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by **Emerald Red** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:12 pm

metalhead wrote:ER, that is just my temper talking just ignore..

I wouldn't even get angry. I'm well beyond that now.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:17 pm

Dundalk wrote:Do you think on past performance he deserves his place in the team Emerald?

Or is he untouchable?

You don't just drop a world class player out of the squad. A few weeks ago, he scored a few and everyone was w@nking over him again, and the team in general. I wasn't fooled by it at all. I keep saying it, some of these players' form is indicative and a direct result of Roy Hodgson's away tactics. Torres has been poor this season because of those tactics. Hoof the ball, have him chase, hope he controls it, then beats three defenders and bang one in. That kind of bollox is going to take it's toll on a striker and affect his confidence in every away game he goes into. Hodgson's away record shows that he doesn't score very many goals away from home no matter what players he has at his disposal. The problem is with the manager, not the player.

by **glenbuck patriot** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:19 pm

metalhead wrote:
glenbuck patriot wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:People still defend this puddin?

The Liberal's will be on next Emerald telling You and I we're not REAL Fans, they'll bang on about the YNWA spirit and that REAL Fans back the Manager!

What they won't do is be able to give any coeherent Fact's as to why Hodgson should stay in charge of LFC after such a woeful run of Games away from home.

They will sweep under the carpet and ignore the FACT that this incumbent Manager is INCAPABLE of winning a Football Game away from HOME!

They will bang on all day until you're that tired of listening to the inane drivel that it's all the previous Manager's fault, it's his team and that we have to give Hodgson time.

Well i've been banging on, along with a lot of likeminded fans that have watched this Club for a long time that this Manager isn't Good Enough, it's NOT through a Hatred for the man, nor through rose tinted glasses, that i say this, it's through FACT.

WE Can't and never will be able to reach what's now become the pinacle of our ambition, What used to be the Norm of a top Four finish by being INCAPABLE of beating the Opposition Away from Home.

This Manager has proved he's incapable of doing so, not just here, but with every English Club he's Managed.

He's not Good Enough, at present We're not Good Enough under his tenureship, there's only ONE resolution I can think of ........ He has to GO, the Sooner the Better!

where were you when we were winning? oh thats right you just pop up when we lose.

Same place as i've ALWAYS BEEN, If you care to look throught the thread, I've stated on more than one Occasion that Winning your Home Games but being Incapable of Winning away from home is NOT going to bring us what we All want which is CL Football in order to keep and maintain our current squad, but also to attract some big name players, which we crave to take us on back to the next level of English and European Football.

IF you want me to write "War and Peace" on beating the worst ever team i've seen come to Anfield (West Ham) in Premier League History, or an Aston Villa side, who set out for a nil-nil and we're goosed after fifteen minutes Managed by Gerrard "One trick Pony" Houllier, I'd be more than p1ssed off to do so.

So please, please Metal, you don't mind me abbreviating it to Metal, give me a break, it's either that or me thinking that A Metalhead is just what you ARE!

by **metalhead** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:24 pm

Metal is ok... yes I'm a metalhead

but then again, you blame Roy for all the problems when actually you have some players who look half @rsed to play. is Roy playing the football? or the players? Yes, I agree, Roy has to get the blame for not doing anything for not taking the game, but if you have strikers who can't even hit the ball into the back of the net, its not the manager's fault.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:26 pm

I can understand a new manager coming in will affect a players performance in different ways but again ill go back to the point that a world class forward, no matter who the manger is or where in the world he is playing should be putting away the chance Torres has missed recently. It may be that Roys tactics dont suit Torres but its not as if he was to hot at times last year and we all now what happened at the World cup, albeit he was injured.

Where is the Torres from three years ago? If its a confidence thing then fair enough. He needs to get is sorted it might have something to do with the World Cup, who knows. But we cant afford to be carrying passengers no matter who they are and at the moment I would rather have Babel in the team and i NEVER though Id say that!

No doubt he will score a hatrick next weekend but I like you will not be fooled by it until we see some consistency. His link up play and general performance all season had been poor.

Im sorry but at the moment he is not good enough. Sub bench.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:50 pm

"Newcastle notoriously difficult to beat at home." - Roy Hodgson.

