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by **crim cram** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:48 am

stmichael wrote:
aCe' wrote:Average player ? Doesnt fit in the side ? FCK OFF
He was a top class player and one of few we had who would get into most top sides. We sold him to another top club (Aquilani anyone ?) and are now relying on Henderson and Adam to prove they are good enough. On evidence of what we saw so far, Henderson isnt half the player and Adam still needs a lot of work before he can be considered good enough for the very top level. Dont put pressure on Henderson ? Tell that to Kenny !
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12million is just as big a joke as was selling him to Chelsea ! Its fcking obvious that the reason he wanted to leave was because Kenny probably told him he'll be a squad player and behind Henderson and Adam (Fck me I cant believe im saying that with a straight face.. Aquilani probably got the same memo) and decided hes not having that. Cant blame him for that and I'm sure he made his feeling clear to management more than '30 mins ago'..

We'll see what he does at Chelsea but i think he'll be one hell of a player for them. They'll play him deeper in his natural role and he'll go out and do what he did for us and thats dominate games through his passing.

Moan moan moan ? Yea im having a fcking moan Mick... Its a HUGE step in the wrong direction imo and unless Henderson and Adam can go out there and consistently prove that they are better than the PFA player of the year then its further bad business in the market.

well he didn't fit into the side or the system did he? that's why he wasn't getting picked week in week out. he couldn't get a game playing central midfield. even spearing played ahead of him in that position last season. now we've got gerrard coming back and we're overloaded with wide options that wasn't going to change so it's not a disaster letting him go. he's wanted out for a while anyway imo.

The only reason Spearing got in ahead of him was because we needed him on the right. I would have Meireles before Spearing for any position except a true DM role.

by **aCe'** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:50 am

stmichael wrote:
aCe' wrote:Average player ? Doesnt fit in the side ? FCK OFF
He was a top class player and one of few we had who would get into most top sides. We sold him to another top club (Aquilani anyone ?) and are now relying on Henderson and Adam to prove they are good enough. On evidence of what we saw so far, Henderson isnt half the player and Adam still needs a lot of work before he can be considered good enough for the very top level. Dont put pressure on Henderson ? Tell that to Kenny !
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12million is just as big a joke as was selling him to Chelsea ! Its fcking obvious that the reason he wanted to leave was because Kenny probably told him he'll be a squad player and behind Henderson and Adam (Fck me I cant believe im saying that with a straight face.. Aquilani probably got the same memo) and decided hes not having that. Cant blame him for that and I'm sure he made his feeling clear to management more than '30 mins ago'..

We'll see what he does at Chelsea but i think he'll be one hell of a player for them. They'll play him deeper in his natural role and he'll go out and do what he did for us and thats dominate games through his passing.

Moan moan moan ? Yea im having a fcking moan Mick... Its a HUGE step in the wrong direction imo and unless Henderson and Adam can go out there and consistently prove that they are better than the PFA player of the year then its further bad business in the market.

well he didn't fit into the side or the system did he? that's why he wasn't getting picked week in week out. he couldn't get a game playing central midfield. even spearing played ahead of him in that position last season. now we've got gerrard coming back and we're overloaded with wide options that wasn't going to change so it's not a disaster letting him go. he's wanted out for a while anyway imo.

What system ? Henderson played right wing, right midfield, central midfield and had about 20mins of good football in the games he played. Meireles has looked better playing out of position than almost every single one of our players last season. When played down the middle (even in an advanced role) he showed what he can do by scoring and creating in many occasions.

And by the way Mick, im genuinely wondering what you think our system is ? is it a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3, we've seen them all in the 4 games this season... Cause as far as I can see Henderson doesnt fit in any, Carroll only fits in one, and same with Adam... Bit of a worry of a worry for Adam and Henderson if our 2nd best CM behind Gerrard didnt fit into our system imo.

by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:52 am

Kenny Kan wrote:You can't keep a bulging squad of quality midfielders if they're not happy. Meireles "obviously" didn't like the challenge - that's his prerogative.

Henderson, Adam, Lucas and Gerrard is sufficient enough for central midfield. Then we have the likes of Spearing and Shelvey to come in if things start to get a 'bit desperate'. Those two young lads will see their avenues here at LFC open more, and that's what its all about - giving youth a chance.

Our midfield was bloated, that's it in a nutshell.

Good post I agree.

We can argue till the cows come home as to whether he still had a role to play (personally I'd have happily kept him as a useful squad option). However the bootom line is you don't keep players who don't want to be here and Mereiles was in this category. It does nobody any favours (as Spurs will find out with Modric to their detriment later on in the season).

by **Dalglish** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:54 am

With loyalty a dirty word in present day football and an ill conceived "Transfer Window" which opens in the first month of the season, is it a big surprise that players scurry around like rats escaping a sinking ship

Meireles saw the writing on the wall as he looked at the team sheet for the first couple of games this season and thought to himself " :censored:

this". As soon as Chelsea expressed an interest he was as good as gone and ultimately played his ace (Transfer request) when he thought it might not happen.

