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by **yellsub66** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:33 pm

Hey Thommo..I don't think that Carroll should be the focal point for yesterday's :censored:

performance..he did after all provide an assist to Bellamy.

There were plenty of other players who were desperately poor:-

Adam
Johnson
Kuyt
Downing
Maxi

....to name but a few!

However the time for Carroll to be shipped out is now! He is not good enough, just like N'gog wasn't good enough, or Babel wasn't good enough or Voronin or countless others. The huge fee is irrelavent. Newcastle mugged us, just like we mugged Chelsea...modern football at it's very worst..paying exorbitant amounts for players!

We can't carry Carroll any longer...we are a much better team without him.

by **Octsky** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:39 pm

yesterday the whole team is sleeping esp the defense.
Agger and Enrique were dreaming, the biggest dreamer is Johnson.
Maxi is wasteful, and Carroll... he cant even trap the ball...
i remember Crouch not scoring his 1st goal untill his 17th games but he offered
us so much. Carroll only hinder the attack with his poor touch.
He wont make it at LFC, sadly to say.
i didnt saw Rushie first season with us, i heard it was bad, but was it a bad as Carroll?
can any old boys enlighten me?

by **LittleHobo** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:40 pm

i dont care if carrol is currently under par

We just play a damn sight better when carroll isnt on the pitch

by **LittleHobo** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:45 pm

Octsky wrote:yesterday the whole team is sleeping esp the defense.
Agger and Enrique were dreaming, the biggest dreamer is Johnson.
Maxi is wasteful, and Carroll... he cant even trap the ball...
i remember Crouch not scoring his 1st goal untill his 17th games but he offered
us so much. Carroll only hinder the attack with his poor touch.
He wont make it at LFC, sadly to say.
i didnt saw Rushie first season with us, i heard it was bad, but was it a bad as Carroll?
can any old boys enlighten me?

in rushes first season he played 9 and scored 0

in his next season he scored 30

by **parchpea** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:45 pm

Why dont they just get shut so we can start over. Im sick of it now.

Carroll is stinking the place out and I doubt he wanted to move here in the first place and thats half his trouble.

Every time he takes to the field he turns us into a laughing stock and I dont think its helping him or the team in general to be quite honest.

by **Octsky** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:48 pm

yellsub66 wrote:Hey Thommo..I don't think that Carroll should be the focal point for yesterday's performance..he did after all provide an assist to Bellamy.

There were plenty of other players who were desperately poor:-

Adam
Johnson
Kuyt
Downing
Maxi

....to name but a few!

However the time for Carroll to be shipped out is now! He is not good enough, just like N'gog wasn't good enough, or Babel wasn't good enough or Voronin or countless others. The huge fee is irrelavent. Newcastle mugged us, just like we mugged Chelsea...modern football at it's very worst..paying exorbitant amounts for players!

We can't carry Carroll any longer...we are a much better team without him.

we rejected a 75m bid from citeh for judas 2 seasons back, when the 50m drops in and judas handed in a transfer request. it was all over, the 50m valuation looked about right. or u can say that chelsh1t mugged us.

barcodes rejected a 25m bid from spurs. and spurs overvalued Carroll's present and future potential. we double overvalued Carroll by coming in at 35m. the owner's " valued Carroll + 15m for Judas" is seriously flawed.

i think it has reached a decon 1, crisis red alert regarding the Carroll situation. Kenny has got to stop protecting him and tell him frankly he has been playing sh1tty football since he wear the red shirt.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:55 pm

LittleHobo wrote:
Octsky wrote:yesterday the whole team is sleeping esp the defense.
Agger and Enrique were dreaming, the biggest dreamer is Johnson.
Maxi is wasteful, and Carroll... he cant even trap the ball...
i remember Crouch not scoring his 1st goal untill his 17th games but he offered
us so much. Carroll only hinder the attack with his poor touch.
He wont make it at LFC, sadly to say.
i didnt saw Rushie first season with us, i heard it was bad, but was it a bad as Carroll?
can any old boys enlighten me?

in rushes first season he played 9 and scored 0

in his next season he scored 30

I would bet my house on Carroll not reproducing what Rush achieved. However I expect a passionate, strong, effective striker who terrorises defences, makes assists and scores some goals. We havent got this and KK needs to sort it asap.
Dont kid yourself that Carroll will be shipped out this month. It aint gunna happen. If anything he will be sold in the summer and whether we recoup the £25 million doesnt matter as long as we get a decent replacement.

