Liverpool FC Forum

by **redsoxfan** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:38 am

kazza wrote:
redsoxfan wrote:
Reg wrote:
metalhead wrote:Well, they experienced a one hell of an atmosphere today, just wait until we get back into the CL.. they won't know what hit em

Exactly, thats the whole point, they were there to witness it. It aint like a baseball crowd or atmosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1szUC3ZiEo

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/video...._id=bos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZUK4Ci3cM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9hxbD-A8Q&feature=related

No offence mate but that is nothing compared to a football atmosphere, and in football it goes on throughout the match not just at the end. The close proximity of the fans to the field is probably the difference. You can feel the noise on your chest.

No offense here either my friend.

But I can tell you that American sports have a great deal of passion too. Human beings who follow football are built no differently than those who follow NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc. They have the same lungs and the same vocal chords. They can only scream and yell so loud based on their physical limitations.

To say that lifelong baseball supporters don't show immense passion is incorrect. A fan of the Red Sox since the 1940s like my father has lived and died through their heartbreak and triumphs, listening or watching every single game they've played, reading about them every day in the papers, debating about them with his friends and family. How can you possibly suggest that that passion is inferior to an LFC supporter's? The nature of the game (length, stops and starts, etc) affects the perception. Heck, in the US many of us are very passionate supporters of two or even three teams in different sports. Yes that same person can act cerebral at a baseball game due to the game's pace, but he also acts like a raving animal at an NFL game.

So my point is, Henry knew what sports passion is, trust me, long before he ever reached Liverpool.

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:10 am

Redsoxfan , this is not a dig at you mate or rounders, but you've made the point yourself in your last post . You say many of you are passionate supporters of two or three teams in different sports . I'd say that's the clear difference with LFC fans or the vast majority of them anyway . There is no room for anything else , its LFC or nothing ,even the majority of match going fans couldn't give two :censored:

about there national team . Oh they might take an interest in england or whoever , but it will be LFC that's in there hearts and on there minds . It's a cultural thing i think ,that's all .I'm not saying LFC are better or worse than redsoxfans ,it's just the support is shown in a different way . Anyway i think it would be a good idea to have some sort of supporter exchange and it would certainly help clear the debate up .

by **Red-er-Dare** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:49 am

LFC2007 wrote:
redsoxfan wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1szUC3ZiEo

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/video...._id=bos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZUK4Ci3cM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9hxbD-A8Q&feature=related

pffffft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11MQnQ8QjJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_BGkFYHG5Y

That made the hairs on my back stand up (YNWA).

Those are the kind of nights we live for...

by **Reg** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:25 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Redsoxfan , this is not a dig at you mate or rounders, but you've made the point yourself in your last post . You say many of you are passionate supporters of two or three teams in different sports . I'd say that's the clear difference with LFC fans or the vast majority of them anyway . There is no room for anything else , its LFC or nothing ,even the majority of match going fans couldn't give two about there national team . Oh they might take an interest in england or whoever , but it will be LFC that's in there hearts and on there minds . It's a cultural thing i think ,that's all .I'm not saying LFC are better or worse than redsoxfans ,it's just the support is shown in a different way . Anyway i think it would be a good idea to have some sort of supporter exchange and it would certainly help clear the debate up .

Got to agree with Igor.

I dont even watch other games. When you lads mention a player, most times I have to look them up on the internet to see who they are. I dont give a fig about anyother team than Liverpool. Honest truth, I dont think I cant name even 2 Everton players. The bald yankee goalie I know and some black fella up front called yobbo. And thats only because he's got a díckhead name.

by **crim cram** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:52 pm

Reg wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Redsoxfan , this is not a dig at you mate or rounders, but you've made the point yourself in your last post . You say many of you are passionate supporters of two or three teams in different sports . I'd say that's the clear difference with LFC fans or the vast majority of them anyway . There is no room for anything else , its LFC or nothing ,even the majority of match going fans couldn't give two about there national team . Oh they might take an interest in england or whoever , but it will be LFC that's in there hearts and on there minds . It's a cultural thing i think ,that's all .I'm not saying LFC are better or worse than redsoxfans ,it's just the support is shown in a different way . Anyway i think it would be a good idea to have some sort of supporter exchange and it would certainly help clear the debate up .

Got to agree with Igor.

I dont even watch other games. When you lads mention a player, most times I have to look them up on the internet to see who they are. I dont give a fig about anyother team than Liverpool. Honest truth, I dont think I cant name even 2 Everton players. The bald yankee goalie I know and some black fella up front called yobbo. And thats only because he's got a díckhead name.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:23 pm

redsoxfan wrote:No offense here either my friend. But I can tell you that American sports have a great deal of passion too. Human beings who follow football are built no differently than those who follow NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc. They have the same lungs and the same vocal chords. They can only scream and yell so loud based on their physical limitations.

