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by **Santa** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:41 pm

Benny are you still at kindergarten??? you seems to have a mentality of one.

Remember these players are well paid to play and contribute to the club. While I do think a vast majority of the fans won't view Suarez with the same admiration ever again I don't think anyone will wanna start mouthing him off at the training ground or on the field. If he is to ever be consider putting on a Red shirt ever again, BR will make sure that Luis will put in his 100%. As he is now in dire straits and he will need the club to put in a good word or two for him to get the fans back on his side, I trust that he will behave accordingly...don't for a minute think that the club is stupid with their actions. In anyway, in Henry's word that Luis will not be sold, period...so that's THAT!

Also fans are quick to forget what StevieG try to do a few seasons ago before he came back to his senses. Don't think any fans think anything bad towards him after he consistently gave 100% on the field wearing a red shirt so who knows, Luis might just knuckle down and learn his lessons?

In anyway, the club will be much better prepared come the next transfer window and beyond on how to deal with idiots like Luis.

No I will never forget Luis for his stupidity and selfishness but I will always be prepared to support the team that goes out the field wearing a Liverbird until the last day I get to breath fresh air!

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:59 pm

RedAnt » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:39 pm wrote:Benny, you're impossible. You can't possibly know the atmosphere between the players. And you can't possibly know what Suarez' mind is chewing away at. We can guess, sure, based on what we know. But Suarez Know that he's wanted, that the fans have been great to him, that Anfield is one of the greatest places to play in the world. So he wanted to join Real. Most players would. He made a fool of himself, yapping away at the press back in his home. The press leaped in it, manipulating it, filling a summer break with anything they could find.

But when the press fails to direct the wind, then it blows with it instead. They will always back the winning side, thus creating an image of always getting things right. Newspapers work like fisherman do. A big net, cast far and wide, capturing all, using all, highlighting the parts they want in order to keep their sales steady. Suarez got sucked in and used. Most press sources wrote with a bias towards Suarez, keeping things ticking over, highlighting this and hiding that.

But now the tides have turned, and suprise suprise, Suarez is 'toxic', Liverpool are great, and the papers turned too.

Today's news is tomorrow's bumwad.

Suarez and his team have played their turns, rashly and unwisely. Now the ball us in our court. Suarez will need to come back down from the clouds now and accept that as of yet, he is no champion . And more, if he wants to be a champion, the board is set for him to do so with the mighty Liverpool FC, the once dominant, now dormant, soon to be top, greatest team ever.

So Benny, it's always nice to have counter views and counter arguments, but you reply to every single post, usually negatively. I'm sure you're a nice guy and are somewhat victimised, but maybe try reading more and writing less.

Cheers

I was guessing at what it going on and also said that its hard to understand what goes on between the players but you can read players books and the program "Being Liverpool" gave us an insight into the natural groups I was talking about and the way the players react. Also reading the players twitter feeds and you can see certain players that stick together in groups.

And as for what Suarez thinks - he has told the whole world constantly over the last 2/3 months but its being ignored with many blaming media manipulation because they didnt want to hear that because we didnt get CL our best player wants to leave and still does at this moment in time want to leave the club - that isn't media manipulation that's the words from the player himself. First he blamed the press and media for wanting to leave but it was clear he true reason even if some couldn't see it. Suarez has played the media very well - one minute he blames them for making his life hell then the next he is giving them exclusive interviews.

Suarez has twisted and turned all summer long like a snake trying to get away and to not look bad - it's failed. I would have more respect for the guy if he had just stated right from the start - I want to leave because I want to play in the CL - instead of all the other rubbish he has spoken.

We all now know exactly what Suarez wants and we know the reasons why - there is no manipulation , no twisting of words , it's in black and white from the player. He has played his first hand but I don't believe it's his only hand and we will see some more twists yet.

by **kazza** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:03 pm

RedAnt » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:51 pm wrote:I imagine the club will be making inquiries with foreign clubs, such as Real who might offer a player exchange + cash. In the meantime, I don't think Suarez' party will be saying much more other than an apology. The owners and BR have been clever in their silence. Luis has obviously been trying to provoke the management with his paper talk, ultimately I imagine to make leaving easier. It didnt work, our owners sat back whilst Luis unwisely played every hand in his deck, knowing they held all the aces.