Really, Roy? A side we consistently tank most seasons, home and away. A side that has lost it's last three at home and are really struggling for form. Really, Roy?

by **metalhead** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:52 pm

Emerald Red wrote:"Newcastle notoriously difficult to beat at home." - Roy Hodgson.

Really, Roy? A side we consistently tank most seasons, home and away. A side that has lost it's last three at home and are really struggling for form. Really, Roy?

Problem? they are hard to beat at home, Chelsea drew there.

by **Ben Patrick** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:58 pm

Dundalk wrote:I can understand a new manager coming in will affect a players performance in different ways but again ill go back to the point that a world class forward, no matter who the manger is or where in the world he is playing should be putting away the chance Torres has missed recently. It may be that Roys tactics dont suit Torres but its not as if he was to hot at times last year and we all now what happened at the World cup, albeit he was injured.

Where is the Torres from three years ago? If its a confidence thing then fair enough. He needs to get is sorted it might have something to do with the World Cup, who knows. But we cant afford to be carrying passengers no matter who they are and at the moment I would rather have Babel in the team and i NEVER though Id say that!

No doubt he will score a hatrick next weekend but I like you will not be fooled by it until we see some consistency. His link up play and general performance all season had been poor.

Im sorry but at the moment he is not good enough. Sub bench.

to be fair he has aways missed chances.
The problem now is that he is so isolated by our deep lying tactics, when he gets it he is isolated 9 times out of 10.
I agree he hasnt been anywhere near as good as i would hope but its down mostly to the system and tactics i think.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:59 pm

metalhead wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:"Newcastle notoriously difficult to beat at home." - Roy Hodgson.

Really, Roy? A side we consistently tank most seasons, home and away. A side that has lost it's last three at home and are really struggling for form. Really, Roy?

Problem? they are hard to beat at home, Chelsea drew there.

And Chelsea are on cracking form recently, aren't they?

Fact is, Newcastle are in a state. They've lost 3 at home and drew three. Formidable, aren't they? Roy certainly seems to think so. Their manager was recently sacked, they are all over the place at the moment, and Roy should have had that team sent out today to string them up by the balls and show no mercy. What happens? On the 55th minute mark or so, the team starts to back off having just gained some momentum after scoring. A change needed to be made somewhere, but he sits and does his usual observation act. This wasn't a one off either. This has been the pattern of Roy's sides since day one. Play in spells, then drop off and concede. Coincidence? I don't think so.

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:07 pm

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by **metalhead** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:17 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Dundalk wrote:I can understand a new manager coming in will affect a players performance in different ways but again ill go back to the point that a world class forward, no matter who the manger is or where in the world he is playing should be putting away the chance Torres has missed recently. It may be that Roys tactics dont suit Torres but its not as if he was to hot at times last year and we all now what happened at the World cup, albeit he was injured.

Where is the Torres from three years ago? If its a confidence thing then fair enough. He needs to get is sorted it might have something to do with the World Cup, who knows. But we cant afford to be carrying passengers no matter who they are and at the moment I would rather have Babel in the team and i NEVER though Id say that!

No doubt he will score a hatrick next weekend but I like you will not be fooled by it until we see some consistency. His link up play and general performance all season had been poor.

Im sorry but at the moment he is not good enough. Sub bench.

to be fair he has aways missed chances.
The problem now is that he is so isolated by our deep lying tactics, when he gets it he is isolated 9 times out of 10.
I agree he hasnt been anywhere near as good as i would hope but its down mostly to the system and tactics i think.

Has nothing to do with tactics ben, you can see why, his partner Ngog was at least putting a shift in and working for the team. Torres was just sitting there doing nothing.

by **teamleader1** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:17 pm

Dundalk wrote:I can understand a new manager coming in will affect a players performance in different ways but again ill go back to the point that a world class forward, no matter who the manger is or where in the world he is playing should be putting away the chance Torres has missed recently. It may be that Roys tactics dont suit Torres but its not as if he was to hot at times last year and we all now what happened at the World cup, albeit he was injured.

Where is the Torres from three years ago? If its a confidence thing then fair enough. He needs to get is sorted it might have something to do with the World Cup, who knows. But we cant afford to be carrying passengers no matter who they are and at the moment I would rather have Babel in the team and i NEVER though Id say that!

No doubt he will score a hatrick next weekend but I like you will not be fooled by it until we see some consistency. His link up play and general performance all season had been poor.