To say that lifelong baseball supporters don't show immense passion is incorrect. A fan of the Red Sox since the 1940s like my father has lived and died through their heartbreak and triumphs, listening or watching every single game they've played, reading about them every day in the papers, debating about them with his friends and family. How can you possibly suggest that that passion is inferior to an LFC supporter's? The nature of the game (length, stops and starts, etc) affects the perception. Heck, in the US many of us are very passionate supporters of two or even three teams in different sports. Yes that same person can act cerebral at a baseball game due to the game's pace, but he also acts like a raving animal at an NFL game.

So my point is, Henry knew what sports passion is, trust me, long before he ever reached Liverpool.

Just to follow on from Igor's post ...... its Clear you have a lot to learn about Liverpool fans and the nature of the word passion ....we have one team and all others pale into insignificance ....
John Henry will receive a true lesson in passionate support every time he visits Anfield .....face it Lad he has a new mistress and its the most seductive he will ever meet ....as for the examples you offered up as passionate support ...without causing offence they were a bit weak lad .........

by **Waldo** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:10 pm

No need to be condecending towards Resox fans - different country, different cultures, different approach to sport etc.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:38 pm

Waldo wrote:No need to be condecending towards Resox fans - different country, different cultures, different approach to sport etc.

We know ....we just had two owners who had a very different approach to sport

so forgive me if I am slightly on my guard

by **alwayslfc** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:52 am

The new owners have to learn fast re: how to manage a big football club like Liverpool. They have no experience in managing an English football club. This is not baseball but European football where players can be sold and managers sacked despite having signed a 5 year contract.

JH said that in U.S. baseball players seldom leave their clubs unless in exceptional circumstances. Well, he must know that here players can leave whenever the transfer window opens. If he applies U.S. baseball strategies to English football, he'd expect Torres, Reina etc will see to the end of their contracts and Roy's replacement will be found after his 3 year contract is over (scary thought).

That's why I hope JH and the rest of the American board members will learn fast and realise here everything is different.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:47 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Redsoxfan , this is not a dig at you mate or rounders, but you've made the point yourself in your last post . You say many of you are passionate supporters of two or three teams in different sports . I'd say that's the clear difference with LFC fans or the vast majority of them anyway . There is no room for anything else , its LFC or nothing ,even the majority of match going fans couldn't give two about there national team . Oh they might take an interest in england or whoever , but it will be LFC that's in there hearts and on there minds . It's a cultural thing i think ,that's all .I'm not saying LFC are better or worse than redsoxfans ,it's just the support is shown in a different way . Anyway i think it would be a good idea to have some sort of supporter exchange and it would certainly help clear the debate up .

nothing wrong with exposing one's self to different sports Igor, doesnt make one any less of a fan. for example, i used to watch the NBA and really liked the Bulls during the era of Pippen, Kukoc, etc.

by **Waldo** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:05 pm

Delighted that the clubs business is being done behind closed doors but keen to undertand what, if anything, people on here have heard about the new Chief Exec appointment?? Given the points made on here regarding John W Henry not undertanding european football, the club, the fans etc the appointment of the new Chief Exec is the single most important ongoing issue at the club.

The only rumour I have heard is Peter Lawell of Celtic. Although Scottish football is in a bad state at the moment Celtic are a very run club. I know a lot of Celtic fans who think he would be good for our club. Plenty of experience of football in UK and europe but also responsible for the appointments of Mowbray and Lennon

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:16 pm

Liverpool Echo 16th Nov 2010

OWNER John W Henry has urged Liverpool’s players to give everything to transform the club’s fortunes as he admitted reinforcements are unlikely to arrive until next summer.

The American, who revealed that his investment company New England Sports Ventures (NESV) will change its name to Fenway Sports Group, admitted the Reds are in a “very difficult period”.

But Henry insists blaming anyone will achieve nothing and he says they will only come through it if everyone pulls in the same direction.

“The club has gone through a very difficult period and the period has not ended,” he said.

“It’s up to us to build a winner going forward. It’s up to them (the players) to determine to win now.

“We saw a certain team on the field against Chelsea last week that showed what they can do.

“We also know how competitive the EPL is this year. There are no guaranteed matches any longer for any club. This club can be better.
any one particular player is simply wrong. This club needs to play up to their potential every match. If they don’t, they won’t win.”

Answering questions from independent Liverpool FC website Red and White Kop, Henry vowed to invest in the squad but believes the club will conduct most of its business at the end of the season rather than in January.

“We have work to do and must invest in this club to improve it on the field,” he added. “Can that be successfully done in January? A number of people I’ve talked with doubt it.

“Most people seem to think it will be the summer before we can really begin to improve.

“So the players – all 11 each week – have to be on the same page every match and have to live up to the history and respect this club has engendered – no matter what.

“I’ve met with a number of our players and had private discussions with some of them. I’ve been greatly impressed by them personally. They are all exceptionally bright and they all want to be here.

