Liverpool FC Forum

Boxscarf » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:52 pm wrote:Gary Neville made an interesting point on Skysports last season, that the reason a majority of players go down is they know that's the only real way of getting a spot kick. Take Yesil for example against West Brom, he stayed on his feet and got nothing, I bet you my entire savings that had he gone down he'd have gotten a decision from the referee. You can call it whatever you want, but that's the stark reality of it, Luis knows it, Young knows it, Drogba knows it, nearly every professional footballer knows it and that's why it's so frequent in the game. As for Luis he's been given a reputation rightly or wrongly by the two British Don Corleone's of English football in Mr Ferguson and Mr Moyes and as a result he's suffering from it, but you can argue that he's only got himself to blame.

Referee's need to start ignoring reputation and going for what they believe to be the right call - if they are unable to do so then the same technology that exists in Rugby Union should be brought into football. Penalties, freekicks, sendings off should all be subject to video replays, to ensure that teams aren't wronged unnecessarily and that fairness remains apart of football. So if Suarez goes down in the box, the referee can head over to the touchline, watch the incident from a multitude of differing angles, if it is clear that Suarez dived, then book the player, if not award the penalty and the time taken to reach the decision should be added on at the end of the half in stoppage time. It's the fairest system that could be introduced and the sooner it's introduced the better for the game.

its the last part I have a major problem with. We can't keep stopping the game, it'll kill the flow and any sort of counterattacking football. Plus many penalty decisions are debatable even when there is contact, its part of what makes the sport. Retrospective punishment for divers is fair enough but take Suarez at Sunderland for example, imo it wasn't a penalty but there was contact - I'm sure both sides of the coin will happily be debated by any set of fans

Greavesie » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:59 pm wrote:
its the last part I have a major problem with. We can't keep stopping the game, it'll kill the flow and any sort of counterattacking football. Plus many penalty decisions are debatable even when there is contact, its part of what makes the sport. Retrospective punishment for divers is fair enough but take Suarez at Sunderland for example, imo it wasn't a penalty but there was contact - I'm sure both sides of the coin will happily be debated by any set of fans

Football has two choices, it can put up and shut up or it make the appropriate changes. Supporters on one hand are slating every decision any referee makes in a match and on the second hand wants football to remain as it is. You can't have both ways. If you want football to remain as it is, then put up and shut your mouth when decisions go against your team.

Rugby is hardly a stop and start sport is it? In fact it's more entertaining than football.

Boxscarf » Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:03 pm wrote:

Greavesie » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:59 pm wrote:
its the last part I have a major problem with. We can't keep stopping the game, it'll kill the flow and any sort of counterattacking football. Plus many penalty decisions are debatable even when there is contact, its part of what makes the sport. Retrospective punishment for divers is fair enough but take Suarez at Sunderland for example, imo it wasn't a penalty but there was contact - I'm sure both sides of the coin will happily be debated by any set of fans

Football has two choices, it can put up and shut up or it make the appropriate changes. Supporters on one hand are slating every decision any referee makes in a match and on the second hand wants football to remain as it is. You can't have both ways. If you want football to remain as it is, then put up and shut your mouth when decisions go against your team.

Rugby is hardly a stop and start sport is it? In fact it's more entertaining than football.

Even the goal-line technology debate I lean towards the hawkeye making a noise in the refs ear approach, that way the game doesn't have to be stopped. Your way isn't practical imo because anyone could claim they've been fouled to delay play and set up the squad to defend, its the same as they do now to keep talking to the ref while their side sets up to defend a free kick. If we stopped the game players would just use it to their advantage. With regards to using technology I believe only goal line is necessary, beyond that I'd like retrospective punishment for simulation

Greavesie » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:10 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:03 pm wrote:

Greavesie » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:59 pm wrote:
its the last part I have a major problem with. We can't keep stopping the game, it'll kill the flow and any sort of counterattacking football. Plus many penalty decisions are debatable even when there is contact, its part of what makes the sport. Retrospective punishment for divers is fair enough but take Suarez at Sunderland for example, imo it wasn't a penalty but there was contact - I'm sure both sides of the coin will happily be debated by any set of fans

Football has two choices, it can put up and shut up or it make the appropriate changes. Supporters on one hand are slating every decision any referee makes in a match and on the second hand wants football to remain as it is. You can't have both ways. If you want football to remain as it is, then put up and shut your mouth when decisions go against your team.

