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Postby Reg » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:17 pm

From what little we know so far, the overall impression is that 'silence is golden'. They haven't said a dickiebird since they took over. If TJ hadn't given a couple of interviews after teh Everton game they would have said affectively zero since they took over.

Obviously they need time but the signals given out so far about not splashing the cash will look good in the eyes of our bankers, UEFA and the FA.

One other point. Only Ayres survives from the original board of 5. Did I read 2 yanks have been appointed? What we need are more local directors who know footy, the PL and the english way in general, think thats important.

At some stage I'd also like to see some sign of fan representation and ownership but time will tell.
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Postby stmichael » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:38 pm

Liverpool owner John Henry has insisted the club have no intention of selling its best players.

There has been speculation that 26-year-old striker Fernando Torres and goalkeeper Pepe Reina, 28, are considering leaving the Anfield club.

Henry told the club's website: "I can reassure our supporters that we have no intention of allowing the team to be weakened going forward.

"We intend to build on the strength of the current squad, not undermine it."

Henry, who heads the US company New England Sports Ventures that completed a £300m takeover of Liverpool on 15 October, added: "Stories about our top players leaving are destructive and unwarranted but we realise this kind of speculation is also common."

Liverpool are currently in the Premier League relegation zone following a poor start to the campaign and the American also hinted that manager Roy Hodgson will have money to spend in the January transfer window.

"We have recently read stories about our intentions for the forthcoming January transfer window and have a sense of humour about this type of inevitable speculation," said Henry, whose NESV company also won the Boston Red Sox baseball team.

"As everyone knows we are new to English football, but not to sport, and we are studying all options. Opportunities and value will drive spending in January and in the future.

"Our clear focus from day one of our ownership has been - and will be - to improve the club and focus on what it will take to put Liverpool FC consistently in a position to challenge for trophies.

"We intend to build this club the right way."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9139511.stm
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Postby JamCar05 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:59 pm

Am liking what I hear him say, but let's wait and see what actually happens (we've heard promising things before). Hopefully he's true to his word.
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Postby parchpea » Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:26 pm

Think the team may just tick over for a year or two whilst the foundations are put down, for example the stadium and pushing the brand worldwide. When thats sorted you may start to see us sniffing around some of top end footballers and taking more of gamble on players. One of the main things for me is improving the scouting network because our record in snapping up young footballers from home and abroad has been very poor for a long time now.
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:13 pm

rocky29 wrote:first you need a successful side before all this planning for the future bullsh'it.

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get a grip man, these are in it to make us self sufficient not to throw  a lump of wad at us and buy our way out of this.
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Postby crim cram » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:32 pm

The worst thing you can do as an owner is say "we're going to 'splash the cash next transfer window'.  Its an open invitation to get done in the transfer market.  The owners shouldn't state, in any way, what their transfer budget is or will be.  Actions speak louder than words. Be patient. :pirate
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Postby tubby » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:33 pm

I agree we first need to get the team to the point where it is actually pushing for the top 4/league again. The stadium is going to take a few years to do and even then what's the point of a new stadium if the team is still in a slump?
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Postby crim cram » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:40 pm

NESV have the resources to finance the stadium, incur the initial losses, and not saddle the club with debt.  They CAN build a title challenging team, while getting the long term direction of the club on track.  Again, they Can do it, but WILL they do it.  Actions, not words.
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Postby Waldo » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:40 pm

It's absolutely pointless them coming out in public and stating that they are going to spend £XXXX millions in January as all that will do is spread rumours rife about who we'll sign and inflate the prices of our potential targets.

I am pretty sure that the 1st thing they said they would do is sit back, speak to senior and well respected people at the club, gain an understanding of exactly what the issues are, how to resolve them and take guidance from people in the know as to how to fix them.

2 weeks into their tenure and all we have heard is statements along the lines of "They have long term plans for the club, they are looking at the situation regarding the stadium, they will improve and strengthen and so on and so" no big bold statements or promises they might not be able keep and no knee jerk statements or actions.

I am happy that this is the way it is being managed and am pleased to not see the club all over the media - back to the way LFC used to be run!!!

