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Doesn't the fact it's a world cup year have something to play?

Can't see Suarez being half arsed when his starting place in the national team is up for debate.

Uruguay will still pick him regardless I believe ( if they qualify and currently they are struggling ). In fact he might go into the WC fresh if he doesn't play as much. But if Suarez is injury free he is pretty much a guarantee in the Uruguay team

Carra has spoken on it:

Jamie Carragher: Time to get tough with unacceptable Luis Suarez
Jamie Carragher says Luis Suarez's behaviour is unacceptable and Brendan Rodgers is right to lay down the law with his problem striker.

Sky Sports understands that the Uruguayan, a subject of two failed bids from Arsenal, has been told to train on his own away from the first team after going public with claims that the club agreed to let him leave this summer.

Carragher visited the club's Melwood training ground last week and sensed that Suarez, who is banned for the first six game of the season, was not showing an acceptable level of commitment.

And he backed the idea that Rodgers should jettison his star player until he improves his attitude.

Carragher told Sky Sports News: "I know Luis and I've played with him in the last couple of years and he's a warrior. He's a fighter on the pitch and every day in training. He never misses a session.

"I went in to Friday training before Stevie's testimonial and that wasn't the Luis Suarez I knew. I think it's right for Brendan Rodgers to take him out of the group because no one player is bigger than the team or the squad.

"He's not going to be playing because he's banned, so Liverpool need to concentrate on getting it right for the first game of the season against Stoke.

"If Suarez is a distraction for everyone then he needs to be taken out of the group."

Accept

Carragher, who will be a pundit on Sky Sports this season, played alongside Suarez for the last two years and says Liverpool can't afford to sell him to Arsenal.

He says Rodgers cannot let his top striker join a top-four rival and admits he'd have a few harsh words for his former team-mate if he was still in the dressing room.

"Sort yourself. You can't have that and can't accept that," he added.

"There's ways and means of going about it. Players get transferred all the time and you can't always have what you want.

"Liverpool Football Club have got to protect themselves as well. Arsenal are a big rival for a top-four place and maybe if he wanted to go somewhere else it wouldn't be such a big issue and maybe Liverpool would sanction a deal.

"Nobody wants unhappy players at the training ground or on the pitch playing. It affects other people.

"But it's very difficult for Liverpool, like the Wayne Rooney situation with Manchester United and Chelsea. They're direct rivals and that's the big deal. That's the problem."

Carry on

Carragher also says Suarez's public statements have damaged his reputation and may put off potential suitors.

He added: "He can't carry on the way he's been carrying on. Brendan Rodgers has come out and said that nobody is bigger than the club and that's exactly right.

"There will be agents and probably people at Arsenal talking to him, but he's a grown man. He's not a kid, he's got a family and he needs to make his own decisions and what's right for him.

"It's also how he's coming across as a person to the Liverpool public and the country in general.

"Of course Arsenal want to get the player, but sometimes you've got to remember how people are seeing the situation and how people are looking at you."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... uis-suarez

Benny The Noon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:07 pm wrote:Uruguay will still pick him regardless I believe ( if they qualify and currently they are struggling ). In fact he might go into the WC fresh if he doesn't play as much. But if Suarez is injury free he is pretty much a guarantee in the Uruguay team

As moronic as Suarez is, I don't think he'd take the chance.

Well he's already done a 180 hasn't he? I'm waiting for the 360.

If they were blessed with a multitude of World Class players to pick from then you're prob right it wouldn't be worth the risk - but he knows his standing in the country and within the team, he will be there, no doubt about that.

RedAnt » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:10 pm wrote:Well he's already done a 180 hasn't he? I'm waiting for the 360.

Depends on what is your starting point I guess

Currently he wants to leave - if you go from now then a 180 would be wanting to stay

Carraghers words reiterate the point don't they? He can sulk in the reserves until he understand. Don't think if a master genius trying to do us over Benny, think more the class clown sent to wait in the hall until he behaves.

Benny The Noon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:13 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:10 pm wrote:Well he's already done a 180 hasn't he? I'm waiting for the 360.

Depends on what is your starting point I guess

Currently he wants to leave - if you go from now then a 180 would be wanting to stay

The starting point is of course when he wanted to play for us

RedAnt » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:15 pm wrote:Carraghers words reiterate the point don't they? He can sulk in the reserves until he understand. Don't think if a master genius trying to do us over Benny, think more the class clown sent to wait in the hall until he behaves.

But what if he already " understands" and will continue to want to leave ? 

Is he really just a school kid who needs to behave ?

