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[Thommo's perm]

Its called the "magic wand theory", where someone walks in and waves it and things change overnight.
It was (is) always going to take time and thankfully Roy has a bit of breathing space thanks to recent performances.

So if Pardew inspires Newcastle to up their game considerably at the weekend .... that wont be down to him firing them up to produce such a performance  ?..... Ok... just so we're clear on that
its not the managers fault unless he happens to be loathed like previous managers is that correct ?  .... you can understand me just clarifying that cant you ? ... I knew it wouldn't be Roy's fault how could that be  possible , I mean for the first few away games he could only have seen his face in his shoes   how could he have had any influence on the players turgid cowardly  play if he didn't look up long enough   
Listen I think the game away at St James will be a true measure of whether we have progressed, and the manager is actually capable of  changing  his stubborn approach to games and sustaining the attacking philosophy used at Spurs consistently  ..... I also believe  the fact there still  exists a feeling of apprehension amongst the supporters ,  whenever an away game is on the horizon is testament to the lack of any trust in the managers ability to actually improve us ..............  6 wins ,4 draws,6,losses and we have conceded 13 goals away from home .... lets just say its hardly the points tally of a upwardly mobile club ...so before everyone gets a tad over excited lets not forget where we are and where for that matter to our abject horror we have  been ,and while your about it think of who took us to them depths and why .... then think of who we are and the quality of player we should be attracting ...then think of Poulson and Konchesky these are the players the manager deems good enough for this great club .......
I actually think the football is coming together and the team is starting to take shape ... but if its colours nailed firmly to the mast that your looking for then look no further .... I simply don't trust the man and he's burnt far too many bridges this season ... and for that reason alone the gap between him and fans is simply too vast to try to mend ... and every minute he spends at this great club is simply 55 seconds too much ......
too brutally honest ......what do  you think ?
If Roy manages the miracle of winning the match going  fans over, then he can truly covet that result more than winning the prestigious  LMA  in fact you can place that on a par with the parting of the Red Sea in terms of miracles

Interesting stuff RBG
If Pardew fires them up it will probably be down to a number of elements but I dont expect he will be waving a magic wand.
When people use words like "fault" or "blame" it can distract us away from what is actually happening sometimes. Roys body language and demeanour can be criticised as much as Rafas bizzare antics so I tend not to put as much stock in them as you do. "Stubborn approach to games" is yet another telling turn of phrase which is used to criticise.
I understand perfectly the apprehension of fans and agree with them to a point and Im not excited, yet. I am however feeling better than I have in 12 months that finally we are looking like a team who is trying to play football with confidence and belief. I personally cant be ar'sed going over whos "fault" it is or whos to "blame" and I prefer to think positively and echo your: "I actually think the football is coming together and the team is starting to take shape" statement. I am not sure about Poulsen but I agree about Konchesky. He is cr'ap and if he doesnt improve the Hodgons must have the balls to get rid. He is not the only manager who has made mistakes like that and he wont be the last. I disagree entirely with your "burnt far too many bridges" etc. comment, as it is only in the minds of those who wish to make a big thing out whats been said or done. Over-reaction is not something to be proud of and it certainly doesnt make someone sound rational.
If match goers prefer not be won over by Hodgson no matter what he does then that is their choice. But it doesnt make them big or clever to refuse to acknowledge if someone does a good job. If that happens, that is...

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Interesting stuff RBG
If Pardew fires them up it will probably be down to a number of elements but I dont expect he will be waving a magic wand.
When people use words like "fault" or "blame" it can distract us away from what is actually happening sometimes. Roys body language and demeanour can be criticised as much as Rafas bizzare antics so I tend not to put as much stock in them as you do. "Stubborn approach to games" is yet another telling turn of phrase which is used to criticise.
I understand perfectly the apprehension of fans and agree with them to a point and Im not excited, yet. I am however feeling better than I have in 12 months that finally we are looking like a team who is trying to play football with confidence and belief. I personally cant be ar'sed going over whos "fault" it is or whos to "blame" and I prefer to think positively and echo your: "I actually think the football is coming together and the team is starting to take shape" statement. I am not sure about Poulsen but I agree about Konchesky. He is cr'ap and if he doesnt improve the Hodgons must have the balls to get rid. He is not the only manager who has made mistakes like that and he wont be the last. I disagree entirely with your "burnt far too many bridges" etc. comment, as it is only in the minds of those who wish to make a big thing out whats been said or done. Over-reaction is not something to be proud of and it certainly doesnt make someone sound rational.
If match goers prefer not be won over by Hodgson no matter what he does then that is their choice. But it doesnt make them big or clever to refuse to acknowledge if someone does a good job. If that happens, that is...

