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Benny The Noon » Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:04 am wrote:We don't have a prayer to get 4th

we didn't really have that much of a shot anyway. it was an outside chance at best. put simply, we're paying the price for being poorly run for years.

Yeah it was an outside chance on the proviso we made the right signings. 

Benny The Noon » Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:57 am wrote:@BenSmithBBC: Was told yesterday, Brendan Rodgers only realised his £20m summer transfer budget included wages, very late on.

That’s the same Ben Smith who said on Thursday morning that Carroll would be staying at anfield to fight for his place. By the end of the day he had signed for West Ham.

Boscarf lad your maths are shight like most of the anti FSG comments on here    Dalglish and Comolli spent (wasted) close to a £110m. The value of the players that they sold was less than £80m. During this transfer window LFC have spent £30m with players sold totalling a maximum of £15m. In just over 12 months FSG have allowed a net sum of £45m to be invested. I accept that we did very little on the last day of the transfer window except get rid of a player costing £80k a week and producing very little in return.The loss of Adam should be deemed a bonus together with the loss of Spearing. Bellamy I liked and would have preferred that he stayed but age and fitness was against him. Don't lose sight of the fact that we were the fifth or sixth biggest spending club during the transfer window. FSG if they are half as bad as some of the fukwits on here claim could easily have said to Kenny and Comolli fk off we're keeping all of the money from the players that have been sold and you can have £30m and start doing some decent work in the transfer market. I hate to say this but if Moyes can buy Arteta, Lescott, Cahill and Jelavic for less than £16m for the lot of them then it is not our owners that are at fault when it comes to transfer dealings. Can anybody reasonably blame them for not throwing ridiculous amounts of money at new players when you look at the way Dalglish and Comolli p.issed over £80m down the Mersey. In FSG first year LFC showed a loss of £60m. They couldn't really be accused of asset stripping could they.

while i agree that the owners have dropped a bollock by not stumping up the extra couple of million to get dempsey i don't agree at all that it means they are asset stripping and looking at selling the club. its understandable that many people are pretty vexed about not getting in the extra striker, but no one was really all that excited about dempsey until he suddenly became unavailable anyway. the main issue seems to be a lack of understanding between the owners and manager rather than an outright refusal to invest in the club. after the fiasco of the last round of transfers its hardly surprising that with mounting worldwide economic problems they were going to throw another 50 or 60 million into the pot.

the squad is actually much stronger in many ways than it has been for a couple of years. the midfield has plenty of good quality options at last, and while we only have borini and suarez as established players who can play as striker, we also have the young german lad we just signed plus morgan as promising back up. goals should also come from across the front 3 as long as downing, assaidi and sterling get their shít together, plus sahin, allen and gerrard are all perfectly capable of weighing in with a few. its not ideal but it doesn't signal that we're doomed either.

andy_g » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:15 am wrote:while i agree that the owners have dropped a bollock by not stumping up the extra couple of million to get dempsey i don't agree at all that it means they are asset stripping and looking at selling the club. its understandable that many people are pretty vexed about not getting in the extra striker, but no one was really all that excited about dempsey until he suddenly became unavailable anyway. the main issue seems to be a lack of understanding between the owners and manager rather than an outright refusal to invest in the club. after the fiasco of the last round of transfers its hardly surprising that with mounting worldwide economic problems they were going to throw another 50 or 60 million into the pot.

the squad is actually much stronger in many ways than it has been for a couple of years. the midfield has plenty of good quality options at last, and while we only have borini and suarez as established players who can play as striker, we also have the young german lad we just signed plus morgan as promising back up. goals should also come from across the front 3 as long as downing, assaidi and sterling get their shít together, plus sahin, allen and gerrard are all perfectly capable of weighing in with a few. its not ideal but it doesn't signal that we're doomed either.

Yes yes yes YES!!!

Benny The Noon » Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:57 am wrote:@BenSmithBBC: Was told yesterday, Brendan Rodgers only realised his £20m summer transfer budget included wages, very late on.

are we really supposed to believe this?.
is rodgers not his own man and in full control? he had to of known when he made the decision to let carroll go exactly what he had to replace him with.
this whole situation is a load of balls and wreaks of amateur hour

devaney » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:57 am wrote:Boscarf lad your maths are shight like most of the anti FSG comments on here    Dalglish and Comolli spent (wasted) close to a £110m. The value of the players that they sold was less than £80m. During this transfer window LFC have spent £30m with players sold totalling a maximum of £15m. In just over 12 months FSG have allowed a net sum of £45m to be invested. I accept that we did very little on the last day of the transfer window except get rid of a player costing £80k a week and producing very little in return.The loss of Adam should be deemed a bonus together with the loss of Spearing. Bellamy I liked and would have preferred that he stayed but age and fitness was against him. Don't lose sight of the fact that we were the fifth or sixth biggest spending club during the transfer window. FSG if they are half as bad as some of the fukwits on here claim could easily have said to Kenny and Comolli fk off we're keeping all of the money from the players that have been sold and you can have £30m and start doing some decent work in the transfer market. I hate to say this but if Moyes can buy Arteta, Lescott, Cahill and Jelavic for less than £16m for the lot of them then it is not our owners that are at fault when it comes to transfer dealings. Can anybody reasonably blame them for not throwing ridiculous amounts of money at new players when you look at the way Dalglish and Comolli p.issed over £80m down the Mersey. In FSG first year LFC showed a loss of £60m. They couldn't really be accused of asset stripping could they.