Or does he know exactly what he is doing and will continue to try and force the issue. Suarez wants to leave to take a step up - we have issued strong words to him and forced him to train on his own and he may get a fine etc but I don't think it will really matter to him because he has always just seemed focused in what he wanted - at Groningen trying to get to Ajax and then at Ajax trying to get to us - he was determined to leave and kept pushing. What if he keeps pushing with us ? Do we keep slapping him down and fighting against him ( as we are doing now ) - will that be a good situation for us ?

It's why I think there is still some mileage in the situation to travel yet - as string as Henry's words were I have never once thought that was the end of it. Waiting for the next move from Suarez.

Former Liverpool chief says confusion over clause has blocked move

Liverpool's former managing director Christian Purslow believes Luis Suarez’s agent is to blame for the striker’s failure to secure a move to Arsenal.

The club’s owner John W Henry insisted today that Suarez is not for sale as the 26-year-old striker was made to train with the reserves.

As Standard Sport reported on Wednesday, the Gunners believed their £40,000,001 offer would activate a release clause but the Professional Footballers’ Association have since backed Liverpool’s interpretation of that bid as merely a starting point for negotiation.

Purslow, who helped facilitate  Fenway Sports Group’s purchase of Liverpool two years ago, said: “What’s unusual about this case is there seems to be significant confusion between the player and the club as to whether he did or didn’t have such an escape clause. Yesterday it became clear that he did not have a clause, so I suspect he’s pretty unhappy with his agent who got that wrong a year ago.

“I also suspect Arsenal are unhappy because they’re a club who do their business extremely properly and professionally and they will have been made aware by intermediaries acting for the player that he thought such a clause existed.

“They will have done the right thing which is make a written offer to Liverpool. They may have spent a lot of time thinking if they were to make an offer at that level they would be securing a player. This is not something one does on a whim. I suspect Arsenal have been planning Luis Suarez as their main signing for some time and to discover such a clause is not valid and doesn’t work runs the risk of seriously wasting their time as well.”

Suarez could yet ask the Premier League to formally adjudicate on the situation and in an interview earlier this week he threatened to submit a written transfer request should he not be granted a move to a Champions League club.

The Uruguayan, whose agent is Pere Guardiola - brother of Bayern Munich manager Pep - was this week branded 'disrespectful' by Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers.

Henry, meanwhile, today told Suarez’s suitors to forget about signing him, although he made a similar claim regarding Fernando Torres three months before selling him to Chelsea in 2010.

“He won’t be sold even if a foreign club come in because we do not have time to sign a suitable replacement,” he said.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... 54032.html

Luis Suárez bides his time in face of Liverpool's hard line
• Striker had intended to lodge transfer request this week
• Uruguayan will not apologise over alleged 'disrespect'


Luis Suárez is trying to move to Arsenal after the London club offered one pound over £40m for the Liverpool striker. Photograph: Miguel Rojo/AFP/Getty Images
Sid Lowe


Luis Suárez will not hand in a transfer request yet in the wake of Liverpool's hard-line stance over his future. The Uruguayan striker had originally planned to do so before the end of this week if the Anfield club did not allow him to move to Arsenal. But Suárez's camp believe his position was made sufficiently clear in an interview with The Guardian and that there is no need to make a formal transfer request at the moment.

Liverpool's owner, John W Henry, angrily insisted after the interview that Suárez would not be leaving Liverpool to join any club, at any fee, despite the striker insisting he wanted to depart in order to play Champions League football. Brendan Rodgers, the manager, accused Suárez of disrespecting the club and lying. Rodgers has forced Suárez to train with the youth team until he makes an apology, although how much impact that has is open to question as Suárez is injured, about to depart on international duty and has six games of his ban to serve.

Suárez has no intention of apologising. He made it clear in the interview that he believes that the club and manager have broken a promise; the coach's latest remarks can only have added to that sensation. In his opinion, it is Rodgers who has lied and reneged on a deal.

If the club's American owner sticks to his word, he risks missing out on a substantial transfer fee and having an unhappy player in the squad. But if Suárez is ultimately forced to stay, he will not refuse to play. Right now, he believes that there is little more than he can, or should, do: he has made his position clear and Henry's public insistence that he will not sell makes a formal request pointless.

Any potential transfer now depends on the clubs, not the player. Suárez's decision to speak out was motivated less by strategy than by frustration.

Suárez's camp believe that a clause in his contract allows him to depart for any bid over £40m and Arsenal acted to trigger than clause by offering £40,000,0001. That is the only offer Liverpool have received and no other major club has expressed a serious interest in the striker. Liverpool dispute that the clause allows Suárez to leave for that fee and contend it merely opens negotiations.