Good balanced post ...and I mean that ...
I suppose on occasions I think posters just let this Rafa, Roy thing corrupt their posts ...and I suppose with my description of the current managers traits then I am guilty of doing just that ..so for that I apologise ..... I just don't get the people who are so quick to praise him given the games we have lost and drawn so early in the season .....Yes the football is becoming more fluid and the urgency in our attack is much greater and we are starting to look like a team ....but seriously do we look like a top four team ?
Is the football we are seeing impressing enough to forget the soulless passionless displays we have been subject to ?
as for the forthcoming season I suspect that we will continue to flatter to deceive when playing away .... its Ok though because the manager has informed us it is notoriously difficult to get away results so all bases covered there then ......
if there is a serious upturn in results on a consistent basis then he will in all honesty turn the tide and regain the support of the fan base .... meanwhile though Man City don't appear to be losing too many games of late and they are slowly creeping out of our reach ....... but I agree I am starting to feel better for the season as a whole ....lets face it after the ritual humiliation  of languishing just above the bottom  three for what seemed an eternity that  wouldn't be difficult ....now would it ?

[parchpea]

People generally like their manager if they winning and hate them when the are losing simple as that. If Hodgson can put together a really good team here and gets us going he will be alright but anything short and hes in for it. I personally couldnt care if we had Heinrich Himler as coach so long as we are tonking sides every week. In an ideal world you we would all like a hero manager to worship in tandem with his red hot team but in reality the bond is a slow burner and results ultimately shape the fan/manager relationship one way or the other.

[devaney]

Interesting stuff RBG
If Pardew fires them up it will probably be down to a number of elements but I dont expect he will be waving a magic wand.
When people use words like "fault" or "blame" it can distract us away from what is actually happening sometimes. Roys body language and demeanour can be criticised as much as Rafas bizzare antics so I tend not to put as much stock in them as you do. "Stubborn approach to games" is yet another telling turn of phrase which is used to criticise.
I understand perfectly the apprehension of fans and agree with them to a point and Im not excited, yet. I am however feeling better than I have in 12 months that finally we are looking like a team who is trying to play football with confidence and belief. I personally cant be ar'sed going over whos "fault" it is or whos to "blame" and I prefer to think positively and echo your: "I actually think the football is coming together and the team is starting to take shape" statement. I am not sure about Poulsen but I agree about Konchesky. He is cr'ap and if he doesnt improve the Hodgons must have the balls to get rid. He is not the only manager who has made mistakes like that and he wont be the last. I disagree entirely with your "burnt far too many bridges" etc. comment, as it is only in the minds of those who wish to make a big thing out whats been said or done. Over-reaction is not something to be proud of and it certainly doesnt make someone sound rational.
If match goers prefer not be won over by Hodgson no matter what he does then that is their choice. But it doesnt make them big or clever to refuse to acknowledge if someone does a good job. If that happens, that is...

Good balanced post ...and I mean that ...
I suppose on occasions I think posters just let this Rafa, Roy thing corrupt their posts ...and I suppose with my description of the current managers traits then I am guilty of doing just that ..so for that I apologise ..... I just don't get the people who are so quick to praise him given the games we have lost and drawn so early in the season .....Yes the football is becoming more fluid and the urgency in our attack is much greater and we are starting to look like a team ....but seriously do we look like a top four team ?
Is the football we are seeing impressing enough to forget the soulless passionless displays we have been subject to ?
as for the forthcoming season I suspect that we will continue to flatter to deceive when playing away .... its Ok though because the manager has informed us it is notoriously difficult to get away results so all bases covered there then ......
if there is a serious upturn in results on a consistent basis then he will in all honesty turn the tide and regain the support of the fan base .... meanwhile though Man City don't appear to be losing too many games of late and they are slowly creeping out of our reach ....... but I agree I am starting to feel better for the season as a whole ....lets face it after the ritual humiliation  of languishing just above the bottom  three for what seemed an eternity that  wouldn't be difficult ....now would it ?