by **yellsub66** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:09 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
LittleHobo wrote:
Octsky wrote:yesterday the whole team is sleeping esp the defense.
Agger and Enrique were dreaming, the biggest dreamer is Johnson.
Maxi is wasteful, and Carroll... he cant even trap the ball...
i remember Crouch not scoring his 1st goal untill his 17th games but he offered
us so much. Carroll only hinder the attack with his poor touch.
He wont make it at LFC, sadly to say.
i didnt saw Rushie first season with us, i heard it was bad, but was it a bad as Carroll?
can any old boys enlighten me?

in rushes first season he played 9 and scored 0

in his next season he scored 30

I would bet my house on Carroll not reproducing what Rush achieved. However I expect a passionate, strong, effective striker who terrorises defences, makes assists and scores some goals. We havent got this and KK needs to sort it asap.
Dont kid yourself that Carroll will be shipped out this month. It aint gunna happen. If anything he will be sold in the summer and whether we recoup the £25 million doesnt matter as long as we get a decent replacement.

I imagine it is highly unlikely (barring a miracle) that Carroll will be shipped out in the next ten days. I do however believe that Carroll should be dumped out of the team and not even on the bench for the foreseeable future!

That lad does not deserve to be anywhere near a League Cup Final (if we even make it to Wembley).

He is beyond rubbish and his performances and attitude are stinking the place out. We need someone to bang the goals in and fit into our style of play. Surely if we can find a decent striker in the next few days we should get the deal done...even if it is a loan.

This is so frustrating! We are one of the most famous, well supported and most successful football clubs on the planet..yet we seem to be struggling to attract quality players!

It just doesn't make sense??

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:43 pm

yellsub66 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
LittleHobo wrote:
Octsky wrote:yesterday the whole team is sleeping esp the defense.
Agger and Enrique were dreaming, the biggest dreamer is Johnson.
Maxi is wasteful, and Carroll... he cant even trap the ball...
i remember Crouch not scoring his 1st goal untill his 17th games but he offered
us so much. Carroll only hinder the attack with his poor touch.
He wont make it at LFC, sadly to say.
i didnt saw Rushie first season with us, i heard it was bad, but was it a bad as Carroll?
can any old boys enlighten me?

in rushes first season he played 9 and scored 0

in his next season he scored 30

I would bet my house on Carroll not reproducing what Rush achieved. However I expect a passionate, strong, effective striker who terrorises defences, makes assists and scores some goals. We havent got this and KK needs to sort it asap.
Dont kid yourself that Carroll will be shipped out this month. It aint gunna happen. If anything he will be sold in the summer and whether we recoup the £25 million doesnt matter as long as we get a decent replacement.

I imagine it is highly unlikely (barring a miracle) that Carroll will be shipped out in the next ten days. I do however believe that Carroll should be dumped out of the team and not even on the bench for the foreseeable future!

That lad does not deserve to be anywhere near a League Cup Final (if we even make it to Wembley).

He is beyond rubbish and his performances and attitude are stinking the place out. We need someone to bang the goals in and fit into our style of play. Surely if we can find a decent striker in the next few days we should get the deal done...even if it is a loan.

This is so frustrating! We are one of the most famous, well supported and most successful football clubs on the planet..yet we seem to be struggling to attract quality players!

It just doesn't make sense??

The whole team stinks of sh'it! Theres only Bellamy who offers a sniff of fragrance.
It comes to something when an old cripple is your best player.
:down:

by **Scottbot** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:18 pm

While it's hard to stick up for the lad based on his form I have to disagree with those who say he isn't trying or that he doesn't work hard. I think that's rubbish tbh. He puts a shift in (take the league cup win at Eastlands) when he plays but he is ungainly and he isn't particularly mobile and he does wear his heart on his face with some of the expressions he makes and that can be confused with him not trying.

Can he work long-term at LFC? Not for me i'm afraid. What sort of team does Kenny want us to be? what's he trying to build? I think he wants to build a side that moves the ball quickly, that plays it on the deck and plays with good movement. Classic Liverpool basically. I don't think he is trying to replicate the football he played at Blackburn with Shearer, Sutton, Wilcox and Ripley etc. Hence the reason Carroll tended to be left on the bench for all the big games this season prior to the Suarez suspension. If Carroll is to be a success at LFC Kenny needs to build a side that plays in the manner of that Blackburn side.

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:00 am

LittleHobo wrote:i dont care if carrol is currently under par

We just play a damn sight better when carroll isnt on the pitch

Totally agree and I said the same back in November on this thread. Carroll simply does not have the ability or footballing intelligence to play at this level with the pressure a forward has to endure given the expectations of the club and the fans. He also appears to have little or no desire to play for Liverpool. I don't think he ever wanted to come to Liverpool and that clearly shows.