Let's see what the next few weeks bring, I am confident that before long we will all know the plans for the stadium, understannd better the plans for the clubs long-term stability and progress and come January they will supply the manager (whoever that may be) with funds to strengthen the squad.
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Postby devaney » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:54 pm

bavlondon wrote:As Reg mentioned the money we make each year that was going on the debt is enough as long as that is actually pumped back into the team. We just need a new statium and we will see that figure rising. We may need an injection initially to get the 1st team back on par with the likes of Chelsea ect... but after that we should be able to finance ourselves.

Surely NESV aren't a registered charity like some fans would like to believe. They are going to want something back for their £300m if they are in it for the long term. Let's face it they could have left it in the bank and earned £12m to £15m a year in interest without the possible aggro they face at LFC and the law courts if H & G carry out their threats.

Don't know how profitable they have been in the past and how this purchase can reduce present and future tax bills? I think there is a lot more to this purchase than meets the eye. Clearly they believe that they bought LFC at a bargain basement price and on face value that would appear to be correct but only time will really tell and that is going to take some ruthless action to get LFC back where we belong.
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Postby Reg » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:15 pm

We´ve had 2 strokes of luck so far thank gód:

1. T&T got hammered selling at a 300 million rock bottom price creating potential investment funds available for the stadium and transfers.
2. NESV haven't put a penny of purchase related debt onto the club so far.

Doesn't get much better than that surely?
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Postby crim cram » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:22 pm

part of the reason H&G lost their a$$ was the relative value of the pound vs. the dollar when the club was bought (close to 2) and sold (closer to 1.5)  That's a huge difference not in pounds, but in dollars,  which is where both H&G's and NESV's initial primary holdings reside.  Even further karma for H&G and, hopefully NESV.
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Postby jono » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:31 am

Questions for John Henry

So on to the questions, all these have come directly from fans on the site.  I have tried to group them into themed areas to make things easier.  I guess the first theme is Why Liverpool?

1. Given that financially there are far more reliable investments. What motivates you to invest in and buy sports clubs?
We are an organization filled with people who are driven to compete at the highest level.  There certainly are better investments than sports   clubs, but we know that everything we do has meaning to large numbers of   people.  And what we do has meaning for us.  We wake up every day   thinking about what we can do improve our chances of winning a championship.  It’s incredibly interesting and we really enjoy working together toward a common goal.

2. What was your motivation, individually and as a company, for buying Liverpool FC?  Was there one thing that sold the club to you?
We kept seeing the similarities to purchasing the Red Sox in 2002.    They’ve been recounted in the media.  But the most important issue for us was the ability to compete at the highest level in the world’s biggest sport.  Liverpool FC provides that opportunity.  I believe almost any sports fan would purchase a club, if they had the means.  We had the means – both financially and with regard to organizational   strength - to run one of the most coveted sports clubs in the world.    It’s a privilege.

3. It's naiive to think you made the decision to buy Liverpool FC without the input of any "football people". Care to name-drop those who   advised you during your due dilligence?
We did our own due diligence.  We don’t know English football, but we do know the sports business.  It’s been a very steep learning curve – but one that has been rewarding and interesting.  The structure of football in Europe is totally different from what we are used to.  It’s fascinating and challenging.  Now we are lucky enough to be meeting football people who can give us input.  Our biggest responsibility is to bring in the right people to the club on and off the field.


The next group of questions are unfortunately your inheritance from the previous owners.

4.  How have NESV funded the £300m acquisition?
This simple answer is that we paid cash for LFC and left £37 million of stadium debt in place – even though there is no stadium in place – just a lot of expensive plans etc.  We view stadiums as separate from clubs.  They are separate entities.

We have some very successful partners – some of whom are big EPL fans – and we are well-financed internally.  But NESV has always had debt from the first day we purchased the Red Sox.  We have some partners who look at   Internal Rate of Return and almost demand that we have debt as a consequence.  Debt increases IRR.

I recently read the New York Yankees have $3.5 billion of debt, but I’ve never heard a Yankee fan complain about it.  I’ve never heard a Red Sox fan complain about the usage of credit.  Credit is probably more acceptable in American   culture than elsewhere.  But you have some people that are good at borrowing money and poor at investing beyond that.  There are others – and we feel we are in this camp – have lines of credit etc., that are good at running businesses prudently and invest in those businesses.

In nine years of operation our partnership has yet to make a profit distribution.  We’ve only made tax distributions.  We’ve invested a quarter of a billion dollars into Fenway Park.  We’ve invested in players – second among thirty MLB clubs – over the last nine years.  We’re invested now in LFC and there is work to be done on the stadium front there as well. Other than the stadium debt mentioned above, there is no debt on LFC.  This   has greatly reduced interest payments which I believe were running close   to £40 million per annum.