Im sorry but at the moment he is not good enough. Sub bench.

Have to agree with that.
I also think that the manager is responsible for allowing players to get away with putting in poor performances without dragging them off at the very least.
Fabio is still by a country mile the best LB at the club and RH only sees him as cover, that worries me
I also never thought Id say it but I thought that based on most of Nandos performances this term, Babel should have started the game.
I want to back RH, but he has surprised me how indecisive he is.
I want someone to grab the team by the scruff of the neck and demand that every player no matter how big a name puts a shift in.
If they don't like it, Sell them

by **metalhead** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:18 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:"Newcastle notoriously difficult to beat at home." - Roy Hodgson.

Really, Roy? A side we consistently tank most seasons, home and away. A side that has lost it's last three at home and are really struggling for form. Really, Roy?

Problem? they are hard to beat at home, Chelsea drew there.

And Chelsea are on cracking form recently, aren't they?

Fact is, Newcastle are in a state. They've lost 3 at home and drew three. Formidable, aren't they? Roy certainly seems to think so. Their manager was recently sacked, they are all over the place at the moment, and Roy should have had that team sent out today to string them up by the balls and show no mercy. What happens? On the 55th minute mark or so, the team starts to back off having just gained some momentum after scoring. A change needed to be made somewhere, but he sits and does his usual observation act. This wasn't a one off either. This has been the pattern of Roy's sides since day one. Play in spells, then drop off and concede. Coincidence? I don't think so.

They beat Arsenal away from home, surely they are a hard team to beat

by **glenbuck patriot** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:18 pm

The Manager has just been on saying that for a team that has aspirations of of top four football our away form is Not Good Enough!

Easy to say Roy but there's only One person to blame for that and it's time YOU fell on your Sword and left!

For whatever reason, and let me say Again it's NOT the players, you cant play the way we have taking Metalhead's point, that Well at Anfield but be so Mediocre Away from home without the Managers Tactic's coming into question.

We will NEVER be a Force under Hodgson, if that's what you guys want, praise & make excuses for him left, right and Centre, I like many Other's have seen straight through him, and the phrase never be good enough as long as he's got a hole spring to mind!

So, after 17 Games, we CAN Win at Home, We CAN beat the Countries Best (Albeit at the time it was Chelsea), we Can't Win away from Home and look a Totally different Team, the Players Hodgson has brought IN, namely Konchesky & Poulsen, are let's face it the Very Worst we have seen in a long time, Anybody who say's... "Let's give Roy money £,$, in January and be happy with what he buy's, must be very far and few between.

This Guy is a Dead Man Walking, the Team Rafa left wasn't up to much :censored:

, when this week he came out and said the Squad is great, Purslow was wrong,This team doesn't need strengthning until the Summer!

This Guy is now fast becoming a Joke, but worst of all we are too, as i've said before EVERY PL Manager Must fancy their chances against us at their place, even Pardew after 48Hrs, and that's been proven!

A Plea to NESV, SOS, no it's not Spirit of Shankly, it's Save our Season, get rid of this utter Clown NOW, before he's able to do any more damage to this once great club!

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:20 pm

metalhead wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Dundalk wrote:I can understand a new manager coming in will affect a players performance in different ways but again ill go back to the point that a world class forward, no matter who the manger is or where in the world he is playing should be putting away the chance Torres has missed recently. It may be that Roys tactics dont suit Torres but its not as if he was to hot at times last year and we all now what happened at the World cup, albeit he was injured.

Where is the Torres from three years ago? If its a confidence thing then fair enough. He needs to get is sorted it might have something to do with the World Cup, who knows. But we cant afford to be carrying passengers no matter who they are and at the moment I would rather have Babel in the team and i NEVER though Id say that!

No doubt he will score a hatrick next weekend but I like you will not be fooled by it until we see some consistency. His link up play and general performance all season had been poor.

Im sorry but at the moment he is not good enough. Sub bench.

to be fair he has aways missed chances.
The problem now is that he is so isolated by our deep lying tactics, when he gets it he is isolated 9 times out of 10.
I agree he hasnt been anywhere near as good as i would hope but its down mostly to the system and tactics i think.

Has nothing to do with tactics ben, you can see why, his partner Ngog was at least putting a shift in and working for the team. Torres was just sitting there doing nothing.

It's that long ball again and again and again ...

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