Unless he's going abroad, Suarez ain't going anywhere. He dosent hate us. He did this for selfish reasons. Don't hate him. This is nothing more than immature petulance. He will learn a lot from this and our perseverance will reap the benifits. He will apologise soon I hope. If he does, just pat him on the back and call him a daft idiot. That's what he is. Just like Gazza, Rooney, Maradona and countless other brilliant players. Ain't got two brain cells to rub together.

That is about the extent of it

by **RedAnt** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:05 pm

It seems along time ago since Suarez stated he'd like to play for Real. You think Arsenal were in his thoughts when he said that? Or even the CL? Suarez is no angel, but the mutation of what Suarez said to the media in Uruquay and what you believe today is not the work of this naive lad plying his trade in cultures that are as of yet alien to him. You give him too much credit.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:10 pm

He wants to leave the club to play CL - Madrid was his preferred destination but they haven't bid and then Arsenal bid who will give him what he wants - CL football. Yes when he said Madrid CL football was in his mind - i said it at the time that the media stuff was all a smokescreen for his true reasons, and they have become clear as the weeks pass.

Him saying sorry won't stop him wanting to leave to play in the CL. Hence why I don't think this is finished yet. Have no doubt that his agent is working his hardest to get a club abroad to look at him

by **heimdall** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:20 pm

Benny The Noon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:10 pm wrote:He wants to leave the club to play CL - Madrid was his preferred destination but they haven't bid and then Arsenal bid who will give him what he wants - CL football. Yes when he said Madrid CL football was in his mind - i said it at the time that the media stuff was all a smokescreen for his true reasons, and they have become clear as the weeks pass.

Him saying sorry won't stop him wanting to leave to play in the CL. Hence why I don't think this is finished yet. Have no doubt that his agent is working his hardest to get a club abroad to look at him

Well his agent is doing a rather sh1t job then isn't he, first with that bullsh1t clause in the contract and now his utter inability to find any suitors other than Arsenal. If I was Suarez I'd be loking to get a new agent.

by **damjan193** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:21 pm

Of course he'll leave. Just not in this transfer window. We need a suitable bid from abroad and time to find a replacement. That's all there is to it. I think he'll continue playing like he did until this happens.

by **RedAnt** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:24 pm

I feel Suarez has been marched down this road, and I don't suppose Guardiola's will be as highly regarded after this. Arsenal too have tarnished their reputation.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:29 pm

RedAnt » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:24 pm wrote:I feel Suarez has been marched down this road, and I don't suppose Guardiola's will be as highly regarded after this. Arsenal too have tarnished their reputation.

Possibly true in regards the agent but wouldn't you as a top player also want to play in the best comps ? Footballers have a short career and a short peak period and want to maximise that time - Suarez is arriving in that period and wants to show off his talents against the best - so whilst I agree his agent has more than likely been a willing puppet master , you can see why Suarez would want to leave.

by **RedAnt** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:49 pm

Benny The Noon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:29 pm wrote:
RedAnt » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:24 pm wrote:I feel Suarez has been marched down this road, and I don't suppose Guardiola's will be as highly regarded after this. Arsenal too have tarnished their reputation.

Possibly true in regards the agent but wouldn't you as a top player also want to play in the best comps ? Footballers have a short career and a short peak period and want to maximise that time - Suarez is arriving in that period and wants to show off his talents against the best - so whilst I agree his agent has more than likely been a willing puppet master , you can see why Suarez would want to leave.

He said he'd like to play for Real. He didn't say he wanted to leave Liverpool. That all came after, ages after the world and his dog had fuelled the fires through forums and the like.

Once, of course, we had very few public forums, such as the pub, before or after a match. Heck, I'm using my phone to post this while taking a dump and smoking a j! Modern technology is awesome. But football, transfers, these things are still catching up. Toss in human rights, health and safety, equal opportunities, and dare I say it, even the kick it out campaign, and it all adds up to seriously confused morals, and dilemmas that are still very new to football.

