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by **yellsub66** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:43 am

Whilst the jury is still out on whether Luis mean't to shake Evra's hand or not I read this article by Phil McNulty on the BBC website and it does seem to be a pretty balanced account, of the events of yesterday.

BBC Sport article

by **Johnny Boy** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:46 am

7_Kewell wrote:Some of us are sick and tired of our club’s name being dragged through the mud....and for what? Suarez's ego trip? If he was so innocent, why didn't the club appeal against his ban?
The rose tined brigade can pretend all they like that Suarez went to shake Evra’s hand, but the fact is he blanked him and walked on by. That, in my view, was a huge mistake.

Combine that with the fact that Kenny has (throughout this sorry saga) dissolved himself of any responsibility and you’ve got one f**king, festering mess. There’s no leadership, no moral guidance and no f**king clue form our management or player.

Right or wrong, he should have shaken his hand and moved on. Instead we’re back to f**king square one and LFC is being called a racist football club by the entire world.

I agree.

Lord knows what John Henry is thinking.

by **devaney** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:28 am

7_Kewell wrote:Some of us are sick and tired of our club’s name being dragged through the mud....and for what? Suarez's ego trip? If he was so innocent, why didn't the club appeal against his ban?
The rose tined brigade can pretend all they like that Suarez went to shake Evra’s hand, but the fact is he blanked him and walked on by. That, in my view, was a huge mistake.

Combine that with the fact that Kenny has (throughout this sorry saga) dissolved himself of any responsibility and you’ve got one f**king, festering mess. There’s no leadership, no moral guidance and no f**king clue form our management or player.

Right or wrong, he should have shaken his hand and moved on. Instead we’re back to f**king square one and LFC is being called a racist football club by the entire world.

Are you so obtuse that you find it impossible to even remotely comprehend why Liverpool did not appeal? It is not the same as appealing through a legal system and asking for the case to be reviewed by a higher authority.The FA chose to accept Evra's argument because in their view he was a more reliable and convincing witness.This was a stupid spat between two football players that nobody else heard and most importantly there was not one witness to what supposedly happened.Luis somewhat naively admitted abusing Evra in an act of verbal retaliation. Evra also admitted abusing Suarez in what could only be described a racist manner.Because of the timescales that had elapsed Suarez could not bring any action against Evra.The appeal would have been a futile exercise as nothing was going to change the mind of these individuals.Luis also accepted that the comments he made were unacceptable in this country where racist abuse is regarded as more significant than beating up an old lady! There was also very little point in going down the civil route and taking action against Evra given the lack of evidence which was the key reason why the police took no action.

You endlessly criticise Liverpool,the players and Suarez for their action and seem to totally accept Evra's argument - why? This entire incident has been blown up completely out of proportion and if you cannot see that I feel desperately sorry for you.

I stand by my original suggestion that this sorry episode could have been handled very differently.Yes Luis made some mistakes.Where the mistakes exaggerated to the maximum for reasons other than racism? Undoubtedly in my opinion and also in the opinion of any half decent Manchester United supporter.Luis's best friend is black and he is being castigated as a racist by the media,opposing fans and so-called supporters like you! The actions and the punishment did not fit the crime and that is why I along with many other fans will continue to defend Luis,the club and the players for their actions.Did Glen Johnson really have to make a bit of a fuss of Luis prior to the match kicking off? Of course he didn't! THIS CASE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM!

As for Luis not shaking Evra's hand before the kick off what did you really expect for them to hug and kiss and say see you for a pint after the game! Evra and Manchester United by association or otherwise went out of their way to cause maximum embarrassment to Liverpool FC and they have succeeded.If Suarez had shaken Evra by the hand would that not have been an admission of guilt that the press would have jumped on in their usual vile way.

I've said it before that you are an excuse of a supporter and nothing that you have ever said will change my view.

by **RedAnt** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:50 am

supersub wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Any of us would know, if we had been charged with racism, then refused to shake a black mans hand, the whole world would destroy us (not just media, everyone.. opposing fans, players, society) and throw every accusation under the sun in our direction.

He never refused to shake "a black mans hand" , he refused to shake the hand of a liar ...try not to fall into the media trap

Well said mate. This is not a matter of race or any other tag the media wanna put on it. It's not even about sport. The decision to shake another mans hand is entirely your own. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY has the right to dictate wether we shake a mans hand or not. It's our own, personal and private decision. Suarez chose not to. Every single Liverpool fan, or every person living in a democratic world should back his right to choose and not persecute him for it.

