Liverpool FC Forum

Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:14 pm wrote:One point from your post does worry me though - the point about the CEO earning his money - we are fecked then.

We have muppets for CEO since donkey years -- that much I will agree with you! How the feck did these guys get up there? I mean we could be one of the richest and most successful club in the world (partially) if not because of these retards 

Santa » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:18 pm wrote:Stop diving, start growing some balls, stop arguing with the referees, stop being a racist and stop biting opposition then half of his problems will be gone. Knuckle down and play football and you'll get paid handsomely...but you need to be greedy and not showing any loyalty to those who backed you and supported you when you're about to get your balls hung.

Flawed genius, a third grade human being --- see you on your way down!

I must say, I disagree with the bulk of this Santa. The only wrong doing on Suarez's part as far as I'm concerned is the way he's conducted himself this summer.

Many players dive.
Many argue with the referee.
Many have been "accused" of racism and some found guilty (like Suarez) with more leniency - like Terry.

Santa » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:24 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:14 pm wrote:One point from your post does worry me though - the point about the CEO earning his money - we are fecked then.

We have muppets for CEO since donkey years -- that much I will agree with you! How the feck did these guys get up there? I mean we could be one of the richest and most successful club in the world (partially) if not because of these retards 

In fairness Ayre is a very good commercial director - has a lot of links to big companies which have allowed us to being in big sponsership but as a CEO he has proven to be utterly incompetent first at Huddersfield and now with us.

I love how many of our posters believe they are in a position to determine intelligence and lack of credentials of our CEO, who has worked very successfully on sports business ventures on numerous occasions in the past.

ethanr » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:33 pm wrote:I love how many of our posters believe they are in a position to determine intelligence and lack of credentials of our CEO, who has worked very successfully on sports business ventures on numerous occasions in the past.

As a CEO he hasn't though - as a commercial director maybe.

He nearly took Huddersfield into administration through his poor dealings whilst CEO.

Some seem to have forgotten the absolutely unbelievable, unprecedented sh'it storm which surrounded Suarez and LFC since hes been here. I know football fans have short memories but I cant accept we have forgotten the disgraceful way Suarez was treated.
To dismiss the behaviour of the cu'nty, spiteful FA, the rat infested gutter press and his treatment by every set of supporters, home and away, is to suffer from collective amnesia and trivialise a major injustice in our game. The media was like a rabid dog, especially ssn with its constant minute by minute reporting on every aspect of Surez from every angle. Never have I seen such attention and demonising of ANY player in the time Ive been following football. Everyone got their say, even cameron, and purple nose played his wicked part as well in sticking the knife in.
Its understandable that Suarez would be aggrieved and be looking for a way out of english football, if only to not go through the situation again. This tells us more about him than we think. It tells us that he knows he will behave like this again, and that when, not if, he does then he will be persecuted even worse than he was first time. Thats why I dont think he will go to a PL club. It doesnt make sense, because the knives are already being sharpened by the media as we speak. He has to go abroad if he wants to esape the british media and FA, which is why he is talking about Madrid.
The sad thing is the Spanish media is probably more obtrusive and offensive than ours, which is why he needs LFC more than he knows. No other club would have supported him through what hes been involved in, and if he cant see that then there really is no hope for him. He will be involved in more incidents Im sure, but he wont have the backing that we gave him or fans who stuck by him through all the trouble which he himself had caused.
He will rue the day that he fu'cked us off, no matter what reason he gives or where he goes...

Suarez had a big helping hand in what has happened to him since he arrived -  Suarez himself takes a great deal of blame. But it's all just excuses from him to hide the real reason why he wants to leave - he keeps alluding to it. As much as the media have gone over the top it's no different to the way media works in other countries. Suarez has been a disgrace to our club on a number of occasions and is showing disrespect towards our club.

He will go to a club in the prem if it gives him the platform he wants to play on - maybe then people might see how much he is hiding behind this media/ FA rubbish.

Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:05 pm wrote:Suarez had a big helping hand in what has happened to him since he arrived -  Suarez himself takes a great deal of blame. But it's all just excuses from him to hide the real reason why he wants to leave - he keeps alluding to it. As much as the media have gone over the top it's no different to the way media works in other countries. Suarez has been a disgrace to our club on a number of occasions and is showing disrespect towards our club.

He will go to a club in the prem if it gives him the platform he wants to play on - maybe then people might see how much he is hiding behind this media/ FA rubbish.

I can see why youre trying to trivialise the medias part in this, but even you are not that stupid so as not to recognise the importance of what happened and how much it has affected Suarez. You wont admit it because you cant handle being wrong and you will continue this "CL" theory even if Suarez himself tells you personally that was not his main motive. I notice you have gone from nailed on Madrid move to any club which has qualified for the CL next season. I wonder why? And as for "media/FA rubbish" yeah right, it was just a storm in a teacup and barely mentioned anywhere.
Mad you mate

And if Suarez goes to a club in the prem will you still blame the media and FA for him leaving. Have you even read the tripe the guy has been saying on a daily basis - and you still want to blame the media/ FA

What has happened is down to the actions of one person - Suarez , he has been at the centre of every single incident that has brought shame on the club in the last 2 and a half years and not once has he been completely innocent.

Suarez ***** up not one nor twice but countless times now and has been punished for what he has done - the blame is on Suarez.

Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:41 pm wrote:And if Suarez goes to a club in the prem will you still blame the media and FA for him leaving. Have you even read the tripe the guy has been saying on a daily basis - and you still want to blame the media/ FA

What has happened is down to the actions of one person - Suarez , he has been at the centre of every single incident that has brought shame on the club in the last 2 and a half years and not once has he been completely innocent.

