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ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:52 am wrote:Apparently United are favourites to sign Sanchez.
So far we have signed Lambert and Can, 2 good solid signings but nothing earth shattering, if we finished 7th instead of 2nd we'd still be in for players like that so no sign of us significantly raising our sights just yet, hopefully we will make a bit of a statement with our next buy.

Apparently, Barca value Sanchez at 20 million while we are willing to offer them Agger + 10 million. I personally value Agger at 15 million but considering that it is us who are offering Agger to them while they haven't shown any particular interest in him (not in this transfer window at least), I'd say that that's a reasonable offer for both sides. I can't see him choosing United over us to be honest.

United may be without CL footy but they do have the ability to throw big £££££'s at players, they will attract marquee names by taking a leaf out of the petro-dollar clubs books and stuff their pockets full of cash.
Obviously United can't keep doing that every summer so there is a bit of pressure on them to get it right.

[/quote]I actually don't think you understand what the term "create" means?

Assists (last season)

Gerrard 13
Suarez 12
Lambert 10
Sturridge 7
Coutinho 7
Sterling 5

If we added Sanchez into the mix.....

Sanchez 15

That would be far and away the most potent "creative" line-up in WORLD FOOTBALL!

You don't need to "hold the ball up" in midfield and put "a killer pass through" to be considered "creative".

Agree with Stu, a very daft thing to say.......

As for needing another holding type player, isn't that what we bought Can in for?[/quote]

When we meet the Chelsea's of the world in growing numbers next year you will understand what it means the lack of MF creativity. (The Silvas ,iniestas of the world). But yes let bring more strikers that makes perfect sense...

We lost the game against Chelsea because we were bereft of attacking options on our bench, so much so that we relied on players like Iago fking Spasas to "change the game" for us. Players like Sanchez, Shaquiri, etc would have made a world of difference in that game and against your so called "Chelseas of the world".

As for your MF creativity quote, I still don't understand what you are going on about? It sounds like you are naming random players.   Silva is not a holding player, he plays as an attacking midfielder? Iniesta on the other hand has been one of the best central midfielders for the last decade, to a degree most regard him as the "complete footballer". These players are very, very hard to acquire. In fact I can name only a handful from the last 10-20 years. Barcelona and Spain's game has revolved around him and Xavi to great effect, because of this. Whereas our tactics last season did not revolve around our central midfielders (like it did  5-6 years ago). Why would they when we have Lucas, Allen, Henderson and an aging Gerrard?

Going back to you original statement, as you are going off in tangents now, you don't necessarily need to play a "killer ball" to be considered "creative". As you don't necessarily need an Iniesta or Pirlo in your side to unlock a stubborn defense as that's just a certain playing style that has both its pros and cons.

eds » Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:59 pm wrote:We lost the game against Chelsea because we were bereft of attacking options on our bench, so much so that we relied on players like Iago fking Spasas to "change the game" for us. Players like Sanchez, Shaquiri, etc would have made a world of difference in that game and against your so called "Chelseas of the world".

As for your MF creativity quote, I still don't understand what you are going on about? It sounds like you are naming random players.   Silva is not a holding player, he plays as an attacking midfielder? Iniesta on the other hand has been one of the best central midfielders for the last decade, to a degree most regard him as the "complete footballer". These players are very, very hard to acquire. In fact I can name only a handful from the last 10-20 years. Barcelona and Spain's game has revolved around him and Xavi to great effect, because of this. Whereas our tactics last season did not revolve around our central midfielders (like it did  5-6 years ago). Why would they when we have Lucas, Allen, Henderson and an aging Gerrard?

Going back to you original statement, as you are going off in tangents now, you don't necessarily need to play a "killer ball" to be considered "creative". As you don't necessarily need an Iniesta or Pirlo in your side to unlock a stubborn defense as that's just a certain playing style that has both its pros and cons.

I'm talking of the need for an attacking MF....But if you feel we are fully equipped then ok ,i disagree...I'm indeed looking for those handful of Pirlo's,Iniesta and Xavi's i feel they could upgrade our arsenal of weapons and options substantially.

You're a complete and utter moron. One team managed to stifle us, that side done it to city, the same side and manager who is known for doing that and is probably the best manager ever in this particular area... And you use that as your example as to why we need a player as rare as rocking horse Sh*t in the midfield to improve? You're a joke mate. Quite simply joke. Your opinion is pathetic, clueless and moronic. To even suggest we lack creatively is so mind blowingly stupid its actually beyond belief.

What's even better... Is you think its this that cost us the league when the likes of skrtel, Johnson and mignolet are in the first team and we let in fifty league goals.

Our midfield isn't the best in the league, but its up there and it certainly contributed positively to our season.

Stu the Red » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:38 am wrote:You're a complete and utter moron. One team managed to stifle us, that side done it to city, the same side and manager who is known for doing that and is probably the best manager ever in this particular area... And you use that as your example as to why we need a player as rare as rocking horse Sh*t in the midfield to improve? You're a joke mate. Quite simply joke. Your opinion is pathetic, clueless and moronic. To even suggest we lack creatively is so mind blowingly stupid its actually beyond belief.

