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Greavesie wrote:MH, what did he have to say about our Luis? Was he slating him? I don't want quotes though, they generally make me angry

ethanr wrote:I love how Suarez just said that if he offended anybody he's sorry, and the papers blow it up making it sound like Suarez is admitting he's guilty, but is arrogant and refuses to apologize to Evra...

Fecking media blackout right now to anybody who has said something ignorant about Suarez.  I don't care if that means no media get anything, and I'm pretty sure Kenny is required to talk to the media, but he should just say random things until we get justice.

Reporter: How did you feel about the lads performance today?
KD: My wife's been great thanks for asking.  We went to the cinema the other day, and even though she feel asleep I think she had a great time.

Reporter: How did the lack of Suarez's involvement show in the performance today?
KD: I think the family may visit Argentina this summer.  Maxi tells me it's lovely.  Oh, I hope nobody takes that offensively.

metalhead wrote:

Kukilon wrote:

yellsub66 wrote:As a passionate fan of the Reds for over 40 years, this whole sorry saga has been deeply horrible. I feel like I am hurting inside. The bile and negativity displayed by other fans and even the media towards our great club is deeply upsetting and unsettling.

I cannot believe that a club as great as Liverpool would go all out to defend a racist. The strength of feeling and the disbelief at the club about the way the FA have dealt with the case appears to indicate that something is not quite right?

Every bone in my body is certain that some sort of corruption has taken place and I cannot resolve myself to believe that 'our club' is defending a racist.

I refuse to rule out the possibility of some sort of malign influence from that 'vile excuse for a human being' who masquerades as ?'British football's greatest living manager' up at Castle Greyskull.

This whole issue is a absolute disgrace and everything has been blown up and manipulated out of all proportion.

Sad ,sad times to be a Liverpool fan! There seems to be a witch hunt against this great club! Will it ever end?

yellsub66 ? ?

Go back to Mancunia you pathetic piece of poop.

To be fair I think you misunderstood his post. Yellsub meant that he doesn't believe that Liverpool would ever support a racist, hence Suarez has done nothing wrong and not a racist

Yeah sorry I don't know how I could have missunderstood that post.

eds wrote:This is the highly credible witness the FA choose to go with:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMOWi3PRDJM


I think I through-up a bit in my mouth.........

Reg wrote:Liverpool fans' raging at anyone daring to criticise Luis Suarez or the club is typical of angry times we live in

A personal memory of attending games at Anfield in the mid Seventies is asking my father why everyone was so friendly. The answer was a warm confirmation of Liverpool’s family spirit.

The Suarez case has caused many Liverpool supporters to take an ultra-defensive stance over any criticism of the player or club.

By Paul Hayward, Chief Sports Writer

7:00AM GMT 06 Jan 2012

We were there as neutrals, but the impression stuck. All football clubs radiate distinct characteristics. They have a feel and a mood and a tone. For too long now Liverpool’s communal outlook has been obscured by a kind of free-floating rage which passed from the Hicks and Gillett years to the Luis Suárez saga, torching all in its path.

As the Suárez uproar finally recedes (until the Manchester United game on Feb 11), the light settles on the astounding tide of vilification and anger stemming from some Liverpool fans, who have used Twitter, blogs and other social media sites to express volcanic indignation at outsiders who dare to be critical of the player or Liverpool’s myopic handling of the case.

Monitor the thoughts on or around the Kop and you will find many Liverpool fans who were embarrassed by the unwillingness to at least acknowledge that an offence was indeed committed by Suárez in his choice of language.

But this more balanced thinking was shouted down by the tribalists who regard all challenging comment as illegitimate and malicious and therefore to be met with abuse.

Liverpool, the city, always stood up for free speech and independence of thought. Its political identity is framed by resistance to Thatcherism and free-market ideology. It has always felt like an independent republic with its back turned to England. Within that culture the best of its civic leaders encouraged tolerance, humour and generosity.

This is not what we saw in the Suárez imbroglio. Instinct says there was a souring of supporter sentiment when Hicks and Gillett hacked away at the club’s most sacred principles. The return of Kenny Dalglish restored some equilibrium but many Liverpool fans are now stuck in a deeply defensive mode.

New threats abound, of course, and no Anfield regular could ignore the rise of Manchester City and Spurs to challenge the old order of Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Liverpool are on the edge of this new power structure and you can sense the depth of the anxiety when things go wrong.

On the pitch the Premier League is in rude health, with an enthralling Christmas programme that surpasses any range of dramas the rest of Europe could offer. Off the field, it is just plain rude, with a breakdown in civility shocking even by Britain’s mega-angry standards.

This Sunday police will sport riot gear for the Manchester derby FA Cup tie and at nearby Blackburn Rovers Steve Kean’s ears ring daily with what Harry Redknapp, the Tottenham manager, described recently as “horrific abuse”. Fury’s clouds are swelling as well against Alex McLeish at Aston Villa.

Between the white lines, thespianism remains on the increase and the league’s highest-flying manager, Roberto Mancini, waves an imaginary card at the fourth official after one of his players (Yaya Toure) goes down easily in the Liverpool penalty box. Meanwhile Joey Barton, of all people, recommends legal action against error-making referees.

Among the middle-classes especially it is a no-no to pull all this together and draw unflattering conclusions. Among many fans ironic detachment prevails. Football, they feel, is a mad cabaret where everything is entertainment and anything goes. Privately, the Premier League admits a fine line is often walked between lucrative headline-generation and unedifying chaos.

Part of the Liverpool congregation’s wrath stems from a sincere (though unsustainable) belief that Suárez is actually not guilty, even though he admits using the word “negro”. Other contributing factors are blind loyalty to a star player and a persecution complex in the face of a distant and supposedly hostile media.

An earnest hope is that those Liverpool fans who have adopted this stance drop it soon so Liverpool can go back to being the club the rest of the game always admired and respected (Manchester United fans can ignore that bit).

More generally, society continues to hurtle down the path of killing debate, killing public conversation, in favour of scattergun abuse. The tendency we are witnessing is an urge to shoot down any adverse remark as if it were an enemy soldier in an Xbox game.

In 20 years, at this rate, we could all end up with a vocabulary of 20 insults which we all draw on whenever our favoured tribe is called to account. Instead of trying to outargue we will lacerate our opponents into silence. Inside the compound of our loyalties we will believe only what we want to and despise all outsiders.

Liverpool’s rage-meisters are not alone, of course. In recent days they just happen to have expressed the most lurid pique in a game that must surely now be the angriest in all creation.