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by **laza** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:23 am

I certainly rated him and his cameo at Arsenal showed he was sort of player we needed in the squad
Not happy about this especially after all earlier summer speculation died down that we were trying to offload him.
Even more :censored:

at the timing of it and who he has gone to

Oh well what is done is done, hopefully his Chav career will be as sterling as Yossi and Nando's first year

by **crim cram** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:24 am

I'm trying to look at this objectively. We got 15 mil. for a 28 year old player we paid 11 mil. a year ago. He was on the fringes of the first team. He's not exactly a squad player, he's more like a player who could hold down a starting place for a good run of games.

He would be great to bring on w/ 20 minutes to go in a match (see Arsenal). He will have the same ability to do that w/ Chelsea.

Chelsea are our biggest rivals for 3rd spot IMO and the transfer slightly favors them even though they paid over the odds for him. We can't use the money until January at the earliest and he would have made a great makeweight in negotiations to bring in stronger players (remember he wouldn't have been cup tied in January) during that window.

No matter how you spin it, it has weakened us and strengthened our nearest rival. Not good, even if he didn't feature in KD's plans.

by **Greavesie** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:25 am

He would be great to bring on w/ 20 minutes to go in a match (see Arsenal). He will have the same ability to do that w/ Chelsea.

That's how I see it as well, but now we have Bellamy to run against tired defenders and he has pace to burn! :cool:

by **aCe'** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:26 am

Average player ? Doesnt fit in the side ? FCK OFF
He was a top class player and one of few we had who would get into most top sides. We sold him to another top club (Aquilani anyone ?) and are now relying on Henderson and Adam to prove they are good enough. On evidence of what we saw so far, Henderson isnt half the player and Adam still needs a lot of work before he can be considered good enough for the very top level. Dont put pressure on Henderson ? Tell that to Kenny !
!
12million is just as big a joke as was selling him to Chelsea ! Its fcking obvious that the reason he wanted to leave was because Kenny probably told him he'll be a squad player and behind Henderson and Adam (Fck me I cant believe im saying that with a straight face.. Aquilani probably got the same memo) and decided hes not having that. Cant blame him for that and I'm sure he made his feeling clear to management more than '30 mins ago'..

We'll see what he does at Chelsea but i think he'll be one hell of a player for them. They'll play him deeper in his natural role and he'll go out and do what he did for us and thats dominate games through his passing.

Moan moan moan ? Yea im having a fcking moan Mick... Its a HUGE step in the wrong direction imo and unless Henderson and Adam can go out there and consistently prove that they are better than the PFA player of the year then its further bad business in the market.

by **Greavesie** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:29 am

They'll play him deeper in his natural role and he'll go out and do what he did for us and thats dominate games through his passing.

top class player aCe - I'd never even heard of him before he came and his time at Liverpool didn't suggest h was top class, good player yes, dispensible, certainly.

really, you thought he was best deployed deep?? I thought the complete opposite mate

You've given Kenny quite a bashing there mate, don't bring the Aqua debate into it though, there's many angles in which that can be viewed...

by **Kukilon** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:30 am

I agree with you though Ace not sure why but Meireles deffinately deserved to start over Henderson. In the long run it will probably pay off but not right now. We should have at least made Chelsea pay over the odds.

He i still a :censored:

though. But I really can't see the treatment by Kenny either. Probably something we will never know.

by **crazyhorse** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:32 am

He wanted to go. It does not matter if he is good, average world class or pure crepe! he wanted to leave and has gone. As far as I am concerned good riddance to him.

I am not going to comment on him again, the moment he handed in the transfer request he ceased to matter to me as a liverpool player anyway. And he had a sheet hair cut!

I really dont see where he will fit in at chavski, and like torres he will regret his petulance.

by **Kenny Kan** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:35 am

laza wrote:I certainly rated him and his cameo at Arsenal showed he was sort of player we needed in the squad
Not happy about this especially after all earlier summer speculation died down that we were trying to offload him.
Even more at the timing of it and who he has gone to

Oh well what is done is done, hopefully his Chav career will be as sterling as Yossi and Nando's first year

Echoed.

by **Greavesie** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:35 am

where does this Kenny's treated him like sh!te b0llocks come from anyway?

Hendo's looked better in every game he's played, hopefully he keeps improving, Raul can do one

by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:36 am

aCe' wrote:Average player ? Doesnt fit in the side ? FCK OFF
He was a top class player and one of few we had who would get into most top sides. We sold him to another top club (Aquilani anyone ?) and are now relying on Henderson and Adam to prove they are good enough. On evidence of what we saw so far, Henderson isnt half the player and Adam still needs a lot of work before he can be considered good enough for the very top level. Dont put pressure on Henderson ? Tell that to Kenny !
!
12million is just as big a joke as was selling him to Chelsea ! Its fcking obvious that the reason he wanted to leave was because Kenny probably told him he'll be a squad player and behind Henderson and Adam (Fck me I cant believe im saying that with a straight face.. Aquilani probably got the same memo) and decided hes not having that. Cant blame him for that and I'm sure he made his feeling clear to management more than '30 mins ago'..