It is time to ship out Carroll who has become an even greater disruptive influence, since the start of Suarez's ban than he was back in November. Would he start any games if Luis wasn't banned? I seriously doubt it and that has got to say a lot. The expression on Gerrard's face during the Bolton match after Carroll's first touch let him down after a brilliant ball from Gerrard said it all.

I desperately want to support all of our lads but it is difficult when somebody is collecting £80k a week and giving back virtually nothing. Ironically Bolton was one of Carroll's better games but everything is relative!

Gawd knows how the Chelsea fans must feel about paying £50m for Nando. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ME FEEL SLIGHTLY BETTER !!!

by **worcester_red** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:32 pm

Scottbot wrote:While it's hard to stick up for the lad based on his form I have to disagree with those who say he isn't trying or that he doesn't work hard. I think that's rubbish tbh. He puts a shift in (take the league cup win at Eastlands) when he plays but he is ungainly and he isn't particularly mobile and he does wear his heart on his face with some of the expressions he makes and that can be confused with him not trying.

Can he work long-term at LFC? Not for me i'm afraid. What sort of team does Kenny want us to be? what's he trying to build? I think he wants to build a side that moves the ball quickly, that plays it on the deck and plays with good movement. Classic Liverpool basically. I don't think he is trying to replicate the football he played at Blackburn with Shearer, Sutton, Wilcox and Ripley etc. Hence the reason Carroll tended to be left on the bench for all the big games this season prior to the Suarez suspension. If Carroll is to be a success at LFC Kenny needs to build a side that plays in the manner of that Blackburn side.

Sorry but I disagree, he doesn't track back and doesn't try to win the ball back. A good striker does those things, that is called putting a shift in. Carroll is a terrible player and he needs to got rid of asap.

by **Redman in wales** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:44 pm

LittleHobo wrote:
Octsky wrote:yesterday the whole team is sleeping esp the defense.
Agger and Enrique were dreaming, the biggest dreamer is Johnson.
Maxi is wasteful, and Carroll... he cant even trap the ball...
i remember Crouch not scoring his 1st goal untill his 17th games but he offered
us so much. Carroll only hinder the attack with his poor touch.
He wont make it at LFC, sadly to say.
i didnt saw Rushie first season with us, i heard it was bad, but was it a bad as Carroll?
can any old boys enlighten me?

in rushes first season he played 9 and scored 0

in his next season he scored 30

quite an odd comparison.

Rush was only 19 in his first season and was slowly being bedded in to the team.

Carroll is now 23. By the time rush was 23 he'd scored over 100 goals for Liverpool

by **Scottbot** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:55 pm

worcester_red wrote:
Scottbot wrote:While it's hard to stick up for the lad based on his form I have to disagree with those who say he isn't trying or that he doesn't work hard. I think that's rubbish tbh. He puts a shift in (take the league cup win at Eastlands) when he plays but he is ungainly and he isn't particularly mobile and he does wear his heart on his face with some of the expressions he makes and that can be confused with him not trying.

Can he work long-term at LFC? Not for me i'm afraid. What sort of team does Kenny want us to be? what's he trying to build? I think he wants to build a side that moves the ball quickly, that plays it on the deck and plays with good movement. Classic Liverpool basically. I don't think he is trying to replicate the football he played at Blackburn with Shearer, Sutton, Wilcox and Ripley etc. Hence the reason Carroll tended to be left on the bench for all the big games this season prior to the Suarez suspension. If Carroll is to be a success at LFC Kenny needs to build a side that plays in the manner of that Blackburn side.

Sorry but I disagree, he doesn't track back and doesn't try to win the ball back. A good striker does those things, that is called putting a shift in. Carroll is a terrible player and he needs to got rid of asap.

So that wasn't a shift the other night at Eastlands in the League Cup? Watch the game again. Carroll ran his bollox off. Also, he's generally played as a lone frontman for his last few games (Bolton was the exception) so you don't want him tracking back. lone frontmen are usually asked to stay high and central, particularly if (like Carroll) they are not the mnost mobile.

The issue isn't effort. If we're pressing the ball high he simply CAN'T get about like a Suarez or a Belamy because he lacks the pace and mobility. Some misinterpret that for laziness. He isn't lazy. unfortunately for us he simply isn't good enough.

by **maguskwt** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:13 am

I think Carroll seems to me like the type of player where because he's had abit of a success while still young at Newcastle, he forgot about all the fundamental skills for a centre forward... :no

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