Surely it is reasonable to think that RH deserved some time given the debacle that was LFC when he arrived. The behaviour of H & G had made us a laughing stock. The players were demotivated and understandably fed up. Very easy to simply say they are very highly paid and they should get on with it but that is a lot easier said than done. RH has had to put up with chants of Rafa and Dalglish together with You're Going To Get Sacked In The Morning! Many supporters have not given the guy a chance. The behaviour of some fans has been of spoilt brat like quality and something that Shankly and Paisley would have been ashamed of. IT IS TIME TO GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND STOP ALL THE NEGATIVITY AND WHINGING! Hodgson is beginning to get quite a lot out of some of the players that looked thoroughly inept in the past - surely that must say something!

[The Good Yank]

Very well said devaney.  Roy got grief for the opening day draw to Arsenal, down to ten men for an hour and a ball in the sun that baffled Reina.  But let's face it.  The gloves were off before a ball was even kicked.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Surely it is reasonable to think that RH deserved some time given the debacle that was LFC when he arrived. The behaviour of H & G had made us a laughing stock. The players were demotivated and understandably fed up. Very easy to simply say they are very highly paid and they should get on with it but that is a lot easier said than done. RH has had to put up with chants of Rafa and Dalglish together with You're Going To Get Sacked In The Morning! Many supporters have not given the guy a chance. The behaviour of some fans has been of spoilt brat like quality and something that Shankly and Paisley would have been ashamed of. IT IS TIME TO GET BEHIND THE TREAM AND STOP ALL THE NEGATIVITY AND WHINGING! Hodgson is beginning to get quite a lot out of some of the players that looked thoroughly inept in the past - surely that must say something!

I have been to a fair few games this season and whilst I have heard the away fans shouting for Dalglish  mainly after our ridiculously passionless performance against Stoke and that was virtually a unanimous decision made by 3000 travelling fans    ,I must admit I don't recall (well albeit from the odd beaut )Benitez's name being chanted ?
or for that matter any fans singing "You're Going To Get Sacked In The Morning" never heard it ...as for  Paisley and Shanks they would be turning in their respective graves ,but not over the behaviour of the fans ,it would be the lack of heart and the total failure to show any fight from the team and its manager that culminated in us fans wallowing in despair sitting uncomfortably in the bottom four  .... and can we cease with the capital letters  I've got a headache  oh and on the subject of inept players suddenly coming good ...Yes I admit mediocre players are playing better football .... but its the World Class players that he has no clue how to employ that worries me Torres ,Gerrard, Agger, and even to a lesser extent Cole  ...all look decidedly uncomfortable on the pitch especially when playing away .....
I mean Joe Cole may not be in scintillating form ,but surely he should have some idea about where to play him in order to get the very best out of him ..................

[Thommo's perm]

Interesting stuff RBG
If Pardew fires them up it will probably be down to a number of elements but I dont expect he will be waving a magic wand.
When people use words like "fault" or "blame" it can distract us away from what is actually happening sometimes. Roys body language and demeanour can be criticised as much as Rafas bizzare antics so I tend not to put as much stock in them as you do. "Stubborn approach to games" is yet another telling turn of phrase which is used to criticise.
I understand perfectly the apprehension of fans and agree with them to a point and Im not excited, yet. I am however feeling better than I have in 12 months that finally we are looking like a team who is trying to play football with confidence and belief. I personally cant be ar'sed going over whos "fault" it is or whos to "blame" and I prefer to think positively and echo your: "I actually think the football is coming together and the team is starting to take shape" statement. I am not sure about Poulsen but I agree about Konchesky. He is cr'ap and if he doesnt improve the Hodgons must have the balls to get rid. He is not the only manager who has made mistakes like that and he wont be the last. I disagree entirely with your "burnt far too many bridges" etc. comment, as it is only in the minds of those who wish to make a big thing out whats been said or done. Over-reaction is not something to be proud of and it certainly doesnt make someone sound rational.
If match goers prefer not be won over by Hodgson no matter what he does then that is their choice. But it doesnt make them big or clever to refuse to acknowledge if someone does a good job. If that happens, that is...