Moyes is a genius when it comes to transfers
He is suited to a club with no money.
Hopefully Rodgers is similar

devaney » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:57 am wrote:Boscarf lad your maths are shight like most of the anti FSG comments on here    Dalglish and Comolli spent (wasted) close to a £110m. The value of the players that they sold was less than £80m. During this transfer window LFC have spent £30m with players sold totalling a maximum of £15m. In just over 12 months FSG have allowed a net sum of £45m to be invested. I accept that we did very little on the last day of the transfer window except get rid of a player costing £80k a week and producing very little in return.The loss of Adam should be deemed a bonus together with the loss of Spearing. Bellamy I liked and would have preferred that he stayed but age and fitness was against him. Don't lose sight of the fact that we were the fifth or sixth biggest spending club during the transfer window. FSG if they are half as bad as some of the fukwits on here claim could easily have said to Kenny and Comolli fk off we're keeping all of the money from the players that have been sold and you can have £30m and start doing some decent work in the transfer market. I hate to say this but if Moyes can buy Arteta, Lescott, Cahill and Jelavic for less than £16m for the lot of them then it is not our owners that are at fault when it comes to transfer dealings. Can anybody reasonably blame them for not throwing ridiculous amounts of money at new players when you look at the way Dalglish and Comolli p.issed over £80m down the Mersey. In FSG first year LFC showed a loss of £60m. They couldn't really be accused of asset stripping could they.

Kenny was not the first nor he will be the last manager to make mistakes in the transfer market when able to spend over the space of eight months to improve the squad. The owners have to take their share of the blame with regard to those transfers since they appointed Comolli as DOF who was tracking Carroll and Henderson while Hodgson was still in charge.

Of that £114 million that Kenny spent a sizeable proportion of it £40 million (£23 million Suarez, £6 million Enrique £4 million Doni and £7 million Coates) was well spent. 35% success rate in terms of players brought in is not a bad stat given that Carroll and Henderson were long term buys and Houllier and Rafa's success in the market of the total of their reigns was only around 45-50%. Even if those players had been better last season and the team had finished say 5th or 6th just missing fourth with reaching two cup finals it is a bit odd to argue that Kenny would have been denied more significant funds this summer to build on such a finish.

Nobody expects FSG to have Man City owners type cash or Abramovich money but really £3 million offered for Dempsey? It's shameful. The approach of saying a manager has to make better use of small resources failed quite clearly under Hodgson in admittedly different circumstances but nevertheless it could quite easily fail again this season.

The squad has now been reduced in terms of numbers because experienced players (Kuyt, Bellamy and Maxi) wanted to leave through no fault of Brendan's and for the owners to force the new manager to have to rely on kids as backup until at least January is just not acceptable. The fans were promised in October 2010 money for new signings to build a team that could challenge on all fronts. We've been let down by the new owners and there's no getting away from it.

Thommo's perm » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:24 am wrote:

andy_g » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:15 am wrote:while i agree that the owners have dropped a bollock by not stumping up the extra couple of million to get dempsey i don't agree at all that it means they are asset stripping and looking at selling the club. its understandable that many people are pretty vexed about not getting in the extra striker, but no one was really all that excited about dempsey until he suddenly became unavailable anyway. the main issue seems to be a lack of understanding between the owners and manager rather than an outright refusal to invest in the club. after the fiasco of the last round of transfers its hardly surprising that with mounting worldwide economic problems they were going to throw another 50 or 60 million into the pot.

the squad is actually much stronger in many ways than it has been for a couple of years. the midfield has plenty of good quality options at last, and while we only have borini and suarez as established players who can play as striker, we also have the young german lad we just signed plus morgan as promising back up. goals should also come from across the front 3 as long as downing, assaidi and sterling get their shít together, plus sahin, allen and gerrard are all perfectly capable of weighing in with a few. its not ideal but it doesn't signal that we're doomed either.

Yes yes yes YES!!!

I've been in a foul mood all day over this debacle. I'm now officially joining these lads and going all happy clappy. Keep the optimism up lads, we need it.

Thommo's perm » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:24 am wrote:

andy_g » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:15 am wrote:while i agree that the owners have dropped a bollock by not stumping up the extra couple of million to get dempsey i don't agree at all that it means they are asset stripping and looking at selling the club. its understandable that many people are pretty vexed about not getting in the extra striker, but no one was really all that excited about dempsey until he suddenly became unavailable anyway. the main issue seems to be a lack of understanding between the owners and manager rather than an outright refusal to invest in the club. after the fiasco of the last round of transfers its hardly surprising that with mounting worldwide economic problems they were going to throw another 50 or 60 million into the pot.

the squad is actually much stronger in many ways than it has been for a couple of years. the midfield has plenty of good quality options at last, and while we only have borini and suarez as established players who can play as striker, we also have the young german lad we just signed plus morgan as promising back up. goals should also come from across the front 3 as long as downing, assaidi and sterling get their shít together, plus sahin, allen and gerrard are all perfectly capable of weighing in with a few. its not ideal but it doesn't signal that we're doomed either.