Please don't let the FA, the media, the PC-Pigs, or Manure and Fergie divide and ruin our team, club and history. Stand behind our player.

It comes down to two simple choises. You stand with Saurez, or you stand against him. To stand against him isn't to take a neautral stance, no, it's to stand with Fergie, and Manure, and Evra, and the Fa, and it's to take the media's bait and join the witchhunt for our Luis.

Stand with Kenny and support our chosen stance, or Luis will see his own team against him too and he will leave us.

by **RedAnt** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:53 am

eds wrote:Reading through all the comments over the last few hours in the Manure vs Liverpool game it makes my heart sink at how much sheepery there is amongst our so called fan group. Sheeps that have been blinded and twisted by an evil empire known as the media.

This 7__Kewell fella and his minions are a JOKE of supporters, he has the audacity to call himself a fan when it is PLAIN AS DAY THAT Luis and our club have been wronged here.

Luis Suarez is a modern day hero, a man that stands by his beliefs has to be applauded as the whole world turns on him at the same time. That's what what made Muhammad Ali great, that's what made Rubin "The Hurricane" Carter's story immortal. Injustice and racism have nothing to do with someone's skin colour, it is the way they are treated and stereotyped as a human being . He is South American, so he MUST be a cheater, he MUST be a diver, he MUST miss the same ethics and morals of our upstanding and 'non-racist' civil ENGLISH society. It makes me angry reading this s**t EVEN coming from our own so called "fans", hang your heads in shame you f**king muppets. The contempt and vile criticism he has received from England and its media is downright SHAMEFUL.

Was Luis Suarez the cause of the unmitigated disaster that saw the French national team self-implode at the world cup in 2010? Who was their captain at the tournament?

Was Luis Suarez the one that cried wolf and called a Chelsea groundsman a racist? No it was a vile and sick club that made that baseless accusation. The same club that stood behind a drunk wife beating alcoholic captain for so many years and another french idiot that thought he was the next Bruce Lee.

Was Luis Suarez responsible for the unprecendented verbal attack and racist comments made to him earlier this season by a certain individual hell bent on making a mockery of modern day football authority?

Was Luis Suarez guilty of using his own language to defend himself against this disgusting behaviour? Of using a term PERFECTLY acceptable in his own language. Remind me England is a democracy YOU ARE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS YOURSELF IN WHICH EVER WAY YOU SIT FIT, YEAH?

Was Luis Suarez responsible for being gutted and feeling down right robbed when he was given a mind blowing 8 match ban on ORIGINAL CLAIMS that were NEVER PROVEN?!?

Was Luis Suarez guilty of not shaking the same individual's hand a few months later? The same person who kicked off all this "boy who cried wolf" nonsense and HAS never apologised for the racist comments he directed at Suarez that day. Sorry England is a democracy isn't it? People are allowed to do whatever they like, INCLUDING NOT shaking the hands of vile criminal racist little c**ts that hid behind their club and the tabloids.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, was Luis Suarez responsible for running up to the Liverpool team and wanting to punch on at half-time because their tiny little ego had self imploded yet again? The same little ego that caused one of the most disgusting unsporting scenes in history of English football at the end of the match, which we all know will not get investigated because Luis Suarez is a villan in everyone's eyes.

Manure may have won the game, but Little Luis was still able to score in front of hostile crowd, something few players could have mustered. He stood by his principles and I'm sure the club will back him AGAIN, I stand by Liverpool FC and am proud as punch that I don't support that scum of a club.

Boycott every single rag and media outlet that spews this garbage from this day onwards fellas. Stand together in standing up for your club and our players.

The truth will one day come out and we will all find out this was all just a disgusting devious ploy to unsettle us and the faith we have in our best player. I know which side I stand on.

YOU WILL NEVER WALK ALONE LUIS. NEVER.

And I applaud this post. That's pretty much 'how it it' in my eyes.

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:06 am

ok i have held off posting about this but.
i dont give a :censored:

that Suarez took it apon himself not to shake his had, that is up to him. over the years other players have done the same, but one thing that has got to me is that some fans are trying to make it that Evra moved his had away. sorry even if he did tip his hand down the hand was still there to be shaken.

the media were all talking about the hand shake before the game, most of us fans said something about the handshake before the game aswel.
so our club should have asked Suarez if he was going to do it or not, then Evra could have been told this was going to happen.
as this was not the case it has once again made the media stick the knife into our club once again.