Good balanced post ...and I mean that ...
I suppose on occasions I think posters just let this Rafa, Roy thing corrupt their posts ...and I suppose with my description of the current managers traits then I am guilty of doing just that ..so for that I apologise ..... I just don't get the people who are so quick to praise him given the games we have lost and drawn so early in the season .....Yes the football is becoming more fluid and the urgency in our attack is much greater and we are starting to look like a team ....but seriously do we look like a top four team ?
Is the football we are seeing impressing enough to forget the soulless passionless displays we have been subject to ?
as for the forthcoming season I suspect that we will continue to flatter to deceive when playing away .... its Ok though because the manager has informed us it is notoriously difficult to get away results so all bases covered there then ......
if there is a serious upturn in results on a consistent basis then he will in all honesty turn the tide and regain the support of the fan base .... meanwhile though Man City don't appear to be losing too many games of late and they are slowly creeping out of our reach ....... but I agree I am starting to feel better for the season as a whole ....lets face it after the ritual humiliation  of languishing just above the bottom  three for what seemed an eternity that  wouldn't be difficult ....now would it ?

Your posts are so much nicer when youre sober

Just one point:
"....but seriously do we look like a top four team ?"
I am reliably informed that chelsea are currently in the top four...

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Your posts are so much nicer when youre sober

Just one point:
"....but seriously do we look like a top four team ?"
I am reliably informed that chelsea are currently in the top four...

I'm currently on the wagon... and its killing me being so sensible  as for the top four question ... Exactly I would say we look more like Chelsea than the position they currently hold ...

[devaney]

Surely it is reasonable to think that RH deserved some time given the debacle that was LFC when he arrived. The behaviour of H & G had made us a laughing stock. The players were demotivated and understandably fed up. Very easy to simply say they are very highly paid and they should get on with it but that is a lot easier said than done. RH has had to put up with chants of Rafa and Dalglish together with You're Going To Get Sacked In The Morning! Many supporters have not given the guy a chance. The behaviour of some fans has been of spoilt brat like quality and something that Shankly and Paisley would have been ashamed of. IT IS TIME TO GET BEHIND THE TREAM AND STOP ALL THE NEGATIVITY AND WHINGING! Hodgson is beginning to get quite a lot out of some of the players that looked thoroughly inept in the past - surely that must say something!

I have been to a fair few games this season and whilst I have heard the away fans shouting for Dalglish  mainly after our ridiculously passionless performance against Stoke and that was virtually a unanimous decision made by 3000 travelling fans    ,I must admit I don't recall (well albeit from the odd beaut )Benitez's name being chanted ?
or for that matter any fans singing "You're Going To Get Sacked In The Morning" never heard it ...as for  Paisley and Shanks they would be turning in their respective graves ,but not over the behaviour of the fans ,it would be the lack of heart and the total failure to show any fight from the team and its manager that culminated in us fans wallowing in despair sitting uncomfortably in the bottom four  .... and can we cease with the capital letters  I've got a headache  oh and on the subject of inept players suddenly coming good ...Yes I admit mediocre players are playing better football .... but its the World Class players that he has no clue how to employ that worries me Torres ,Gerrard, Agger, and even to a lesser extent Cole  ...all look decidedly uncomfortable on the pitch especially when playing away .....
I mean Joe Cole may not be in scintillating form ,but surely he should have some idea about where to play him in order to get the very best out of him ..................

Sorry about the capitals - not shouting - simply trying to highlight a problem.

Cole has been a serious disappointment since he arrived and only time will tell. Based on his form I doubt it would have made a lot of difference what position RH had played him in. It was always going to be a risk with his injury record and his lack of first team football with Chelsea. Possibly offload at the end of the season - who knows? 

Gerrard and Torres's body language and especially Torres hasn't looked brilliant for a very long time and so I think it is unreasonable to simply blame  Hodgson for their lack of form or mental state.Hodgson needs to be given a reasonable amount of time to sort out what was simply a debacle.  I hate to say this but we have looked a far better team without Gerrard against Spurs and Gerrard, Torres and Carragher against  Villa. Are the other players intimidated by their very existence on the field and the need for everything to go through Gerrard? I don't know the answer to that but what I do know is that the quality of the football and the determination was massively different from some of this seasons earlier performances. Possibly it was coincidence and the overall spirit throughout the club is now improving as the previous moronic owners are becoming an annoying memory rather than an utterly disruptive influence. No manager was going to come in and sort this mess out overnight. Let's face it, managing a top football club is not an easy job. Rafa isn't finding life a bed of roses in Serie A with a treble winning side and that's a vastly different league to the EPL. Hodgson was never given a chance by some fans and I find that difficult to accept having been a Liverpool fan for over 40 years. We have always got behind the team and supported the manager so what has suddenly changed? Spoiled brat syndrome and whinging glory hunting supporters our just two of the problems. Whatever happened to YNWA ?

