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[worcester_red]

Did we really offer a swap with Tevez? Soemtimes we really mess ourselves up

Club deny it, papers swear by it.

I don't know who to believe...

I wouldn't have minded a swap for Tevez if he went down in salary. Still a nut job though. That swap has more to me doubting Andys talent though..

I wouldn't let him clean the bogs! Sounds like a complete p.iss take to me!

are you being serious you would rather have Carroll than Tevez who has a point to prove, not least in terms of securing a big money move in the summer. I would take Tevez every frigging day of the week, in fact I'd take almost anybody instead of Carroll, certainly any other striker we've had in the last 20 years. Is there not one of our youngsters who is better than him, I find that so bloody depressing for the future.

[devaney]

Did we really offer a swap with Tevez? Soemtimes we really mess ourselves up

Club deny it, papers swear by it.

I don't know who to believe...

I wouldn't have minded a swap for Tevez if he went down in salary. Still a nut job though. That swap has more to me doubting Andys talent though..

I wouldn't let him clean the bogs! Sounds like a complete p.iss take to me!

are you being serious you would rather have Carroll than Tevez who has a point to prove, not least in terms of securing a big money move in the summer. I would take Tevez every frigging day of the week, in fact I'd take almost anybody instead of Carroll, certainly any other striker we've had in the last 20 years. Is there not one of our youngsters who is better than him, I find that so bloody depressing for the future.

Can't be ars.ed debating it with you mate. If you and your neutral mates couldn't see what he contributed towards both the goals on Saturday then what's the point of trying to convince you differently?

As for Tevez he is an extremely temperamental, highly disruptive influence that will and always has caused problems wherever he goes.We spent years trying to rid the club of disruption and you would happily welcome Tevez into the club. I despair to be honest at the very thought.

[woof woof !]

I would have thought that a striker with no natural ability would be as disruptive, can you imagine the frustration of feeding him the ball only for him to feck it up time after time after time, and the lazy sod not even being bothered to try and win it back.

I honestly have no idea what you guys see in him, I thought he contributed zero to the game on saturday, he may as well not have been on the pitch.

[dawson99]

erm.. winning goal?
When he ran back 50 yards to tackle Scholes?

The guy was good for us

[alwayslfc]

The lad played an improved game against Manure ie the flick on for Kuyt to grab the winner, hitting the bar with a header in the dying moments. But still he's not worth 35 mill, 15 million IMO at the most.

Anyone with a right mind will agree a 35 million striker is a prolific striker in the calibre of Rush, Fowler, Owen, Aldo.

A.C. style of play is not suited to Liverpool and doesn't look like he'll ever perform to justify the price we paid for him. I feel sorry for the lad. Apparently he never wanted to leave Newc, he was pushed out of the door by their money hungry owner.

[red till i die!!]

carroll showed the type of player he is on saturday with a hand in both goals.
he was instrumental in the 1st when he got himself between the keeper and the defence and that allowed agger to rise unchallenged and nod it home.
the second was a great flick on and thats the 2nd direct assist he had inside 4 days so that is a sign he is improving and his confidence is growing.
he doesnt suit pass and move but he is another option if the former isnt working and then he should be thrown on and we switch to a more direct style where we get the ball wide and find him in the box.
he maintains he is happy here and is beginning to find a bit of form and better understanding with his teammates so i hope to see him kick on and finish out the rest of the season in good form.
regardless of whether people rate him or not you cant deny that he had a big hand in us getting to a final and progressing closer to another.
like i said hopefully we see the best of him from here on in.

True, and that is his role, but did we really spend 35million for an extra option? A player who we can throw in if things arent going well so we resort to plan B and start launching it into the box. The 8th most expensive player in history.. an extra option?

You pay 35million for a nailed on starter.

Judging by reports, Andy Carroll has the rest of this season to show something he has yet to show. Flick ons and headers is not 35 million, Kenny is expecting more. Although we won ugly against Man U, we were right to play direct and exploit their weakness in the air (no Vidic/Ferdinand and have a keeper terrified of crosses). The game against Man City we played on the floor and were much better, Bellamy outstanding, and we dominated them for long spells. Thats the method that we aspire to play and unless Andy Carroll can develop his game to be more than flicks on and headers, he won't be here long.

look no way was he worth what we paid,we know it,kenny knows it and so does carroll but hey 'we signed him anyway.
the price was that because we mugged chelsea and newcastle knew we had it to spend.from newcastles point i can see why they wanted £35mil for him.
he is young,scored 11 goals in the months before we signed him,became an international also,so his stock was always rising.
they made sure they were covering themselves and if we did(albeit rumours) only pay 25 with the rest in add ons then that was sensible of the club and its prob 10 mil that newcastle will never see.
before you say it yes we did overpay at 25 also but the reality of it is that he's here and we have no choice but to play him and hope the coaches get through to him to up his game.
if he's gone in the summer so be it but while he's here he is a different option in attack and its no harm having that especially since he has contributed in his last 2 matches.