Rugby is hardly a stop and start sport is it? In fact it's more entertaining than football.

Even the goal-line technology debate I lean towards the hawkeye making a noise in the refs ear approach, that way the game doesn't have to be stopped. Your way isn't practical imo because anyone could claim they've been fouled to delay play and set up the squad to defend, its the same as they do now to keep talking to the ref while their side sets up to defend a free kick. If we stopped the game players would just use it to their advantage. With regards to using technology I believe only goal line is necessary, beyond that I'd like retrospective punishment for simulation

In Rugby and almost all other sports with video replays it's the ref who calls for the video evidence and in ALL cases it adds to the excitement of the game, why should football be different? The ref would not be calling for the video replay all the time so it would not disrupt the game.
To cut out diving/cheating is so so simple, you just need to have a 3 man panel who review every single game after they've been played, i.e NO disruption to the game, and fine players for blatant diving and also violent conduct, this would eliminate the problem over night.

To be honest, since the opening PL game last year against Sunderland were the ref failed to send off Richardson, it seems like 90% of decisions have gone against us. 

On numerous occasions Ive seen Liverpool players taken down and getting nothing yet the opposition fall to ground and they're given.

Not sure Id be a massive fan of technology but something does have to change... its costing us far too many points. 

I hate moaning about refs but the United game at Anfield was decided by one man, and he wasnt wearing a liverpool or Utd jersey. 
The decision not to award Suarez a pen on saturday was baffling.

I think people are confused about whats actually happening here.
Nobody can expect referees not to make mistakes, they are human after all. And besides its what makes games exciting and keeps us talking after the game. I believe that goal line technology will come because it must. When teams are losing millions because of a blatant goal which has been disallowed the clubs will demand it and it will come. However, I do not agree with camera replays for penalties and free kicks. What I want is a fair decision based on what a referee and his assistants see. Were not getting that at the moment. What we are getting, so we're told by ex players and reporters, is that referees are refusing to even contemplate giving Suarez because he has a 'reputation'. This is totally unfair and cannot be impartial. How can he recieve a fair decision if a ref already has a bias against him because of a previous action?
Its a Fu*king disgrace and why the media and LFC havent made an issue of this is beyond belief. Dont talk about fair play and respect if those  who are meant to uphold the laws of the game are cheating

havent visited this thread in a while so had a bit of reading to catch up,once i got over several pages where the girls were throwing handbags at each other there was a few good points made.
likewise i believe the treatment shown to suarez is ridiculous and blatantly biased.not just the referees but the media and pundits alike.
i really dont know what the club are doing here by staying silent through it all.on motd the other night that toerag fergie had the audacity to slate the ref for only adding 4 mins on.he labelled it an insult to the game and backed it up by saying how is anyone supposed to win a game with only 4 mins added.this muppet gets to say what he wants without any repercussions.half of the problem is fergie along with the influence he has and how the rules get bent and distorted in his favour.none of the media or pundits will question him at all such is the fear they have of him.
the whole terry farce proved to be exactly that.a farce and especially since he claims that he was told by 2 senior execs at the fa that he wouldnt face any punishment.there is no doubt in my mind at all that he would have walked only for the F.A set the standard with the punishment given to luis and they couldnt be seen to let him off such was the severity of the insult.they halved his ban and blamed it on the fact that suarez repeatedly abused evra although the player only admitted to saying it once.
i have stopped buying the mirror because i cannot read any more of the ***** that cretin holt is writing in terrys defence while also getting another dig in at luis.he's a pr1ck and sympathises that poor john has now been labelled and will have to listen to "you know what you are" at every away game.
these people should be treated with the contempt they deserve when they visit anfield and where on earth is this P.R guy we fooking signed?.