[Ola Mr Benitez]

Cole has been a serious disappointment since he arrived and only time will tell. Based on his form I doubt it would have made a lot of difference what position RH had played him in. It was always going to be a risk with his injury record and his lack of first team football with Chelsea. Possibly offload at the end of the season - who knows? 

Gerrard and Torres's body language and especially Torres hasn't looked brilliant for a very long time and so I think it is unreasonable to simply blame  Hodgson for their lack of form or mental state.Hodgson needs to be given a reasonable amount of time to sort out what was simply a debacle.  I hate to say this but we have looked a far better team without Gerrard against Spurs and Gerrard, Torres and Carragher against  Villa. Are the other players intimidated by their very existence on the field and the need for everything to go through Gerrard? I don't know the answer to that but what I do know is that the quality of the football and the determination was massively different from some of this seasons earlier performances. Possibly it was coincidence and the overall spirit throughout the club is now improving as the previous moronic owners are becoming an annoying memory rather than an utterly disruptive influence. No manager was going to come in and sort this mess out overnight. Let's face it, managing a top football club is not an easy job. Rafa isn't finding life a bed of roses in Serie A with a treble winning side and that's a vastly different league to the EPL. Hodgson was never given a chance by some fans and I find that difficult to accept having been a Liverpool fan for over 40 years. We have always got behind the team and supported the manager so what has suddenly changed? Spoiled brat syndrome and whinging glory hunting supporters our just two of the problems. Whatever happened to YNWA ?

Great Post - Totally agree 

[Thommo's perm]

Whatever happened to YNWA ?

We left it in Istanbul

[metalhead]

Sorry about the capitals - not shouting - simply trying to highlight a problem.

Cole has been a serious disappointment since he arrived and only time will tell. Based on his form I doubt it would have made a lot of difference what position RH had played him in. It was always going to be a risk with his injury record and his lack of first team football with Chelsea. Possibly offload at the end of the season - who knows? 

Gerrard and Torres's body language and especially Torres hasn't looked brilliant for a very long time and so I think it is unreasonable to simply blame  Hodgson for their lack of form or mental state.Hodgson needs to be given a reasonable amount of time to sort out what was simply a debacle.  I hate to say this but we have looked a far better team without Gerrard against Spurs and Gerrard, Torres and Carragher against  Villa. Are the other players intimidated by their very existence on the field and the need for everything to go through Gerrard? I don't know the answer to that but what I do know is that the quality of the football and the determination was massively different from some of this seasons earlier performances. Possibly it was coincidence and the overall spirit throughout the club is now improving as the previous moronic owners are becoming an annoying memory rather than an utterly disruptive influence. No manager was going to come in and sort this mess out overnight. Let's face it, managing a top football club is not an easy job. Rafa isn't finding life a bed of roses in Serie A with a treble winning side and that's a vastly different league to the EPL. Hodgson was never given a chance by some fans and I find that difficult to accept having been a Liverpool fan for over 40 years. We have always got behind the team and supported the manager so what has suddenly changed? Spoiled brat syndrome and whinging glory hunting supporters our just two of the problems. Whatever happened to YNWA ?

Brilliant post mate, well put

[dutchman]

Cole has been a serious disappointment since he arrived and only time will tell. Based on his form I doubt it would have made a lot of difference what position RH had played him in. It was always going to be a risk with his injury record and his lack of first team football with Chelsea. Possibly offload at the end of the season - who knows? 

Gerrard and Torres's body language and especially Torres hasn't looked brilliant for a very long time and so I think it is unreasonable to simply blame  Hodgson for their lack of form or mental state.Hodgson needs to be given a reasonable amount of time to sort out what was simply a debacle.  I hate to say this but we have looked a far better team without Gerrard against Spurs and Gerrard, Torres and Carragher against  Villa. Are the other players intimidated by their very existence on the field and the need for everything to go through Gerrard? I don't know the answer to that but what I do know is that the quality of the football and the determination was massively different from some of this seasons earlier performances. Possibly it was coincidence and the overall spirit throughout the club is now improving as the previous moronic owners are becoming an annoying memory rather than an utterly disruptive influence. No manager was going to come in and sort this mess out overnight. Let's face it, managing a top football club is not an easy job. Rafa isn't finding life a bed of roses in Serie A with a treble winning side and that's a vastly different league to the EPL. Hodgson was never given a chance by some fans and I find that difficult to accept having been a Liverpool fan for over 40 years. We have always got behind the team and supported the manager so what has suddenly changed? Spoiled brat syndrome and whinging glory hunting supporters our just two of the problems. Whatever happened to YNWA ?

