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by **maguskwt** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:56 pm

PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

have you forgotten that the 2 camps were called "anti" and "pro"? Those people who gave Rafa so much criticism is because they are anti-rafa moreso than they are being faithful... Rafa was called names like that fat spanish waiter... ( now we know that they are racist thanks to the precedence set by the FA

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by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:02 pm

PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC)

Do you mean sat firmly on the bench :kungfu:

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:03 pm

maguskwt wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

have you forgotten that the 2 camps were called "anti" and "pro"? Those people who gave Rafa so much criticism is because they are anti-rafa moreso than they are being faithful... Rafa was called names like that fat spanish waiter... ( now we know that they are racist thanks to the precedence set by the FA )

For me there still seems to be two camps

1. The guys that liked Rafa and now like Kenny

2. The guys that wanted Rafa gone , wanted Hodgson and stuck up for him and now are questioning Kenny.

by **PabloMedina28** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:08 pm

maguskwt wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

have you forgotten that the 2 camps were called "anti" and "pro"? Those people who gave Rafa so much criticism is because they are anti-rafa moreso than they are being faithful... Rafa was called names like that fat spanish waiter... ( now we know that they are racist thanks to the precedence set by the FA )

I know mate im just taking the :censored:

coz the majority of the supporters i came across who wanted rafa out were the old ones who'd lived through the glory years and been to every home game since 1954 the ones who would spit out the word foreigner like it killed them even say the word.

The same lads i speak to know who lay all the blame on the french guy Commoli

by **worcester_red** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:25 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

have you forgotten that the 2 camps were called "anti" and "pro"? Those people who gave Rafa so much criticism is because they are anti-rafa moreso than they are being faithful... Rafa was called names like that fat spanish waiter... ( now we know that they are racist thanks to the precedence set by the FA )

For me there still seems to be two camps

1. The guys that liked Rafa and now like Kenny

2. The guys that wanted Rafa gone , wanted Hodgson and stuck up for him and now are questioning Kenny.

erm did anyone actually stick up for and want Hodgson, if so name and shame.

by **PabloMedina28** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:28 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC)

Do you mean sat firmly on the bench

You obviously dont watch much AC matches he might not be the first name on the team sheet but hes still played the majority of the games and been playing great

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:32 pm

PabloMedina28 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC)

Do you mean sat firmly on the bench

You obviously dont watch much AC matches he might not be the first name on the team sheet but hes still played the majority of the games and been playing great

Every time they have been on ESPN and during CL matches he more than often not seems sat on the bench and in some games not even in the squad, but mainly as a sub.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:34 pm

PabloMedina28 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC)

Do you mean sat firmly on the bench

You obviously dont watch much AC matches he might not be the first name on the team sheet but hes still played the majority of the games and been playing great

Alberto Aquilani

Played 15(5)

Scored 1

Yellows 4

Reds 0

AC Milan played 19 currently second behind Juventus by one point

by **PabloMedina28** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:39 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC)

Do you mean sat firmly on the bench

You obviously dont watch much AC matches he might not be the first name on the team sheet but hes still played the majority of the games and been playing great

Alberto Aquilani

Played 15(5)

Scored 1

Yellows 4

Reds 0

AC Milan played 19 currently second behind Juventus by one point

Whats ur point? i said hes not the first name on the team sheet and hes still played about 80% of the games and played well when he has. Hed walk into our team. AC are not overplaying him so he doesnt burnout, hes still quality when called on. Its a squad game ya see.

by **PabloMedina28** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:41 pm

Id rather have Aqualiani for 25-30 games a season then Adam for 50

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:47 pm

PabloMedina28 wrote:Id rather have Aqualiani for 25-30 games a season then Adam for 50

Its such a shame he wont play in the prem and its too rough and tumble for his brittle bones.

by **Penguins** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:50 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Thats another thing Penguins that pisses me off about the "faithful" why was Rafa, our best manager since Paisley critised so much for his signing of Aquilani (injured at the time) used as a stick to best him out the club with by an alarming ammount of our supporters and Kenny wasnt for signing Carroll? Atleast Aqua is a top class player ( look at him now for AC) Like u say aswell Rafa made more great signings (first teamers) then bad ones.

Yet the "faithful" dont give Kenny the same stick for spunking away 80 million in the summer, they blame Commoli. If u think Adams, Carroll, Downing where the type of signings Commoli makes then u dont know .

have you forgotten that the 2 camps were called "anti" and "pro"? Those people who gave Rafa so much criticism is because they are anti-rafa moreso than they are being faithful... Rafa was called names like that fat spanish waiter... ( now we know that they are racist thanks to the precedence set by the FA )

For me there still seems to be two camps

1. The guys that liked Rafa and now like Kenny

2. The guys that wanted Rafa gone , wanted Hodgson and stuck up for him and now are questioning Kenny.

I don't care who is manager as long as they are treated the same and the ambition and demands are the same.

I don't want us to fall back into a midtable club just cause KK is the manager.

So it doesn't work. We move on and the manager moves on, simple as. We can't just sweep 80 million under the rug and say we just need another 80 million.
I doesn't work that way for any manager(ok maybe city's).

The last and biggest spending spree was the biggest failure the club has ever faced if you look at the money spent.
And rivaling that year when Houliier lost his marbles.

Heck Rafa got Torres, Alonso, Masch, Reina, Lucas for much less than Caroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam cost.
We as a club has never been allowed to mess signings up.

When we sign good one like those above by Rafa we did well, but when he got a few wrong it went poorly.
Same with Souness, Houllier and so on and so on.

No matter what tactics you use, you live and die by the signings you make as you will only go as far as they take you.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:56 pm

You will also get nowhere by chopping and changing managers every 18 months, that will achieve next to :censored:

all and will ensure we don't move on as a club .

Unfortunatly too many of our fan base are demanding instant results just because Kenny spent a bit of money - its only been 6 months ffs . Kenny will need time to set up a foundation , that won't please the fans who demanding results right not but thankfully I think our owners will realise it is no overnight quick fix .

by **Penguins** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:00 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:You will also get nowhere by chopping and changing managers every 18 months, that will achieve next to all and will ensure we don't move on as a club .

Unfortunatly too many of our fan base are demanding instant results just because Kenny spent a bit of money - its only been 6 months ffs . Kenny will need time to set up a foundation , that won't please the fans who demanding results right not but thankfully I think our owners will realise it is no overnight quick fix .

I don't want to change and chop managers, but it was a little bit more than a little bit of money.

4 offensive signings that has contributed practically zero offensivly. Sitting a 7th just can't be justified for me combined with the dross we are playing right now.

He has still given chance after chance to Adam, Downing, henderson and they still fail to produce anything on the pitch and that is infurating at time. We spent a shedload of money are getting nothing in return. We could just as well have spent nothing and still be around where we are at the table.

by **PabloMedina28** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:01 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:Id rather have Aqualiani for 25-30 games a season then Adam for 50

Its such a shame he wont play in the prem and its too rough and tumble for his brittle bones.

Im sorry lad do u have a problem with me?

I seem to remember poor little briitle boned Aqualiani doing pretty well for himself when he did play after his injury infact id say in the same boat as the other attacking players Torres and Gerrard in being on a different wavelength to the others.

He was never given the chance after that.

I take it by ur attitude u disagree with me saying Rafa and Kenny deserve the same treatment form teh supporters?

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