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by **Kerry07** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:27 am

devaney wrote:He was given a ridiculously difficult job to do in the first half yesterday which made he look a lot worse than he really is. I'm no fan of Andy's style but we bought him and he should be used properly and given some decent service. I know his shortcomings and he has got to work on them. In the second half when Kenny changed things Andy made a serious contribution which ultimately lead to us winning the game.We made heavy weather of beating a very average United team and frankly we owe Andy and Dirk a debt of gratitude. WELL DONE ANDY! Just keep it up.

Agree with all of this.

It was irrelevant who we had upfront for the first hour as we didn't get a kick in midfield. Kenny playing Carragher as a holding midfielder was strange to say the least, the first hour was a write off. We had 38% possession at Anfield. Once Adam came on we got a bit of a foothold in midfield, and hey presto we see the forwards who finally got some service.

Carroll didnt do anything different against Man U than any of his previous games.. the difference was other people who provided more direct ball that he is suited to (we became Newcastle for 25 minutes). If Pepe doesnt launch that ball downfield which he flicked on, if Downing doesnt swing in the cross he hammers against the bar.. Carroll has the same game as previous. If Carroll has a quiet game its not because hes playing c'rap, its because hes not being used in the direct manner that suits him. Hes a player 100% totally reliant on direct service. This is the player Kenny signed, you cant change him, which is why Kennys comment; "no direspect to Newcastle but they played a different way to us", is all the more baffling. Why buy a player who thrived in a style that you openly state we dont play?

by **alwayslfc** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:36 am

Kerry07 wrote:
devaney wrote:He was given a ridiculously difficult job to do in the first half yesterday which made he look a lot worse than he really is. I'm no fan of Andy's style but we bought him and he should be used properly and given some decent service. I know his shortcomings and he has got to work on them. In the second half when Kenny changed things Andy made a serious contribution which ultimately lead to us winning the game.We made heavy weather of beating a very average United team and frankly we owe Andy and Dirk a debt of gratitude. WELL DONE ANDY! Just keep it up.

Agree with all of this.

It was irrelevant who we had upfront for the first hour as we didn't get a kick in midfield. Kenny playing Carragher as a holding midfielder was strange to say the least, the first hour was a write off. We had 38% possession at Anfield. Once Adam came on we got a bit of a foothold in midfield, and hey presto we see the forwards who finally got some service.

Carroll didnt do anything different against Man U than any of his previous games.. the difference was other people who provided more direct ball that he is suited to (we became Newcastle for 25 minutes). If Pepe doesnt launch that ball downfield which he flicked on, if Downing doesnt swing in the cross he hammers against the bar.. Carroll has the same game as previous. If Carroll has a quiet game its not because hes playing c'rap, its because hes not being used in the direct manner that suits him. Hes a player 100% totally reliant on direct service. This is the player Kenny signed, you cant change him, which is why Kennys comment; "no direspect to Newcastle but they played a different way to us", is all the more baffling. Why buy a player who thrived in a style that you openly state we dont play?

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The answer to that is simply, he was a panic buy at the last minute of last year's transfer window. Has anyone done a panic buy at a supermarket? I have, you just buy it without giving much thought to its suitability.

by **RedAnt** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:50 am

I bought some socks from Primark once. Wasn't a panic buy persé..but a totaly waste of money. Pulled 'em on and the top half ripped off. I'm gonna start a Primark thread.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:55 am

Carroll was well worth the money on saturday. His involvement and impact on the game were there for all to see. Unlucky with the header hitting the bar (again) so lets hope the penny has dropped and he shows as much passion and determination as he did against the skanks.

by **RedAnt** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:03 am

Thommo's perm wrote:Carroll was well worth the money on saturday. His involvement and impact on the game were there for all to see. Unlucky with the header hitting the bar (again) so lets hope the penny has dropped and he shows as much passion and determination as he did against the skanks.

This whole Tevez rumour concerns me. I get a feeling that Andy has looked more settled recently. Not especially productive, but he's looked more interested, more passionate, more involved. These rumours appearing just a couple of days before deadline day seem VERY ill timed. Part of me hopes it's just the press with their vendetta against us, trying to unsettle him. Yet to me it certainly seems like there's elements of truth in the rumour. Apparently Liverpool have refused to comment 'like they always do on speculation'. Odd that. When there's no truth in it, we always come out and say so.

by **worcester_red** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:41 am

Thommo's perm wrote:Carroll was well worth the money on saturday. His involvement and impact on the game were there for all to see. Unlucky with the header hitting the bar (again) so lets hope the penny has dropped and he shows as much passion and determination as he did against the skanks.

sorry but I didn't see it, can you explain to me what his impact was as I was watching it with a few neutral friends who could not believe how utterly cr@p he is, they really were amazed that he ever cost £35million.

please explain what he gives to the team, is it his endless running and tracking back, his natural goal threat, his positional sense, his astounding technical abilities? Please please tell me because I want to believe he isn't complete and utter garbage, I really do.

by **worcester_red** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:43 am

RedAnt wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Carroll was well worth the money on saturday. His involvement and impact on the game were there for all to see. Unlucky with the header hitting the bar (again) so lets hope the penny has dropped and he shows as much passion and determination as he did against the skanks.