What's even better... Is you think its this that cost us the league when the likes of skrtel, Johnson and mignolet are in the first team and we let in fifty league goals.

Our midfield isn't the best in the league, but its up there and it certainly contributed positively to our season.

In your case i hope my comments are mind blowing...Good luck picking up the small pieces ,you childish self centered fck.
I never suggested it cost us the league and it's not our top priority signing but stick to the subject ,it's a type of player we need. (other then Coutinho who do we have which dribble and pass in the MF??).
If our MF could improve (like you admit) then what the fck are you on about???

Clueless mate. Absolutely clueless.

Gerrard cant pass? Any other pearls of wisdom for us? Have you ever actually played football? Balance it massively important in a winning side. Luckily, thats what our midfield and attack have at present balance and quality.

And you know what, they can all create as well ;-)

Stu the Red » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:54 am wrote::laugh:

Clueless mate. Absolutely clueless.

Gerrard cant pass? Any other pearls of wisdom for us? Have you ever actually played football? Balance it massively important in a winning side. Luckily, thats what our midfield and attack have at present balance and quality.

And you know what, they can all create as well ;-)

Man you can't read can you??? Where did i say Gerrard can't pass??? Are you on drugs lad?? I wrote we don't have a player which can dribble and pass in the MF other then Coutinho!!
And what the is the relevance if i played football or not ,it's as if you just retired from Fcking Bayern Munich. We have Allen ,Hendo and Lucas which are had workers but don't carry the talent to pass their defender and release the smart pass ,we have Gerrard in a more deeper role relying on accurate long distance passes ,that's it. Yes it works great ,is it enough ,Nope.

Now you can get back playing Fifa 2020 or whatever fanatsy football you work in.

You're contradicting everything you say... Is it enough for what? To win us a league? Easily yes. How you can say no is ducking ridiculous and is the season you're a moron.

Had our defence been anything like upto standard we could have won the league scoring ten goals less with great ease easily.

Part of having a better defence maybe a player like scholes or xavi but unfortunately those players are rare. Do we need this type of player? No, would it be nice, of course.

Your opinions are idiotic. Our priorities do not lie in tim midfield. They lie in the wide forward area, defence and in goal. End of arguement.

Stu the Red » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:28 pm wrote:You're contradicting everything you say... Is it enough for what? To win us a league? Easily yes. How you can say no is ducking ridiculous and is the season you're a moron.

Had our defence been anything like upto standard we could have won the league scoring ten goals less with great ease easily.

Part of having a better defence maybe a player like scholes or xavi but unfortunately those players are rare. Do we need this type of player? No, would it be nice, of course.

Your opinions are idiotic. Our priorities do not lie in tim midfield. They lie in the wide forward area, defence and in goal. End of arguement.

You are hopeless illiterate buffoon (and English isn't even my first language) and the narcissistic kind to get things worst.

A. Our defense is indeed our first priority - never said otherwise
B. Our defensive MF is 2nd (AKA Lucas)
C. Our central attacking MF is 3rd.
D. You can't understand jack shiite.

@ Stu and Only Me

This is the Rumour thread and you lads are well off topic.

Please move your "conversation" elsewhere within the forum because right now the pair of you are derailing the point of this one.

Maybe both of you should re-read the "Thread Derailment" notice

Stu the Red » Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:36 pm wrote:

LFC1990 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:31 pm wrote:Defence is poor and i mean very poor however I think with Henderson in the side it gives us the protection that he will not let anything go. The game against chelsea we wouldnt have lost if we had Hendo playing we would have beaten Palace with him in there as well.

If everyone was to write down our strongest 11 I can guarantee that those 11 was not in the same side for one match last year due to injuries suspensions etc.

We do need a new RB and arguably a CB but im sorry Mig saved us more points than he cost us last year

Boll0cks.... again. Mignolet is a liability, as is Skrtel, as is Johnson.

Our best 11 at present.

Reina

Flanagan
Agger
Sahko
Enrique

Gerrard
Henderson
Coutinho

Sterling
Suarez
Sturridge

Don't think anyone would argue with that. You may get the occasional odd ball who'd put Skrtel in there, apart from that I think the rest pick themselves and pick themselves with great ease.

Sorry which bit was Bolloc ks ?

Replace Mig for reina and iad agree on your line up

woof woof ! » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:01 pm wrote:@ Stu and Only Me

This is the Rumour thread and you lads are well off topic.

Please move your "conversation" elsewhere within the forum because right now the pair of you are derailing the point of this one.

Maybe both of you should re-read the "Thread Derailment" notice

Jobsworth 

f*ck off

Someone has to do it and you're not qualified, even for Sh*t shovelling



Meanwhile let's try and get this thread back on track

i.e. Rumours regarding LFC