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supersub » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:09 am wrote:Aquilani decided a long time ago he did not want to ply his trade in this country...anyone thinking otherwise hasn't been paying close attention of the goings on at Anfield for the last 2 years

did he chisel that decision out in stone?
situations change and people change their minds. our last two managers wanted to go in a different direction towards a more british style so it`s not surprising aquilani didnt want to hang around here, players arent soft, when kenny brought adam and henderson in he could see the writing on the wall.
but now we have a manager with a different approach to the game, an approach that suits aquilani`s game, if he feels that he may have a chance of being a regular starter under rodgers he may decide to stay, according to his agent thats all he ever wanted, he just wanted to be in and around the starting XI but when he was being frozen out for months on end he wanted out because he was at a stage in his career (mid to late 20`s) where he wasnt prepared to sit on the bench.
odds are that he wont stay, he`s probably had enough of england but i hope he stays because he is a quality player that would improve us.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:46 am wrote:

supersub » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:09 am wrote:Aquilani decided a long time ago he did not want to ply his trade in this country...anyone thinking otherwise hasn't been paying close attention of the goings on at Anfield for the last 2 years

did he chisel that decision out in stone?
situations change and people change their minds. our last two managers wanted to go in a different direction towards a more british style so it`s not surprising aquilani didnt want to hang around here, players arent soft, when kenny brought adam and henderson in he could see the writing on the wall.
but now we have a manager with a different approach to the game, an approach that suits aquilani`s game, if he feels that he may have a chance of being a regular starter under rodgers he may decide to stay, according to his agent thats all he ever wanted, he just wanted to be in and around the starting XI but when he was being frozen out for months on end he wanted out because he was at a stage in his career (mid to late 20`s) where he wasnt prepared to sit on the bench.
odds are that he wont stay, he`s probably had enough of england but i hope he stays because he is a quality player that would improve us.

Well I agree with you anyway  Give the guy a chance, if he wants to stay lets see what he can do as a regular 1st teamer

To say he wasnt a prem player is silly
He played well for us when he was allowed to. In fact I cant think of one game he was a part of where he let us down?

He's let himself down. He has talent no doubt. BigMick was spot on re Aquilani, the bloke isn't mentally up for it - fark him and his wages off.

No doubt he has quality but for whatever reason he isn't someone we should count on being part of the future.

Penguins » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:05 pm wrote:No doubt he has quality but for whatever reason he isn't someone we should count on being part of the future.

I think this is the point.

I doubt anyone is of the opinion that he wouldnt do well if he stayed this season.

The likelihood is though, he wont.

By the way dont ever listen to what agents say, they are worse than journalists.

Aquilani is a good footballer and if he stays he should get games. Interested to see how he does in the season but I bet he does well.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:46 am wrote:

supersub » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:09 am wrote:Aquilani decided a long time ago he did not want to ply his trade in this country...anyone thinking otherwise hasn't been paying close attention of the goings on at Anfield for the last 2 years

did he chisel that decision out in stone?
situations change and people change their minds. our last two managers wanted to go in a different direction towards a more british style so it`s not surprising aquilani didnt want to hang around here, players arent soft, when kenny brought adam and henderson in he could see the writing on the wall.
but now we have a manager with a different approach to the game, an approach that suits aquilani`s game, if he feels that he may have a chance of being a regular starter under rodgers he may decide to stay, according to his agent thats all he ever wanted, he just wanted to be in and around the starting XI but when he was being frozen out for months on end he wanted out because he was at a stage in his career (mid to late 20`s) where he wasnt prepared to sit on the bench.
odds are that he wont stay, he`s probably had enough of england but i hope he stays because he is a quality player that would improve us.

I agree... Only thing is that if Rodgers play Aquilani and Carroll as striker, Carroll wouldn't know what to do with the trough balls Aquilani supplies him with 

maguskwt » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:43 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:46 am wrote:

supersub » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:09 am wrote:Aquilani decided a long time ago he did not want to ply his trade in this country...anyone thinking otherwise hasn't been paying close attention of the goings on at Anfield for the last 2 years

did he chisel that decision out in stone?
situations change and people change their minds. our last two managers wanted to go in a different direction towards a more british style so it`s not surprising aquilani didnt want to hang around here, players arent soft, when kenny brought adam and henderson in he could see the writing on the wall.
but now we have a manager with a different approach to the game, an approach that suits aquilani`s game, if he feels that he may have a chance of being a regular starter under rodgers he may decide to stay, according to his agent thats all he ever wanted, he just wanted to be in and around the starting XI but when he was being frozen out for months on end he wanted out because he was at a stage in his career (mid to late 20`s) where he wasnt prepared to sit on the bench.
odds are that he wont stay, he`s probably had enough of england but i hope he stays because he is a quality player that would improve us.