I suspect he might prove more valuable to Chelsea than Torres has been and a fraction of the price ! He has history with the latest Chelsea gaffer and footballers tend to believe it when prospective managers blow smoke up their :censored:

and make noises about wanting/needing them.

In the big scheme of things we have got rid of a lot of deadwood, sold Raul for a fair price and brought a couple of players in. I suspect in Coates we have a top top defender and if he shows half the desire and ability as Saurez I will be more than happy.

Walk on ...............

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:57 am

I could not possibly agree with Ace any more than what he has put. Our midfield was the one area we didnt need a change, but its happened.

I love Kenny to bits, but to dismiss Meireles is total lunacy in my eyes. All I can think of, the only reason I can think of as to why he was sold, is Kenny decided to erase every tenure of Roy Hodgsons time here. To ensure the complete and utter support of the LFC faithful. Other than that, I cannot find any reason why Meireles wasnt given a chance, why he was sold, and why in the end he was villified.

I look at peoples comments regarding Meireles leaving, the disdain towards him, but then look at the Alonso fiasco. Rafa wasnt to blame but then again, neither was Alonso. Its hypocrisy at its best.

My take is simple. We have made one major b*lls up letting Meireles go to chelsea.

by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:02 am

In reply to Ace I saw us playing 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 against Bolton during the game at stages We have great flexibility and fluidity. Henderson is able to act as right midfielder or central midfielder in a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3. Adam is perfectly capable of playing as a deep lying central midfielder in 4-2-3-1 or left-sided centre-mid in a 4-3-3. Suarez plays as a central striker or wide. Downing plays in a variety of roles including either flank or off the striker as he did at the Emirates. Hell at Villa, O'Neill even played him central midfield in a 3 at times. The only one I'll agree with you on is Carroll.

by **Simari** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:03 am

stmichael wrote:moan, moan, moan. some people are never happy on here ffs. he's a squad player here and we've got £15m for him at 28. chelsea didn't even want him until the modric deal was dead in the water.

we move on. the only players who are important are the ones who want to play for liverpool. mereiles clearly didn't.

Echo this sentiment.

Some folks here have a very clear tendency towards only bitching about everything.

He doesn't feature in Kenny's plans, doesn't fit into the system. It doesn't matter if he is a good player or not - if he doesn't fit the team according to our manager and we made a profit on him, then good business.

He gave us some good memories during his goal-scoring stretch, but just hasn't been consistent enough to hold down a regular spot.

Do you honestly believe he's going to be a starter for chelsea? He will be happy coming off the bench and simply cashing in the dough.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:08 am

Not entirely sure what to make of all this. I rated Merieles as a valued member of the squad but am not convinced he would have played all that much once Gerrard returns (I assume there's some hope of that given our willingness to dispense with a few CMs). Add to that the emotional reaction (a massive f.uck you) to the transfer request at the 11th hour and it's all a bit hard to sort out. My feeling is that Chelsea have been sniffing around for a few days now and Raul's had his head turned (esp. considering it's his former manager at the helm). So, he's been urging the club to cut a deal and, when that looked unlikely, he's put his cards on the table with a transfer request to force through the switch. As a few have said, once that transfer request came out, it was over. No chance of showing his face at Anfield again so you might as well sell him, bank the funds for January and hope he pulls a Yossi. We'll see how it pans out.

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:11 am

Simari wrote:
stmichael wrote:moan, moan, moan. some people are never happy on here ffs. he's a squad player here and we've got £15m for him at 28. chelsea didn't even want him until the modric deal was dead in the water.

we move on. the only players who are important are the ones who want to play for liverpool. mereiles clearly didn't.

Echo this sentiment.

Some folks here have a very clear tendency towards only bitching about everything.

He doesn't feature in Kenny's plans, doesn't fit into the system. It doesn't matter if he is a good player or not - if he doesn't fit the team according to our manager and we made a profit on him, then good business.

He gave us some good memories during his goal-scoring stretch, but just hasn't been consistent enough to hold down a regular spot.

Do you honestly believe he's going to be a starter for chelsea? He will be happy coming off the bench and simply cashing in the dough.

So aside from scoring goals, making a £1 million profit on him, changing games for the better for us, he is a squad player.

Is it just me who is failing to see the argument here?