We'll see what he does at Chelsea but i think he'll be one hell of a player for them. They'll play him deeper in his natural role and he'll go out and do what he did for us and thats dominate games through his passing.

Moan moan moan ? Yea im having a fcking moan Mick... Its a HUGE step in the wrong direction imo and unless Henderson and Adam can go out there and consistently prove that they are better than the PFA player of the year then its further bad business in the market.

well he didn't fit into the side or the system did he? that's why he wasn't getting picked week in week out. he couldn't get a game playing central midfield. even spearing played ahead of him in that position last season. now we've got gerrard coming back and we're overloaded with wide options that wasn't going to change so it's not a disaster letting him go. he's wanted out for a while anyway imo.

by **aCe'** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:43 am

Greavesie wrote:
They'll play him deeper in his natural role and he'll go out and do what he did for us and thats dominate games through his passing.

top class player aCe - I'd never even heard of him before he came and his time at Liverpool didn't suggest h was top class, good player yes, dispensible, certainly.

really, you thought he was best deployed deep?? I thought the complete opposite mate

You've given Kenny quite a bashing there mate, don't bring the Aqua debate into it though, there's many angles in which that can be viewed...

Hes played his entire career in a deeper role mate. We havent even tried him there but Im sure Boas (who coached him before at Porto) will deploy him there.

Forget the Aqua thing, my point is, its not about how much we spend on players. If we bring in players who fail to make an impact then its fcking useless spending the money in the first place. Before all the transfers, we had the middle of the park pretty much sorted and I personally thought it was the strongest area of the squad given the established players we had. Since then, we've gone on to completely re-haul the entire makeup of that midfield and bring in questionable players who most probably wouldnt even get looked at by any of the other top sides will letting go of one of our best players in Meireles.

Any way you look at it its a step back. Forget about strengthening Chelsea as well I guess if you want to take things out of perspective. Imo, the most promising thing about the side this season was Meireles and Suarez connecting higher up the pitch like they have done towards the end of last season and for a brief period at the beginning of this one. 12 million is nothing for a player of his calibre and I dare you to find anyone with half a shred of football knowledge who would suggest otherwise.

As far as im concerned, when trying to strengthen your squad you try to build on the strong players you have to improve the overall quality. Simple question to all, between Henderson and Meireles, who is the better player ? yet we spent 8million replacing one with the other.

Its all good talking about strengthening the side and spending 100s of millions doing so, but selling your best players is not on when not needed as far as im concerned. Could never in a million years see ManUTd, Chelsea or even ManCity selling one of their best players to a rival while not replacing them with someone considerably better.

by **sgs** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:44 am

Shrewd piece of biz that ticks all the boxes, financial and football...

Not sure what all the moaning is about tbh...

Raul is a good player; best position is in central MF; poor when made to play on the outside.

As a CM he is not a starter and this with Gerrard out injured.

As a sub he is not an impact player; has no turn of pace to breakaway from MF in open play.

And based on the way we play atm, will struggle with our high tempo passing game and movement.

In the squad position he would have occupied we can do better (and cheaper) with a younger more talented player.

by **thegreedo** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:45 am

Lets not get carried away with how good Raul was! Yes he had a number of attributes but if we take the rose tinted spectacles off for five minutes he had a fair few flaws as well. As for comparing his loss to the loss of alonso, well.....that doesn't even warrant a response!
He has been unsettled for some time as I don't think he has ever fitted into the set up KK wants to put together, he has seen AVB, a Portuguese manager, from Porto no less and obviously seen the rent boys as a better option.
Overall I am more than happy with the buisiness KK Commoli have done this summer and the departure of another want-away mercenary to that soulless dump in west London will only serve to make it all the more gratifying to finish above them this season.

by **Kenny Kan** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:46 am

You can't keep a bulging squad of quality midfielders if they're not happy. Meireles "obviously" didn't like the challenge - that's his prerogative.

Henderson, Adam, Lucas and Gerrard is sufficient enough for central midfield. Then we have the likes of Spearing and Shelvey to come in if things start to get a 'bit desperate'. Those two young lads will see their avenues here at LFC open more, and that's what its all about - giving youth a chance.

Our midfield was bloated, that's it in a nutshell.

by **Kukilon** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:46 am

Henderson cost 16 million not 20 though.

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