I agree... Only thing is that if Rodgers play Aquilani and Carroll as striker, Carroll wouldn't know what to do with the trough balls Aquilani supplies him with 

carroll is probably the best player at the club at keeping possession in heavy traffic, suarez, as good as he is, if he has one weakness its that when he`s leading the line and recieving the ball with his back to goal he often get outmuscled by defenders, like in the first hour of the F.A cup final for example.

It depends on how the ball is delivered into the player. If it's in the air, then you'd obviously fancy Carroll ahead of anyone else in the team, but if it's played into feet there's nobody who excels more in tight spaces than Luis Suarez so he'd be your man.

Back on topic: have we not sold this little poxbottle Aquaman yet?
Sheesh...

LFC2007 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:17 pm wrote:It depends on how the ball is delivered into the player. If it's in the air, then you'd obviously fancy Carroll ahead of anyone else in the team, but if it's played into feet there's nobody who excels more in tight spaces than Luis Suarez so he'd be your man.

i disagree, suarez is great once he`s got the ball under control but when he leads the line by himself (like in the cup final) he is easily barged off the ball by defenders, especially if they time their challenges right and arrive at the exact moment the ball arrives at suarez`s feet.
suarez doesnt particularly like leading the line and playing with his back to goal, your a static and easy target for defenders, being constantly barged in the back and barged to the floor can be frustrating for players.
he said himself near the end of last season that he likes playing with carroll because andy not only takes all the stick from the defenders he gives it back to them, and when he wins the ball he then lays it off to luis in a bit of space.
then luis can cause havoc.

But to maintain possession in tight areas, you don't just need good strength, balance and control (which Suarez has in more than good measure IMO), you need good awareness to be able to find other players in good positions, and Suarez is miles ahead of Carroll in that department. Carroll, when he's on form, is very good at bringing it down and laying it off simple, but much less capable at spinning defenders, for example, or at using his skills to extricate himself from a tricky situation, and those are the kinds of skills that make Suarez generally that much better than others at keeping hold of the ball. Carroll's better in a narrower range of situations as when he's in a straightforward physical battle with a defender, but overall, for me, there's absolutely no debate: Suarez is miles better than Carroll at keeping the ball in tight spaces.

To bring it back to Aquilani, I think it's a fair point that Magus raises about the compatibility of a player like Aquilani, playing in a team that adopts a short, sharp passing style, with a player like Carroll who appears less suited to that kind of game.

LFC2007 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:15 pm wrote:But to maintain possession in tight areas, you don't just need good strength, balance and control (which Suarez has in more than good measure IMO), you need good awareness to be able to find other players in good positions, and Suarez is miles ahead of Carroll in that department. Carroll, when he's on form, is very good at bringing it down and laying it off simple, but much less capable at spinning defenders, for example, or at using his skills to extricate himself from a tricky situation, and those are the kinds of skills that make Suarez generally that much better than others at keeping hold of the ball. Carroll's better in a narrower range of situations as when he's in a straightforward physical battle with a defender, but overall, for me, there's absolutely no debate: Suarez is miles better than Carroll at keeping the ball in tight spaces.

To bring it back to Aquilani, I think it's a fair point that Magus raises about the compatibility of a player like Aquilani, playing in a team that adopts a short, sharp passing style, with a player like Carroll who appears less suited to that kind of game.

agree that suarez is better on the ground overall than carroll but what andy does is also effective for us.he is another option in attack and in games where you cant walk or pass the ball into the net he will be valuable to have.
you never know maybe he can adapt to rodgers style and find the scoring touch needed to bag 20+ next season.he's a confident lad and he will only get better.
i see us playing better next season as a unit with plenty of support and triangles so the players need to work hard and find the angles for the passes.if were creative enough in midfield then the strikers will have loads of chances to finish.id still like one of our signings to be a striker and i do hope that he is more suited to luis but id definately keep andy carroll.
as you mentioned awareness in playing the passing game is vital but so is pace and creativity and that was our downfall last season so with practically the same squad im interested as to how we change that to a higher more fluid tempo that can get the best out of suarez.
the only way i can see aqua here is if no one wants to buy him or take him on loan and even if he is i dont see why carroll should make way for him.

Aqualani to stay with Liverpool for next season...  sounds like we've got Aquaman back for a season. Could be like a new signing for us, hope he fits into Rodgers new style.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/7889776/Aquilani-staying-with-Reds