The PFA president, Gordon Taylor, admitted the clause in Suarez's contract is not watertight. He also admitted there was a "good faith" clause but that it too was not legally binding. The very existence of a clause shows that Liverpool and Suárez had discussed a possible departure in the event of the club not making it into the Champions League. The dispute is over the size of the transfer fee. Suárez made his position clear to Liverpool; he has now made his position clear publicly too.

The 26-year-old was not included in the Liverpool squad that flew to Dublin on Friday for the club's final pre-season friendly against Celtic. He missed the win over Valerenga in Oslo in midweek with a slight foot injury suffered during Steven Gerrard's testimonial but was unlikely to appear in Dublin anyway as Rodgers prepares for next weekend's Premier League opener against Stoke City.

Whatever happens with Suarez I think the club have handled this well so far.

Nice to hear John Henry chip in which was very timely, and Rodgers has been terrific with the media and
I doubt anyone could have stood up to this any better.

Its been a hella summer for Rodgers with all this along with sweeping changes to the squad to sort out.

I have been critical of the owners in the past but cannot fault them here, and I sense that after big mistakes
they have come of age and are established, and now understand how to run a football club.

I applaud Henry's stance ,and I think his retort  has sent out the resounding message to all the cherry pickers ,that the reds currently do
not possess a soft underbelly .....Nor, are ever likely to in the near future.

Wenger: Henry can say what he wants –
I still hope to sign Suarez (but we'll give Liverpool the respect they deserve)


By Chris Wheeler

PUBLISHED: 17:20 GMT, 9 August 2013  | UPDATED: 19:20 GMT, 9 August 2013 

Arsene Wenger insists he has not given up hope of signing Luis Suarez despite Liverpool owner John Henry categorically ruling out the possibility of selling his star striker to Arsenal.

The Gunners have failed with a bid of £40million and one pound for Suarez – who has been forced to train on his own in recent days – with Liverpool adamant that it has not triggered a release clause in his contract.

Wenger faced questions about the issue when Arsenal landed in Helsinki this afternoon ahead of Saturday’s pre-season friendly against Manchester City.

Asked if Henry’s statement will make him abandon his pursuit of Suarez, the Arsenal boss said: ‘No because we are in the middle of the transfer period and we are looking at possibilities to strengthen our squad.

‘I didn’t read his statements but that’s how it will work or not work. We’ll be faithful to the way we want to behave.

‘I’ve nothing to add to what I said already about the transfer of Suarez. If it will be done, it will be done in a respectful way with Liverpool.

‘To make a transfer happen you need the agreement of three parties – the buyer, the seller and the player. We know we want to do.

‘Liverpool at the moment do not agree. Whether they change their mind or not we don’t know. We’ll respect that.

‘Suarez is one of the targets. If he’s not for sale, he’s not for sale we have to accept that.’

Suarez has publicly called on Liverpool to let him leave so he can play Champions League football this season, bringing an angry response from manager Brendan Rodgers.

Asked if it was feasible for Liverpool to keep a player who is so clearly unhappy at Anfield, Wenger added: ‘That’s not for me to asses that. I don’t know the relations between the player and the club.

‘Every situation is different. I was in that situation with Robin van Persie last year but Van Persie had a one-year contract so the situation was a bit different. Every club has its own way to deal with things. We have our own way and we respect that all the other clubs.’

Wenger admitted that Arsenal’s Champions League eliminator against Fenerbahce is a ‘strange situation’ considering the Turkish club could win the tie and still be thrown out of the competition if their appeal against a two-year ban for match-fixing allegations is thrown out later this month.

‘It’s a strange situation,’ said Wenger. ‘They are basically suspended. It is a strange situation in different ways.

'They have been suspended to play in Europe, have appealed to a tribunal to the Arbitration of Sport. On top of that, nobody knows if they lose the case what will happen. It’s a very strange situation.


‘But it’s a difficult draw. Fenerbahce is a strong team with history in the Champions League. They have good players who have played in England – Yobo, Dirk Kuyt.


‘I looked at their squad and there is a lot of experience. We need to have a good performance and I am confident we can go through but it is a big task.’


Wenger also gave an update on Jack Wilshere, saying he would have no qualms if he was to play some part in England's friendly with Scotland on Wednesday.


'Jack Wilshere is on his way back to full fitness. He is not completely ready yet but he is in a good way so if he plays half the game, why not? He needs games at the moment.'

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