Yes yes yes YES!!!

Doesn't change the fact that we don't have a no.9 and should Suarez or Borini need time off for whatever reason we are up the swanny.

Thommo's perm » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:43 pm wrote:

devaney » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:57 am wrote:Boscarf lad your maths are shight like most of the anti FSG comments on here    Dalglish and Comolli spent (wasted) close to a £110m. The value of the players that they sold was less than £80m. During this transfer window LFC have spent £30m with players sold totalling a maximum of £15m. In just over 12 months FSG have allowed a net sum of £45m to be invested. I accept that we did very little on the last day of the transfer window except get rid of a player costing £80k a week and producing very little in return.The loss of Adam should be deemed a bonus together with the loss of Spearing. Bellamy I liked and would have preferred that he stayed but age and fitness was against him. Don't lose sight of the fact that we were the fifth or sixth biggest spending club during the transfer window. FSG if they are half as bad as some of the fukwits on here claim could easily have said to Kenny and Comolli fk off we're keeping all of the money from the players that have been sold and you can have £30m and start doing some decent work in the transfer market. I hate to say this but if Moyes can buy Arteta, Lescott, Cahill and Jelavic for less than £16m for the lot of them then it is not our owners that are at fault when it comes to transfer dealings. Can anybody reasonably blame them for not throwing ridiculous amounts of money at new players when you look at the way Dalglish and Comolli p.issed over £80m down the Mersey. In FSG first year LFC showed a loss of £60m. They couldn't really be accused of asset stripping could they.

Moyes is a genius when it comes to transfers
He is suited to a club with no money.
Hopefully Rodgers is similar

we are the 8th richest football club in the world thommo and a giant compared to neverton.
the value of the club has increased since the cowboys left but where our problem lies is that other than the purchase price they shelled out they wont dip in to their own pockets.the purchase price of the club is what they will grow and make their profit on.
i suppose we can be thankful they arent asset stripping either but would it have killed them to stretch to the extra 2 mil to land a replacement for carroll.
quite frankly im disapointed that they have gone the route they have and not backed their man properly but have sent him to do a job with no laces in his boots and an arm tied behind his back.
and@ devaney,that 60mil in losses fsg posted in their first year was down to the stadium plans having to be scrapped at a cost of £40-£50mil.that was t&t's baby and inherited by fsg when they bought the club.they decided to scrap them and start again while the club picked up the cost of it.

In simple terms it means this will be a season of transition, we are going to be lightweight and struggle to kill teams off, but the plus side (if it can be called such) is that this group of players now has a season to fully adapt to the beautiful game the manager wants to play without any real pressure. The owners cannot seriously expect a marked improvement given the comings and goings of the first team squad. It would be hurtful for our midfield to thrive this season only for Sahin to head back to Spain but if we can see real progression on the pitch then maybe this giant black cloud has a silver lining. It just involves a pragmatic lowering of our expectations.

Andy Carroll is having a stormer today btw. 

Ayre could be next out the door after his performance yesterday, wouldnt surprise me.

burjennio » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:28 pm wrote:In simple terms it means this will be a season of transition, we are going to be lightweight and struggle to kill teams off, but the plus side (if it can be called such) is that this group of players now has a season to fully adapt to the beautiful game the manager wants to play without any real pressure. The owners cannot seriously expect a marked improvement given the comings and goings of the first team squad. It would be hurtful for our midfield to thrive this season only for Sahin to head back to Spain but if we can see real progression on the pitch then maybe this giant black cloud has a silver lining. It just involves a pragmatic lowering of our expectations.

Andy Carroll is having a stormer today btw. 

If we dont perform well this season -and I'm talking about results not performances- then Rodgers wont have a job next summer. What if the next manager we bring in likes to play a more direct approach and some of the players at the club dont suit his style? You simply dont send a 35mill player out on loan regardless of the style you want to play.
Regarding pressure, its delusional to think that a club like Liverpool wont be under pressure to perform or get results anytime soon. We have one of the most expensive squads in the league and one that has some of the best players in their respective positions. We WILL be under pressure if things dont go our way. The same youngsters that should be methodically introduced to the first team will now have to perform under pressure simply due to the lack of options. The likes of Sterling and Morgan should be given time at such a vital stage in their development and if we get it wrong not only is our season ruined but potentially the careers of promising young players could be hampered.

Regarding all the abuse the owners seem to be getting, does anyone really believe that the owners wanted us to send Carroll out on loan ? It makes no financial sense for them to want to do that and if anything it makes them look like mugs having forked out all that money to sign him last year. Rodgers was given 20mill+ whatever he could make from player sales. The manager was the one who decided to invest in the players he did, and he was the one to decide on the players leaving the club.