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by **kindaconfused** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:37 pm

parchpea

Thats an excellent point about the timing. While Parry has been there too long, he knows the scams and the bungs that are creamed off.

Isn't it about time they were cleaned out and some fresh came in with new ideas?

by **spud** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:52 pm

parchpea wrote:The boardroom needs a shakeup. Its a closed shop and it seems no amount of money from Morgan will move these guys. I thought the Cisse deal summed up the crazy way they go about things. Agreeing to sign a guy when you have one eye on sacking the mananger. A £14 million pound record investment at that. I just wish they had left that in coffers for Benitez

Good point

by **kindaconfused** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:36 pm

Perhaps there needs to a fans pressure group similar to what the Mancs have to help lobby for change?

by **kindaconfused** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:39 pm

One more thought, Parry and others are lead by money so imaybe Morgan may put a deal together that the establishment can't refuse. I think we need a change and we need it now. The guys let the decline happen and why should they be immune from taking responsibility?

by **Redrider** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:42 pm

Redprof wrote:At least Rafa recognises the need for finding local talent but hope he doesn't shake up the academy too much and ****** up what it does best-bring on local talent. As`for Morgan he has passion, enthusuiasm and more importantly plenty of dosh. Some of these other financial backers have little underdstanding of what LFC is all about-let's get him on board

Nice one Redprof. :kungfu:

by **kindaconfused** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:54 pm

Kinda

Nice one!

by **The Canadian Red Army** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:49 pm

im into business, and i will be for the rest of my life. Dont you think if this man is a SELF MADE millionaire that he has put alot of time and hard work into what he does, it takes alot of heart and passion to put together a winner in the business world and alot of hardwork and sweat as well. I think if we do accept his offer we wont turn into just another chelsea or man u, we will gain the knowledge and talents that made him a millionaire and implement them into the club and to the board. This guy is i think what we need to turn us around from a decent club to a great club. We need an infusion into the board to stop them from just lounging around, to putting more effort into the academy and into scounting. Their is a post on liverpool website that our youth program has gone down in years and this is the guy that can turn it and us around. In the infusion of money then that will be great for us, and i dont mean to go buy every player in sight like some other teams. I mean to go find the 1 million pound gems and yes spend 14 million pounds on another striker or defender. In all i think this is what this club needs to send us into the top 3 and challange for things that in recent years we have came up short...........

SORRY FOR THE LONG POST!!

by **azriahmad** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:56 pm

If he wants his bid to have any kind of a chance, he should not totally devalue Moores' shareholding in the club. As much as the club needs money, we should also recognise that Moores has been footing the transfer costs, whenever it was needed in the past, with his own funds and that any new investment proposal must give him some credit and benefit for sacrificing his time and money in the past due to his love for the club. If anyone of us were in his position, having reportedly (by the Thai due dilligence on Liverpool) advanced some 10 million pounds of own funds to part-finance transfers in the past, is it not reasonable to ask for some kind of monetary compensation for diluting 51.6% shareholding in the club?

The ball is in Morgan's court to take this very important factor into account and from what I have read, he has realised this and is trying to address what Moores wants also to put forward a proposal acceptable to all.

by **Redrider** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:21 pm

The Canadian Red Army wrote:im into business, and i will be for the rest of my life. Dont you think if this man is a SELF MADE millionaire that he has put alot of time and hard work into what he does, it takes alot of heart and passion to put together a winner in the business world and alot of hardwork and sweat as well. I think if we do accept his offer we wont turn into just another chelsea or man u, we will gain the knowledge and talents that made him a millionaire and implement them into the club and to the board. This guy is i think what we need to turn us around from a decent club to a great club. We need an infusion into the board to stop them from just lounging around, to putting more effort into the academy and into scounting. Their is a post on liverpool website that our youth program has gone down in years and this is the guy that can turn it and us around. In the infusion of money then that will be great for us, and i dont mean to go buy every player in sight like some other teams. I mean to go find the 1 million pound gems and yes spend 14 million pounds on another striker or defender. In all i think this is what this club needs to send us into the top 3 and challange for things that in recent years we have came up short...........

SORRY FOR THE LONG POST!!

It might have been long, but well said.
We need some shaeper business management.

by **The Canadian Red Army** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:13 am

thx redrider

by **kindaconfused** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:48 am

The Canadian Red Army

I'm not aware of this detail but if its true then you are right.

While Morgan maybe the guy we need just a word of caution as to whether these skills can be transferred to football? I agree we need an infusion of new ideas but we also desparately need someone who can value players pretty quickly!

A housebuilder can value a house but can he value a player which too me is a lot more difficult. Its no just the transfer market where it goes wrong but in the accounts you have to list your assets, now if you bought a player for £14m and then sold him for £4m then thats a £10m right off somewhere in the books.

This of course leads on as to how they (the accountants) value players which maybe a separate topic sometime? Is it just a phone call from Parry to Raf and a question "how much do you think Cisse is worth I want to finish the accounts off".

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:19 am

i have to laugh at all this "morgan has passion" etc.

how the f*ck do you know? you cant tell what he's got in terms of passion from listening to a few sh*tty words on the telly, where he's actually trying to convince us anyway.

dont fall for that. judge him on his business merit but thats all. his passion may or may not become clear.

by **kindaconfused** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:56 am

jim_morrison_supported_liverpool

Yer could be right but I think the submissions are born out of frustration with the present lot and some of the nonsense w'eve read about.

I for one think he maybe able to bring some business sense to buying and selling players and I'm sure yer wouldn't defend some of the prices for players bought and sold!

by **miniman** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:23 pm

kindaconfused wrote:While I agree that something needs to be done to stop the ineptitude of the present management in buing and selling players I think the key to whether Morgan is the answer lies in his motives.

Is Morgan more interested in his returns or is he more interested in results, since he's a businessman then he wants returns but at what expense to the club.

Not sure hes the man to value the players but he might know someone on the forum that could help in that department.

The club needs to be successful in order for him to make money, so he is not going to throw £100 mil away on nothing. lets face it money talks.

by **Redrider** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:44 pm

jim_morrison_supported_liverpool wrote:i have to laugh at all this "morgan has passion" etc.

how the f*ck do you know? you cant tell what he's got in terms of passion from listening to a few sh*tty words on the telly, where he's actually trying to convince us anyway.

dont fall for that. judge him on his business merit but thats all. his passion may or may not become clear.

I think, if you follow the thread of this topic, that is what most people are saying :
Let's bring in Morgan to give the Club a sharper Business Strategy. A man who is a self made millionaire must have some current Business Acumen that can only be of benefit to LFC.
David Moores may be wealthy and has good traditional values, but he has presided over a slide, not only in our fortunes on the pitch but also in the way we do business. Real Madrid etc leave us standing when it comes to making the deals.
Don't be surprised when RM make £5m to £10m on the Owen deal when they move him on.
Moores should remain with club but take up a non-exec' role.

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