Suarez ***** up not one nor twice but countless times now and has been punished for what he has done - the blame is on Suarez.

Actually I believe the racism ban was entirely unjustified and a product of influence within the FA.

The 'negrito' affair was extreme ignorance of a cultural divide.

I agree with that SCS.  If that were to happen at a company or in pretty much any other sport, Suarez would have been considered the victim.

The biting there's nothing you can do about.  People dislike Liverpool, and the racism thing was completely blown out of purportion as well as the diving.  He clearly dove only a few times this season.  He may go down easy, but everybody does.  It's actually funny that Bale, who was carded for diving 5 or 6 times, but who dove on a consistent basis, won player of the year.  His cheating lost clubs a lot more points against spurs than Suarez did.  But when you bite somebody? and the middle finger to the Fulham fans... the media took full advantage of that.

Problem with Suarez is he says exactly how he feels without any self control. He was punished because he admitted he said Negrito and was charged and sentenced due solely to his own confession. The diving tag came when he admitted that he dived to get the penalty and now he is guilty of thinking out loud to the press when many other players should have kept their mouth shut. He is uneducated, grew up on the mean streets and his behaviour reflects this. He is a great, world class footballer (probably one of the best in the world) and we would not own him if he was not a liability (remember we bought him and he was suspended for biting a player). If he did not have this edge to him he may have been at a CL club already. If he was a polished, PR friendly golden balls we never would have got him. I still hope he stays as he is a great football player and frankly I do not care what he thinks (within reason)I just want him to score goals. He was guilty of , diving, saying negrito and biting and now talking Sh*t to the press. He is still a fantastic player and our chances of CL are much better with him. If all players were as honest as him we would probably be hearing the same about them as frankly most are uneducated. Difference is they keep their mouth shut so they are not exposed, Suarez is too stupid or lacks the self control to figure that one out.

Had golden balls Becky called a player Negrito (which he may have done as it seemed that was Evra nickname at the club) and admitted it or addmitted diving (which he must have done in his career) the press would have been all over him. The press just wait for f.uck ups so they can pounce and I do not think it is personal, Suarez just keeps giving them sh1t to write.

ethanr » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:39 am wrote:I agree with that SCS.  If that were to happen at a company or in pretty much any other sport, Suarez would have been considered the victim.

The biting there's nothing you can do about.  People dislike Liverpool, and the racism thing was completely blown out of purportion as well as the diving.  He clearly dove only a few times this season.  He may go down easy, but everybody does.  It's actually funny that Bale, who was carded for diving 5 or 6 times, but who dove on a consistent basis, won player of the year.  His cheating lost clubs a lot more points against spurs than Suarez did.  But when you bite somebody? and the middle finger to the Fulham fans... the media took full advantage of that.

Spot on.

Add on the fact Defoe had no "retrospective" action taken against him after biting Mascherano and the word 'unjust' pops up again.

kazza » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:07 am wrote:Problem with Suarez is he says exactly how he feels without any self control. He was punished because he admitted he said Negrito and was charged and sentenced due solely to his own confession. The diving tag came when he admitted that he dived to get the penalty and now he is guilty of thinking out loud to the press when many other players should have kept their mouth shut. He is uneducated, grew up on the mean streets and his behaviour reflects this. He is a great, world class footballer (probably one of the best in the world) and we would not own him if he was not a liability (remember we bought him and he was suspended for biting a player). If he did not have this edge to him he may have been at a CL club already. If he was a polished, PR friendly golden balls we never would have got him. I still hope he stays as he is a great football player and frankly I do not care what he thinks (within reason)I just want him to score goals. He was guilty of , diving, saying negrito and biting and now talking Sh*t to the press. He is still a fantastic player and our chances of CL are much better with him. If all players were as honest as him we would probably be hearing the same about them as frankly most are uneducated. Difference is they keep their mouth shut so they are not exposed, Suarez is too stupid or lacks the self control to figure that one out.

Had golden balls Becky called a player Negrito (which he may have done as it seemed that was Evra nickname at the club) and admitted it or addmitted diving (which he must have done in his career) the press would have been all over him. The press just wait for f.uck ups so they can pounce and I do not think it is personal, Suarez just keeps giving them sh1t to write.

Another good post.

ethanr » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:39 am wrote:I agree with that SCS.  If that were to happen at a company or in pretty much any other sport, Suarez would have been considered the victim.

The biting there's nothing you can do about.  People dislike Liverpool, and the racism thing was completely blown out of purportion as well as the diving.  He clearly dove only a few times this season.  He may go down easy, but everybody does.  It's actually funny that Bale, who was carded for diving 5 or 6 times, but who dove on a consistent basis, won player of the year.  His cheating lost clubs a lot more points against spurs than Suarez did.  But when you bite somebody? and the middle finger to the Fulham fans... the media took full advantage of that.

I'm not sure how he would have been classed as the victim as he admitted saying the word and also pinching Evra at the same time as saying it. Suarez has been in Europe for a number of years so should/did know the meaning of the word he was using - but the only person that would know what Suarez was meaning is Suarez himself - he could have been meaning it in a racist way or to wind up Evra - but Suarez got himself into that position in the firs place.

The diving and play actin are wrong - just because others do it doesn't mean it's ok for Suarez to do it - again it just brings bad news onto the club - and the biting and the middle finger - no justification for either and no defence - regardless of the media. We keep excusing Suarez and his behaviour - we keep trying to find any sort of justification for his behaviour - when he has brought more bad press on the club than any other player in our history. Amazingly talented player which is why the excuses for him are made - can guarantee if it was someone like Downing etc the pitchforks would be out and the demands for him to be thrown out of the club would be very loud and vocal.

Sell him for anything over £40 mil and let someone else deal with him