“The question they have had, rightfully so, is whether or not the club is going to go in the right direction. They all want to see that.
“I have been very forthright about our philosophy and about what we are going to try to achieve. Some would prefer a quick fix. Others prefer to focus on the long-term and that is very difficult for most players.

“But this club needs everyone on the same page every day. We need everyone focused on what needs to be done in the next match facing us and during that match.

“The club should not have to settle for less. As one insightful player told me, “The spirit of the side needs to be there like a family – as one.”

Henry added: “The values that we have to strive for within the club at Liverpool emanate from the supporters.

“We cannot have anyone at the club who when they walk into the Academy, Melwood or Anfield, aren’t aware of club values and that the club comes first and foremost.

“In Boston every player who puts on a Boston Red Sox uniform knows what it means to wear that uniform. It’s something very special. Wearing that uniform has a great deal of meaning.

“We will make mistakes and it will be up to us to correct them. With the level of support this club has, if we are all on the same page, we will be incredibly successful.”

by **redsoxfan** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:56 am

I'm not at all offended by the LFC/Sox "passion" comparison. It's a good debate and done with mutual respect. We just disagree a bit, as we have experienced different things in different places. We all want the same thing, which is success for LFC. I'm here to learn and if I can be of any resource to any of you also, just ask.

by **killerp** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:06 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Liverpool Echo 16th Nov 2010

OWNER John W Henry has urged Liverpool’s players to give everything to transform the club’s fortunes as he admitted reinforcements are unlikely to arrive until next summer.

The American, who revealed that his investment company New England Sports Ventures (NESV) will change its name to Fenway Sports Group, admitted the Reds are in a “very difficult period”.

But Henry insists blaming anyone will achieve nothing and he says they will only come through it if everyone pulls in the same direction.

“The club has gone through a very difficult period and the period has not ended,” he said.

“It’s up to us to build a winner going forward. It’s up to them (the players) to determine to win now.

“We saw a certain team on the field against Chelsea last week that showed what they can do.

“We also know how competitive the EPL is this year. There are no guaranteed matches any longer for any club. This club can be better.
any one particular player is simply wrong. This club needs to play up to their potential every match. If they don’t, they won’t win.”

Answering questions from independent Liverpool FC website Red and White Kop, Henry vowed to invest in the squad but believes the club will conduct most of its business at the end of the season rather than in January.

“We have work to do and must invest in this club to improve it on the field,” he added. “Can that be successfully done in January? A number of people I’ve talked with doubt it.

“Most people seem to think it will be the summer before we can really begin to improve.

“So the players – all 11 each week – have to be on the same page every match and have to live up to the history and respect this club has engendered – no matter what.

“I’ve met with a number of our players and had private discussions with some of them. I’ve been greatly impressed by them personally. They are all exceptionally bright and they all want to be here.

“The question they have had, rightfully so, is whether or not the club is going to go in the right direction. They all want to see that.
“I have been very forthright about our philosophy and about what we are going to try to achieve. Some would prefer a quick fix. Others prefer to focus on the long-term and that is very difficult for most players.

“But this club needs everyone on the same page every day. We need everyone focused on what needs to be done in the next match facing us and during that match.

“The club should not have to settle for less. As one insightful player told me, “The spirit of the side needs to be there like a family – as one.”

Henry added: “The values that we have to strive for within the club at Liverpool emanate from the supporters.

“We cannot have anyone at the club who when they walk into the Academy, Melwood or Anfield, aren’t aware of club values and that the club comes first and foremost.

“In Boston every player who puts on a Boston Red Sox uniform knows what it means to wear that uniform. It’s something very special. Wearing that uniform has a great deal of meaning.

“We will make mistakes and it will be up to us to correct them. With the level of support this club has, if we are all on the same page, we will be incredibly successful.”

Interesting post, I agree that rushing out in January to buy players will be silly & there is really no value anyway that time of year.

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:00 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Redsoxfan , this is not a dig at you mate or rounders, but you've made the point yourself in your last post . You say many of you are passionate supporters of two or three teams in different sports . I'd say that's the clear difference with LFC fans or the vast majority of them anyway . There is no room for anything else , its LFC or nothing ,even the majority of match going fans couldn't give two about there national team . Oh they might take an interest in england or whoever , but it will be LFC that's in there hearts and on there minds . It's a cultural thing i think ,that's all .I'm not saying LFC are better or worse than redsoxfans ,it's just the support is shown in a different way . Anyway i think it would be a good idea to have some sort of supporter exchange and it would certainly help clear the debate up .

nothing wrong with exposing one's self to different sports Igor, doesnt make one any less of a fan. for example, i used to watch the NBA and really liked the Bulls during the era of Pippen, Kukoc, etc.

I didn't say it made anyone less of a fan , maybe less passionate as you have to divide you love or passion into two or three . My point was that imo the vast majority of LFC only have passion for LFC as a club . Anything else is just an interest in another club or sport. I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing i'm implying that it maybe a cultural thing .

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