5.  Is there a contractual commitment that non of the acquisition debt will be placed on the club?
No, none was needed.

6.  How does NESV intend to extract money to make a profit on this transaction?
That’s a good question.  With the club struggling, money I can’t foresee any profits being “extracted.”  Hopefully someday LFC will be worth more than it is today.

7.  What is the capital structure and cashflow of NESV, and how does it service its debt?
It’s a private company and we do not release financial information.  LFC, however, does release financial information annually.


The next batch are all about your plans for the club now that you have your feet under the desk...

8.  All of the questions I would want answered are to do with things he really needs to reflect on awhile. I'd be interested at this stage however, to know what his five key milestones for the next three years would be.
We are focused on getting the club positioned to win trophies within the Financial Fair Play rules that are being imposed next year.  That means off the field we are intent on increasing LFC revenues worldwide.  On the field we have to be smarter.  Arsenal and ManU have depth that is young and capable.  We do not.  We have a lot of work to do there.  A lot of work.  And we will, but we have to be smart about it.

9.  Liverpool FC needs a sustained period of stability.  Liverpool supporters will be patient as long as we can sense that we are moving in the right direction. How long are you planning on staying? Are we a long-term (10 years+) or a shorter term project?
Long-term.  Everything we do is for the long-term.

10.  Mr. Henry & co. - Liverpool Football Club has one of the largest fanbases in the world with passionate Reds in every corner of the globe. With the greatest of respect, the sport of baseball in which your team has achieved great success is a major sport in Northern America but is not comparable to Liverpool Football Club or the Premier League in terms of fanbase / viewing figures etc etc.  How do you plan to market the club globally and expand and enhance the club's profile worldwide in the future?
This requires a long answer.  Perhaps I should take a break and answer this and the other questions in the next installment.

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Postby Keris » Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:09 am

Liverpool's would-be saviour is accused of fraud

By Nick Harris
Saturday, 30 October 2010

Kenny Huang, the New York-based Chinese businessman who wanted to buy Liverpool – purportedly with the backing of the Chinese government, a claim never proved – has effectively disappeared from view since withdrawing without explanation in August.

Until yesterday, that is, when he re-emerged in London, at a sports conference, only to find himself being served with legal papers accusing him of fraud, deceit and defamation, charges that if proven could cost him around $10m (£6.2m).

In farcical scenes, he ended up running through the corridors of a five-star hotel to get away from a chasing pack of reporters and camera crews. To make his escape, he enlisted the help of a bouncer at the NFL-sponsored event, and was ushered into a lift with his bemused business partner Marc Ganis, who later told The Independent: "We had no idea what was going on."

Huang was then kept in an upstairs room before leaving via a secret exit, apparently underground, because he was next spotted emerging a couple of blocks away. He was driven off in a vehicle with tinted windows.

Huang had been served with the legal papers – by a private detective, on duty as a process server for the day – as he arrived at 9.55am. Word soon spread, and when he declined to answer any questions about his sports interests from the media during the panel session, he was pursued for answers afterwards.

The plaintiff in the legal action is a Florida resident, Deidre Halley-Wright, a former business associate of Huang. Huang is one of nine co-defendants in an action relating to a car import business. Huang has 20 days to respond to the summons, and could face a trial or a judgment against him in his absence if things get that far. The Independent has seen public papers relating to the case. Huang is accused of fraud and deceit (and conspiracy to commit both), defamation (and conspiracy to defame), and tortious interference (and conspiracy to tortiously interfere) with the plaintiff's business relationship with the car business in question, a firm called AutoChina.

Huang has been described, grandly, as a Chinese sports tycoon, although his QSL company was started only last year and Huang's major sports assets are a struggling Chinese basketball team and commercial rights to a baseball league, a sporting irrelevance in China.

He has also acted as a middle-man, introducing a beer brand and a pot noodle brand to two US sports teams for sponsorship deals. He yesterday claimed a baseball team he backs had become world champions this summer; in fact, the group of Chinese primary school children in question won a small invitation event in Japan.

Halley-Wright had tried to serve the relevant papers on Huang in America, but a judge said in August Huang had been deliberately evading service. Hence the service in London, when Huang wasn't expecting it.

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