The whole thing did not need to happen.
did kenny know it was going to happen? well if he did not then he should have, he is the manager.

I think our club has got the whole thing wrong from the start of all this.
am i a real fan if i can say this about my club?
well there are a few of us that post on this forum that go to lots of games, that pay our money to see them play and have done so for 30 years, so yes i do call myself a true liverpool fan but i will still stand up and say when i think we have got it wrong.

we all know what Evra is like and we should have taken the higher ground from the start , but no we started to send out letters in the press to made the club look silly.

we are bigger and better than that and i am shocked that we got it so wrong.

Evra has the media on his side and we can not change that, most if not all the sports media are not based in manc land now so its always going to be hard to get the media to see the other side.

by **dawson99** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:08 am

The fallout is harsher than I thought it would be I have to admit, some rocky days ahead

PS - has anyone got a more annoying voice than Gordon Taylor?

by **devaney** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:56 am

dawson99 wrote:The fallout is harsher than I thought it would be I have to admit, some rocky days ahead

PS - has anyone got a more annoying voice than Gordon Taylor?

Yes that pr.ick Ferguson

by **redtrader74** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:02 pm

dawson99 wrote:The fallout is harsher than I thought it would be I have to admit, some rocky days ahead

PS - has anyone got a more annoying voice than Gordon Taylor?

The fallout is because wank3r journalists, commentators and radio jocks are too scared to side with someone who is the perceived racist. Even Hansen couldn't say fck all, only weeks ago he had to apologise for saying coloured, ffs people aren't allowed to say anything in their own Common vernacular.

The sh!t storm is down to the madness of political correctness, where anyone who's opinion is outside of the 'expected' is in fear of being labelled racist. People who now espouse the virtues of stamping down on the faintest whiff, the most tenuous of links to a possible racial slur, the Gordon taylors, fergies, FA board members, were around when there was real racism. Where were they when John Barnes heard monkey chants and had bananas thrown at him?

by **Reg** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:23 pm

I'll say it yet again, he's a walking timebomb. I'm inclined to think better to get rid of him at the end of the season and find someone better suited to play alongside Carol. He's mentally unstable.

by **burjennio** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:24 pm

Tomorrows S*n headline reads:

"Luis killed Whitney"

by **RedAnt** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:26 pm

Reg wrote:I'll say it yet again, he's a walking timebomb. I'm inclined to think better to get rid of him at the end of the season and find someone better suited to play alongside Carol. He's mentally unstable.

That's not a nice comment

Why's he mentally unstable? Because his actions weren't the same as what you think yours would have been? You say mentally unstable. I say passionate. He made his choice. Just because it's not aligned with your choice dosen't make it wrong.

by **supersub** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:32 pm

7_Kewell wrote:Some of us are sick and tired of our club’s name being dragged through the mud....and for what? Suarez's ego trip? If he was so innocent, why didn't the club appeal against his ban?
The rose tined brigade can pretend all they like that Suarez went to shake Evra’s hand, but the fact is he blanked him and walked on by. That, in my view, was a huge mistake.

Combine that with the fact that Kenny has (throughout this sorry saga) dissolved himself of any responsibility and you’ve got one f**king, festering mess. There’s no leadership, no moral guidance and no f**king clue form our management or player.

Right or wrong, he should have shaken his hand and moved on. Instead we’re back to f**king square one and LFC is being called a racist football club by the entire world.

you are a disgrace

by **Reg** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:33 pm

No mate, its fairly obvious he's unstable. Ask the lad who had half his head bit off. If you watch his games, the constant moaning, mini tantrums in front of referee and linesman, he's begging or a card the whole time. He doesn't seem to understand how to conduct himself to gain respect and support from officials. Ever see michael own acting like that?

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:33 pm

Former Liverpool defender Alan Hansen said on the BBC's Match of the Day: "The rhetoric from both clubs before the game was restraint. Liverpool said there would be a handshake, so for Suarez to snub Evra is totally unacceptable. Liverpool have given Suarez total support through thick and thin and I think he's let Kenny down, he's let the club down and he's let himself down."

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