Will he be a starter for chelsea? He will change their entire season, mark my words.

by **Simari** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:14 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Simari wrote:
stmichael wrote:moan, moan, moan. some people are never happy on here ffs. he's a squad player here and we've got £15m for him at 28. chelsea didn't even want him until the modric deal was dead in the water.

we move on. the only players who are important are the ones who want to play for liverpool. mereiles clearly didn't.

Echo this sentiment.

Some folks here have a very clear tendency towards only bitching about everything.

He doesn't feature in Kenny's plans, doesn't fit into the system. It doesn't matter if he is a good player or not - if he doesn't fit the team according to our manager and we made a profit on him, then good business.

He gave us some good memories during his goal-scoring stretch, but just hasn't been consistent enough to hold down a regular spot.

Do you honestly believe he's going to be a starter for chelsea? He will be happy coming off the bench and simply cashing in the dough.

So aside from scoring goals, making a £1 million profit on him, changing games for the better for us, he is a squad player.

Is it just me who is failing to see the argument here?

Will he be a starter for chelsea? He will change their entire season, mark my words.

He changed games when we didn't have the players. He played well when our squad was utter tripe.

He had a small goal-scoring stretch where he was the only scorer, don't turn my words into thinking he was a goal-scoring machine.

He will NOT change their season, mark my words Khar. You are indeed failing to see the argument. He didn't want to play for us, wasn't good enough to hold down a regular spot according to the boss and we made a profit on him. That is good business not only for the bottom line, but for team morale.

Chelsea have too much deadweight at the moment, they are rebuilding but Raul isn't young.

by **aCe'** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:15 am

stmichael wrote:In reply to Ace I saw us playing 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 against Bolton during the game at stages We have great flexibility and fluidity. Henderson is able to act as right midfielder or central midfielder in a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3. Adam is perfectly capable of playing as a deep lying central midfielder in 4-2-3-1 or left-sided centre-mid in a 4-3-3. Suarez plays as a central striker or wide. Downing plays in a variety of roles including either flank or off the striker as he did at the Emirates. Hell at Villa, O'Neill even played him central midfield in a 3 at times. The only one I'll agree with you on is Carroll.

Alright then Mick, how can you sit there and tell me that he doesnt fit into our 'system' when we obviously dont have one, yet.

As far as I can tell, Meireles is one of our most versatile players as evident by the different positions he played for the club last season ( CM, LM, RM, AM, SS). All positions hes played with us, no ?

Bottom line is, Kenny is putting all his faith and trust on his new signings. When we signed Henderson and Adam my biggest concern was that our top players would get frozen out regardless of the performances of the new players simply because of their price tags. As of right now, its up to Henderson and Adam to prove to Kenny and all the Liverpool fans that it was the right call letting Meireles go. Big gamble and one we didnt need to take.

Im all for building a side with a core of British talent, but that doesnt mean we sell Reina and Suarez next to bring in Foster and Agbonlahor... We're moving in that direction though...

by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:17 am

Kharhaz wrote:So aside from scoring goals, making a £1 million profit on him, changing games for the better for us, he is a squad player.

Is it just me who is failing to see the argument here?

he had a purple patch when he scored 5 goals in 6 games.

charlie adam will contribute far more in terms of goals, assists and generally having an impact on our play over the course of a season than this guy did.

by **crim cram** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:17 am

stmichael wrote:In reply to Ace I saw us playing 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 against Bolton during the game at stages We have great flexibility and fluidity. Henderson is able to act as right midfielder or central midfielder in a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3. Adam is perfectly capable of playing as a deep lying central midfielder in 4-2-3-1 or left-sided centre-mid in a 4-3-3. Suarez plays as a central striker or wide. Downing plays in a variety of roles including either flank or off the striker as he did at the Emirates. Hell at Villa, O'Neill even played him central midfield in a 3 at times. The only one I'll agree with you on is Carroll.

I take your point that there is flexibility in the team, but Meireles has the same flexibility, the exception being a DM role. He seemed to be useful in the various ways we set up and really only thrived when KD took over.

Fine if he's sold, but I would have liked a much higher fee (given who he's going to) and more time left on the clock, which makes it bad business IMO.

by **metalhead** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:26 am

I have mixed feelings about this, I really rate Meireles and part of me says that this might come back and bite us int he @rse but the other part says that we should be ok when Gerrard is back. The fact is Meireles isn't happy with a 30k wage, he wants more as promised by the previous regime, the club refused and RIGHTLY SO because the current owners didn't promise him anything. He handed a transfer request because he doesn't want to be here and its best to keep players who wants to stay.

I feel bitter, annoyed and disappointed that he left.

by **dundreamin** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:26 am

He put in request to go so fook him. If he ain't got the sense to realize that he was at the greatest football club on earth, never had the bottle to fight for a place. NOBODY'S BIGGER THAN THE CLUB, ask el wingeo.

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