This whole Tevez rumour concerns me. I get a feeling that Andy has looked more settled recently. Not especially productive, but he's looked more interested, more passionate, more involved. These rumours appearing just a couple of days before deadline day seem VERY ill timed. Part of me hopes it's just the press with their vendetta against us, trying to unsettle him. Yet to me it certainly seems like there's elements of truth in the rumour. Apparently Liverpool have refused to comment 'like they always do on speculation'. Odd that. When there's no truth in it, we always come out and say so.

but who would you rather have Tevez with a point to prove or Carroll, even if he could somehow remember where the f'ing goal is.

by **RedAnt** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:53 am

I thought Carroll was good on Saturday. He worked hard and did a pretty thankless job up front alone. The one main improvment on his performance though was that he was lively and looked up for it. That in itself is enough to worry defenders. He played a massive part in our first goal, really putting De Gea off. Is it good play to stand in front of a keeper like a brick wall? Not especially, but it's effective and really got us the goal (Though of course it wasn't the only reason the goal was scored.) He also got an assist and hit the bar. Most importantly though I think he rediscovered his love for the game and almost remembered that he can actually play football! If that continues, we'll see a vastly improving Carroll over the next few games (so long as all these rumours haven't upset him.

Remember that nobody ever said Gary Linekar was :censored:

, yet he never did anything other than stick the ball in the net...A LOT. The principle of my point, if Carroll does nothing at all in a game except create 3 goals, or score 3 goals, or get in the way of the keeper 3 times while others score 3 goals, is he worth having in the team? Carroll was very effective against Manure.

by **worcester_red** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:03 pm

RedAnt wrote:I thought Carroll was good on Saturday. He worked hard and did a pretty thankless job up front alone. The one main improvment on his performance though was that he was lively and looked up for it. That in itself is enough to worry defenders. He played a massive part in our first goal, really putting De Gea off. Is it good play to stand in front of a keeper like a brick wall? Not especially, but it's effective and really got us the goal (Though of course it wasn't the only reason the goal was scored.) He also got an assist and hit the bar. Most importantly though I think he rediscovered his love for the game and almost remembered that he can actually play football! If that continues, we'll see a vastly improving Carroll over the next few games (so long as all these rumours haven't upset him.

Remember that nobody ever said Gary Linekar was , yet he never did anything other than stick the ball in the net...A LOT. The principle of my point, if Carroll does nothing at all in a game except create 3 goals, or score 3 goals, or get in the way of the keeper 3 times while others score 3 goals, is he worth having in the team? Carroll was very effective against Manure.

I hope you're right, I really really do but I just find him totally frustrating to watch, lazy and without ability, a bad combination :-(. Hopefully he'll remember how to play one day.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:05 pm

I dont getthis "lazy" tag that some people have labelled him with.

He didnt stop working on Saturday.

Because he doesnt have lightening speed he doesnt run round an chase defenders like Bellamy does, but it would be pointless if he did as he simply does not have the pace for that.

I cant see any other reason people would call him lazy

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:32 pm

worcester_red wrote:
RedAnt wrote:I thought Carroll was good on Saturday. He worked hard and did a pretty thankless job up front alone. The one main improvment on his performance though was that he was lively and looked up for it. That in itself is enough to worry defenders. He played a massive part in our first goal, really putting De Gea off. Is it good play to stand in front of a keeper like a brick wall? Not especially, but it's effective and really got us the goal (Though of course it wasn't the only reason the goal was scored.) He also got an assist and hit the bar. Most importantly though I think he rediscovered his love for the game and almost remembered that he can actually play football! If that continues, we'll see a vastly improving Carroll over the next few games (so long as all these rumours haven't upset him.

Remember that nobody ever said Gary Linekar was , yet he never did anything other than stick the ball in the net...A LOT. The principle of my point, if Carroll does nothing at all in a game except create 3 goals, or score 3 goals, or get in the way of the keeper 3 times while others score 3 goals, is he worth having in the team? Carroll was very effective against Manure.

I hope you're right, I really really do but I just find him totally frustrating to watch, lazy and without ability, a bad combination :-(. Hopefully he'll remember how to play one day.

He wasn't lazy on Saturday and he played a massive part in both the goals that put those whinging Manc sh.itbags out of the cup!

GIVE THE LAD A FKG BREAK! After the subs came on on Saturday and he actually started getting some service his contribution was invaluable.

by **Octsky** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:46 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:I dont getthis "lazy" tag that some people have labelled him with.

He didnt stop working on Saturday.

Because he doesnt have lightening speed he doesnt run round an chase defenders like Bellamy does, but it would be pointless if he did as he simply does not have the pace for that.

I cant see any other reason people would call him lazy

well he did good on sat. i dont want to take anything away from
him because it is a good performance but i also dont want to heap too much praises on him becoz he isnt consistent enough.

it take consistency to win the league and the lad doesnt show it enough.

the lazy tag..most of the time he slowly jog back into the opposition box when out of position.
he lose 50% of aerial challenges and his touch is poor. this are the areas he need to improve in. and he be a dangerous player.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:52 pm

spends a lot of time waving his arms about complaining at teammates

by **RedAnt** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:59 pm

Roger Red Hat wrote:spends a lot of time waving his arms about complaining at teammates

You're lil avatar guy there spends half his time waving his arms around, and the other half sticking his tongue out. What's your point?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:03 pm

RedAnt wrote:
Roger Red Hat wrote:spends a lot of time waving his arms about complaining at teammates

You're lil avatar guy there spends half his time waving his arms around, and the other half sticking his tongue out. What's your point?

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