Thommo's perm » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:45 pm wrote:I think people are confused about whats actually happening here.
Nobody can expect referees not to make mistakes, they are human after all. And besides its what makes games exciting and keeps us talking after the game. I believe that goal line technology will come because it must. When teams are losing millions because of a blatant goal which has been disallowed the clubs will demand it and it will come. However, I do not agree with camera replays for penalties and free kicks. What I want is a fair decision based on what a referee and his assistants see. Were not getting that at the moment. What we are getting, so we're told by ex players and reporters, is that referees are refusing to even contemplate giving Suarez because he has a 'reputation'. This is totally unfair and cannot be impartial. How can he recieve a fair decision if a ref already has a bias against him because of a previous action?
Its a Fu*king disgrace and why the media and LFC havent made an issue of this is beyond belief. Dont talk about fair play and respect if those  who are meant to uphold the laws of the game are cheating

id hate to see the game stopped every 5mins while some tool watches a replay but i agree on the hawkeye.it has to happen and in ireland the G.A.A is going to try it next season so i expect it will be the norm once its proved reliable and the bugs ironed out.
what i do believe in is that a referee should not be allowed to make a major decision without consulting a video referee.he should only be consulted for a penalty that wasnt clear cut or before he sends a player off.it is human error that they make mistakes but when we see pens being handed out like the one valencia got it doesnt seem fair.
either that or a system where the managers get one chance per game to challenge the referee's decision.again only for a game changing call he's made.
its silly really that there isnt something in place already for this because replays are available almost immediately after the said incident and it would take no longer than it takes for a ref to have a word with someone or step out 10 paces for a free kick.
in this day and age its a bit ridiculous that we are relying on someones interpretation of the rules when it could be easilly avoided.

was it over the line? incidents only. Leave the ref to ref the game.

Thommo's perm » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:45 pm wrote:I think people are confused about whats actually happening here.
Nobody can expect referees not to make mistakes, they are human after all. And besides its what makes games exciting and keeps us talking after the game. I believe that goal line technology will come because it must. When teams are losing millions because of a blatant goal which has been disallowed the clubs will demand it and it will come. However, I do not agree with camera replays for penalties and free kicks. What I want is a fair decision based on what a referee and his assistants see. Were not getting that at the moment. What we are getting, so we're told by ex players and reporters, is that referees are refusing to even contemplate giving Suarez because he has a 'reputation'. This is totally unfair and cannot be impartial. How can he recieve a fair decision if a ref already has a bias against him because of a previous action?
Its a Fu*king disgrace and why the media and LFC havent made an issue of this is beyond belief. Dont talk about fair play and respect if those  who are meant to uphold the laws of the game are cheating

There been so many incident of match fixing in Italy that I sometime wonder just how clean our beautiful game is? Some decisions beggar belief and it makes it difficult not to consider that the referee is at it.

WHAT A FREEKICK!

Roger Red Hat » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:10 pm wrote:was it over the line? incidents only. Leave the ref to ref the game.

Then stop whinging when we don't get correct decisions.

red till i die!! » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:53 pm wrote:

Thommo's perm » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:45 pm wrote:I think people are confused about whats actually happening here.
Nobody can expect referees not to make mistakes, they are human after all. And besides its what makes games exciting and keeps us talking after the game. I believe that goal line technology will come because it must. When teams are losing millions because of a blatant goal which has been disallowed the clubs will demand it and it will come. However, I do not agree with camera replays for penalties and free kicks. What I want is a fair decision based on what a referee and his assistants see. Were not getting that at the moment. What we are getting, so we're told by ex players and reporters, is that referees are refusing to even contemplate giving Suarez because he has a 'reputation'. This is totally unfair and cannot be impartial. How can he recieve a fair decision if a ref already has a bias against him because of a previous action?
Its a Fu*king disgrace and why the media and LFC havent made an issue of this is beyond belief. Dont talk about fair play and respect if those  who are meant to uphold the laws of the game are cheating

id hate to see the game stopped every 5mins while some tool watches a replay but i agree on the hawkeye.it has to happen and in ireland the G.A.A is going to try it next season so i expect it will be the norm once its proved reliable and the bugs ironed out.
what i do believe in is that a referee should not be allowed to make a major decision without consulting a video referee.he should only be consulted for a penalty that wasnt clear cut or before he sends a player off.it is human error that they make mistakes but when we see pens being handed out like the one valencia got it doesnt seem fair.
either that or a system where the managers get one chance per game to challenge the referee's decision.again only for a game changing call he's made.
its silly really that there isnt something in place already for this because replays are available almost immediately after the said incident and it would take no longer than it takes for a ref to have a word with someone or step out 10 paces for a free kick.
in this day and age its a bit ridiculous that we are relying on someones interpretation of the rules when it could be easilly avoided.

I thought creases were ironed out?

7 goals in all competitions so far this season and we are barely out of september. he should comfortably beat last seasons tally of 17 with this start.

Suarez suddenly looks. On fire and will start scoring loads im sure.