even won player of the season over there too.


You're right to flag this up mate and i know it's not a large sample size in fact it's just one game but there's a video on youtube which shows every touch Wirtz had against us when we played Leverkusen in the CL. Although we won the game comfortably he had a good game, he repeatedly broke our lines threading balls right through our midfield and even put a couple of his team mates through on goal. As i said not a very large sample size but he didnt seem phased by the prospect of playing against a premier league team.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 27, 2025 8:54 am

Truly horrific incident in Water Street, it's an absolute miracle that no one was killed, fingers crossed nothing changes in that regard throughout the day, please god one succumbs to their injuries or anything like that.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Tue May 27, 2025 7:39 pm

Awful scenes, a miracle no one was killed.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 28, 2025 9:54 am

Fair due's to Arne i think he's read the room perfectly by choosing not to turn up and recieve his LMA and Premier League Manager of the year awards. He clearly doesnt feel comfortable attending a plush awards ceremony whilst people still languish in hospital. Get's a lot right this fella
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Postby kazza » Wed May 28, 2025 11:19 am

Sadly our first Prem title was in Covid times and we really couldn’t celebrate, then this one gets ruined by a psycho driving his car into a crowd. Both tarnished but in different ways. The team and Slot deserve to celebrate and get recognized for their fantastic achievement but with all the injuries it would seem inconsiderate.
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Postby kazza » Wed May 28, 2025 11:26 am

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 28, 2025 8:54 am wrote:Fair due's to Arne i think he's read the room perfectly by choosing not to turn up and recieve his LMA and Premier League Manager of the year awards. He clearly doesnt feel comfortable attending a plush awards ceremony whilst people still languish in hospital. Get's a lot right this fella

He does seem to get things right. Even at Anfield the players called him over to lift the trophy as he was at the side and he came, lifted it and went back to allow the players to continue to celebrate. If that was Maureen (or Arteta I’d bet) he’d be front and center pointing at himself to show it was all about him. I think the owners found a gem in Arne, a gem that doesn’t come around every day. Confident, humble and calm  :buttrock
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Postby kazza » Wed May 28, 2025 2:18 pm

It’s looking like Frimpong, Kerkez and Wirtz look close. If the rumors are true about us going after Ekitikeas (I would imagine Nunez is off) well then we would certainly become much stronger next year. I hope we get them all over the line, this would give us an era as these players are good and young. You’d imagine they need to get a CH as well and not many rumours linking with one.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 28, 2025 7:09 pm

This could be our starting XI next season -
                                             

                                                ALISSON

                         FRIMPONG     IBOU   VVD       KERKEZ

                                           GRAVENBERCH

                           MACALLISTER                  SLOBO

                     SALAH                                             LUIS DIAZ

                                                 WIRTZ


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