Excellent post devaney, agree 100%

[Dundalk]

Roy Hodgson ignored advice from Liverpool board over selling players



Roy Hodgson has revealed Christian Purslow, Liverpool's former managing director, handed him a list of players to sell in the summer and believes the team's recent improvement stems from his decision to ignore the businessman's advice.

The Liverpool manager did not disclose the names on the list of expendables as he gave an indication of the extent of boardroom interference at Anfield prior to October's takeover by New England Sports Ventures. However, Hodgson's admission came as he heralded the influence of the likes of Lucas Leiva, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, David Ngog and even Ryan Babel, who has impressed as a striker in Liverpool's past two matches, on recently enhanced performances.

"I got a list from Christian," said Hodgson. "He had been here for just over a year and was a big fan of the club as well as being managing director. He had very strong opinions about lots of players and he gave lots of opinions about them. I listened but I made it perfectly clear that I wouldn't act on it. To some extent, he was saying what a lot of other people might have done. But now when he rings or texts me, to be fair, he says what a good job [that] we didn't do the things that had been suggested.

"There are still areas of the squad where we are not so rich. If we hit a couple of bad spells with injury we could be in quite a bit of trouble. I'm not certain our depth is what it should be and we certainly don't have the depth of Tottenham, Chelsea or Arsenal."

Liverpool's owners are engaged in a global search for a replacement for Purslow, who left the club within days of the takeover, and Hodgson admits NESV faces a dilemma in January over whether to spend in a difficult transfer window to enhance the team's prospects of qualifying for Europe. He believes the progress made by several players in recent weeks may alleviate the pressure to spend next month.

The manager, whose side face Newcastle United this evening, added: "If they want to invest a lot of money, it is up to them. If we find the right players, I am not going to say to them: 'Don't do it.' I'm not that stupid, I want to work with the best players possible. With the change that has gone on at the club and the new regime, it would be sensible for the new owners to be a bit more circumspect and get a closer look at everything. I don't think it would be a bad thing for us to keep testing out this squad of players.

"We could have made a lot of mistakes. With that in mind, we have to be careful. My message to them would be – and it is not a secret because I have had discussions with John [W Henry] about it – if the right players become available and we really think they will push us on, we should go for them."

[7_Kewell]

Sorry about the capitals - not shouting - simply trying to highlight a problem.

Cole has been a serious disappointment since he arrived and only time will tell. Based on his form I doubt it would have made a lot of difference what position RH had played him in. It was always going to be a risk with his injury record and his lack of first team football with Chelsea. Possibly offload at the end of the season - who knows? 

Gerrard and Torres's body language and especially Torres hasn't looked brilliant for a very long time and so I think it is unreasonable to simply blame  Hodgson for their lack of form or mental state.Hodgson needs to be given a reasonable amount of time to sort out what was simply a debacle.  I hate to say this but we have looked a far better team without Gerrard against Spurs and Gerrard, Torres and Carragher against  Villa. Are the other players intimidated by their very existence on the field and the need for everything to go through Gerrard? I don't know the answer to that but what I do know is that the quality of the football and the determination was massively different from some of this seasons earlier performances. Possibly it was coincidence and the overall spirit throughout the club is now improving as the previous moronic owners are becoming an annoying memory rather than an utterly disruptive influence. No manager was going to come in and sort this mess out overnight. Let's face it, managing a top football club is not an easy job. Rafa isn't finding life a bed of roses in Serie A with a treble winning side and that's a vastly different league to the EPL. Hodgson was never given a chance by some fans and I find that difficult to accept having been a Liverpool fan for over 40 years. We have always got behind the team and supported the manager so what has suddenly changed? Spoiled brat syndrome and whinging glory hunting supporters our just two of the problems. Whatever happened to YNWA ?

superb post mate.