[Octsky]

why do people said that Carroll was involved in both goals?
Kyut's goal yes. but Agger's goal? i dont think so...
did i miss something??

[ethanr]

why do people said that Carroll was involved in both goals?
Kyut's goal yes. but Agger's goal? i dont think so...
did i miss something??

He was the one that got in the way of De Gea, and basically made it impossible for him to get to the ball, so Agger had a completely free header 3 yards out.

If it wasn't for Carroll then De Gea wouldn't have had a problem grabbing that cross.

[devaney]

why do people said that Carroll was involved in both goals?
Kyut's goal yes. but Agger's goal? i dont think so...
did i miss something??

He was the one that got in the way of De Gea, and basically made it impossible for him to get to the ball, so Agger had a completely free header 3 yards out.

If it wasn't for Carroll then De Gea wouldn't have had a problem grabbing that cross.

Sh.it was it really that difficult to see?? I'm not the lads biggest fan but the cr.ap he get's on here is idiotic.When he does something the haters don't even see it.I'm beginning to feel for the lad!

[Octsky]

why do people said that Carroll was involved in both goals?
Kyut's goal yes. but Agger's goal? i dont think so...
did i miss something??

He was the one that got in the way of De Gea, and basically made it impossible for him to get to the ball, so Agger had a completely free header 3 yards out.

If it wasn't for Carroll then De Gea wouldn't have had a problem grabbing that cross.

he blocked de gaa so he was involved with the goal?
well, an oversize cardboard figure that cost 35 pounds can also achieve the same thing right ?

his flick on for Kuty is good but i dont buy the blocking de gaa story.

[RedAnt]

I've said it time and time again that Carroll at 23 years old isn't the finished article. We bought him at 22 years old for £35m.

Consider this: We paid £35m for his potential. We've invested in him. When he's 28 years old he might have bagged several hundred goals for us. It's a gamble, sure. But we paid £35m for the potential and would be absolute fools to sell him for anything less. What if we sell him to City or something for a knock down price and they reap the rewards of the potential we paid £35m for? That's bad business.

Hypoythetically, if you had a time machine and went 5 years into the future and saw Carroll knocking in goals for fun, capped 100 times for England, wouldn't he have been worth paying £35m for?

Carroll's a gamble we've taken. Don't throw our bet away. That would be simple idiocy. Moving him on wont achieve anything. Do we really need the 10, 15 million we might get for him? Hardly even buys a footballers leg these days.

I view it as £35m is his potential fee, but paid in advance. It keeps the other big clubs off. He might never reach a £35m status, but then again....he just might. We took a punt. Glad to see our owners and staff prepared to do so.

He's not the first striker to have a bad first season at a new club, and he sure as heck wont be the last.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

plus he does seem to be improving every game he plays!  That means he is going in the right direction.

[worcester_red]

plus he does seem to be improving every game he plays!  That means he is going in the right direction.

in what way improving, and I absolutely 100% guarantee that Carroll will never get 100 caps or being score goals for fun. The boy has zero talent, I know you guys with your rose tinted specs want to see the best in everyone and that's a lovely sentiment but in the real world you have to get rid of whats not working and Carroll is NOT working nor is he improving, nor does he have any talent or future as a footballer (at least not at a big club).

[jacdaniel]

Off topic... but this thread is buggered for me.  Keeps hanging me PC and takes a good 2 mins to load.  Then I have to click a page back

[Penguins]

Well, he is a very limited player but he does very well, what he is good at.
I am a believer if our midfield wasn't totally **** at providing the right balls and having the ability to establish play further up the field, Caroll would do much better.
But let's not kid ourself, we got taken for a ride here.
Potential or no potential, we bought a 15 million striker for 35 million, cause someone was foolish.
As you can ses, I still think he is a good striker but I am sorry, when you pay 35 million(almost twice what we have ever payed for a player) I expect goals and a difference maker.

The money is important cause we could have saved the money until the summer(Caroll was injured anyway for the season almost) and evaluated our options then. We would have a larger warchest and not pay overinflated january prices.