The world will be watching, Liverpool vs the Devil. The devil in this is not Luis Suarez. The devil is the devil.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:09 pm

So what are you trying to say mate ? Suarez didnt initally want to leave Liverpool when he first said that he would like to play for Madrid ? He suddenly only decided to leave after the fires had been fueled ?

I said at the time that Suarez was angling to leave because he wanted to play for the biggest club in the biggest comps and i was attacked and abused for thinking that with many swallowing his words about it all being the fault of the media driving him from this country - and it transpires that i was right and i believe it was clear back then what his motives were. The history was there from him , do somthing rash on the pitch then try and force a way out of the club. It has worked a number of times so far and at the moment it has stalled for him but there is a long way yet for this story to run.

by **RedAnt** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:52 pm

Who said "suddenly"? This happened over the summer. The press love a good saga, it sells papers. Come the end of it, they want the player to move to Real Madrid. It never materialised, but ongoing press reports, giving varying different angles, revealing the contents of a private contract brings in other teams, such as Arsenal. Why Arsenal? Other than their silly bids they've had no input in this, other than to stir the through the press, standing to keep Suarez unsettled.

Suarez reads papers too I bet! And does other things in his day like watch TV, maybe the news. That, along with *****'s sweet talk, and the lovely Guardiola whispering about how much money they could make if this was to go through, I'm sure if you look at it from other angles, you might see how the press can dictate whatever they like.

Believe it or not, the News needs news.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:05 pm

I think it's quite simple

Suarez hints that he is looking to leave the club - cites numerous reasons and rumours of clauses come out. I think it's clear that he wants CL football and we then see Arsenal making bids for him on the back of him wanting to leave . He sees they are bidding - they have what he wants and are currently a step up from us ( in his eyes ) so wants to make that step up - he has then come out and stated that he wants to play CL and wants to have the chance to join Arsenal.

People seem to try and look for reasons and excuses for players wanting to leave - the media seem to be a prime target but maybe that's because people are scared to look at the real reason - our club. Our club isn't providing the top players the platform that he wants to compete on , the whole time he has been at the club we haven't moved forward enough for him. He is a world class player who wants to play alongside the best - maybe if we purchased some other top quality players for him to play alongside he could possibly see us showing some ambition but they haven't arrived - no marquee players at all. Is it not possible that Suarez believes that the squad isn't good enough to get CL and hasn't seen us do enough to change that ?

Maybe it's time to look at ourselves to see reasons why he would want to leave instead of looking at outside reasons - maybe when we see those reasons we can look to rectify them.

by **RedAnt** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:27 pm

My point is that though you've stated it's a lost cause and he should leave, you don't have access to his finer thoughts and moods. His team mates will. There's whole micro levels more to look at, at whilst stating your opinion that he should leave is one thing, being an immovable rock and stating that its over, time and time again, is perhaps why others are so aggressive towards you. Me, I like you, but once you've stated your opinion and backed it up, step back a bit and allow the topic to run for a bit, take a collective view for a day or so, then post again having taken other thoughts on board. To be honest it puts posters off, knowing you'll reply in moments. And I'd like others to read my thoughts, but they're lost in pages of tryin to open your mind

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:56 pm

I just reply to posts that I believe are worth replying to have and add to good debate ( as opposed to the multitude of posts just attacking posters or that start off with insults or abuse ).

As for your point about Suarez being a lost cause and not knowing his inner thoughts but his teammates will - Iistened to Carra last night and what he said about Suarez after seeing him at training and also his thoughts about what happened with Torres in those last 6 months. Used the thoughts of someone who has witnessed first hand the current situation and also has experience of it happening before mate.

There are plenty people out there who write blogs and reports about situations and I just read them all and us them to help form my opinion.

I do believe that Suarez is now a lost cause to us and we won't ever get his full 100% - he wants out and I think he has already left in his mind. If he stays then I can see him being just like Torres and going through the motions until he leaves. But I can understand if people think he will turn 180 and be fully committed to us.

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