JBG wrote:I presume that the new stadium/rebuilding will be paid for by loans. I have no problem with this. However, I fear a 'superloan' situation where other debts are rolled into the stadium loan: so what exactly are NESV's plans with the stadium and how are they going to pay for it?
NESV are making all the right noises about being sensible and not making any big promises but again H&G made the right noises too when they come in.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being but I'll wince if I start hearing any of those "Our Yanks are better than your Yanks" songs.
metalhead wrote:JBG wrote:I presume that the new stadium/rebuilding will be paid for by loans. I have no problem with this. However, I fear a 'superloan' situation where other debts are rolled into the stadium loan: so what exactly are NESV's plans with the stadium and how are they going to pay for it?
NESV are making all the right noises about being sensible and not making any big promises but again H&G made the right noises too when they come in.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being but I'll wince if I start hearing any of those "Our Yanks are better than your Yanks" songs.
First, its an interesting question, but I do read somewhere that they will follow the arsenal model if they want to build a new stadium.
Now Hicks and Gillete made the right noise by promising alot of stuff, in which NESV's case they didn't. They said not to expect too much, which is totally different on what H+G promised.
metalhead wrote:JBG wrote:I presume that the new stadium/rebuilding will be paid for by loans. I have no problem with this. However, I fear a 'superloan' situation where other debts are rolled into the stadium loan: so what exactly are NESV's plans with the stadium and how are they going to pay for it?
NESV are making all the right noises about being sensible and not making any big promises but again H&G made the right noises too when they come in.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being but I'll wince if I start hearing any of those "Our Yanks are better than your Yanks" songs.
First, its an interesting question, but I do read somewhere that they will follow the arsenal model if they want to build a new stadium.
Now Hicks and Gillete made the right noise by promising alot of stuff, in which NESV's case they didn't. They said not to expect too much, which is totally different on what H+G promised.
JBG wrote:metalhead wrote:JBG wrote:I presume that the new stadium/rebuilding will be paid for by loans. I have no problem with this. However, I fear a 'superloan' situation where other debts are rolled into the stadium loan: so what exactly are NESV's plans with the stadium and how are they going to pay for it?
NESV are making all the right noises about being sensible and not making any big promises but again H&G made the right noises too when they come in.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being but I'll wince if I start hearing any of those "Our Yanks are better than your Yanks" songs.
First, its an interesting question, but I do read somewhere that they will follow the arsenal model if they want to build a new stadium.
Now Hicks and Gillete made the right noise by promising alot of stuff, in which NESV's case they didn't. They said not to expect too much, which is totally different on what H+G promised.
Its true that NESV havent made the same blustering promises as H&G, but what they have said so far is certainly targeted at the fans, such as there being no acquisition debts, how they are committed to not using income for debt repayment and wanting to go toe to toe with UTD.
I'm nervous of how they actually plan to do this, and now that the euphoria of H&G leaving has died down, I'm increasingly nervous about what will happen. We really cant afford another couple of years of broken promises and inertia.
LFC2007 wrote:Where the £300m comes from doesn't concern me so long as it isn't debt secured against the club. Freeing up our revenues to re-invest is critical to making us competitive and the owners realising a worthwhile return on their investment, so I think it's unlikely that they would renege on that promise. I don't doubt their abilities to increase renenues, however, in the short-term I would hope that they would supplement our player spending to get us competitive for the top four again -which must surely be essential to the commercial/stadium side of things. The squad won't be sufficiently addressed - in the short-term at least - by "an intelligent look at the youth system", and of course there is no "college draft system". Producing talented youngsters capable of making the grade is a long-term ambition, and would only ever likely be supplementary to our core transfer business. To ensure we can challenge for the top four places, the current squad needs strengthened with a few players of the top calibre, and very seldom do you get one, let alone a few, for say £5m a piece. But, they needn't all cost £25m, either; the middle area is where we need to start being more intelligent when it comes to signing players. We've missed out on several players who cost similar amounts to the likes of Babel, Keane, Dossena and Aquilani - and I'm thinking the likes of Arshavin, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Bale and Bent - and the difference in quality between the two groups is truly monumental. How do we become more intelligent? I'm a firm believer in the "manager has the final say" principle, however, I'm also completely for the club demanding better justifications from the manager for his picks. Posing the right questions can lead to wiser decisions, and needn't be seen as a questioning of the manager's authority - you're just keeping him in check. You're not overruling him when you ask "is spending £17m on a fullback making the most of your transfer budget, if so, why?....", "why Aquilani, why not Sneijder?..." etc.. The manager needs to be willing to be challenged, and the chief exec (or whoever) needs to know the kinds of questions to ask; and for that the exec needs to have a reasonable understanding of the game. When NESV say they want to grow the club organically and get as much bang for their buck, that's where I think they should start.
mgabby wrote:I have a question. Will Ellsbury be back in shape next year for a full season? Do you think V-tek should be the backup catcher? Does big papi worth the money, or do we look for a new DH? Can injured Youk move to 3rd, and make room for Adrian Gonzales on 1st? Will Dice-K ever win 18 again? and do you think the Marlins will take back Backett and Lowel for HenRam?
Thanks.
JBG wrote:Now that all the hysteria and jubilation of last week's victory over H&G I'm starting to get a little nervous about NESV.
Who are they really and will they deliver on their promises? Sure, their record with the Red Sox seems impressive on the face of it but is it really as straightforward as that? I've heard almost nothing but good things about them on Liverpool forums but reading some other forums it appears that they havent been an unqualified success at Boston.
Where has the 300million acquisition fee come from? They claim that it will not be leveraged against the club but then so did H&G. 300million cant have come from nowhere: it was either raised across the NESV group where all its members agreed to cough up a certain amount of their own personal wealth or it was borrowed, or a combination of both. I suspect that there has to be some sort of borrowing somewhere down the line. If there is, how is this to be serviced?
They claim that none of Liverpool's income will go towards paying acquisition debt but can we really believe them when they say this?
How do they propose to make money out of Liverpool? Do they propose to take money each year by way of dividend or will they reinvest all profits back into Liverpool to grow the club and then try to make a big profit in the future by selling the club on when the stadium is built?
How much are they prepared to invest - from their own funds - to grow the club in the short term? Are they going to invest anything at all and load the transfer spending of the next couple of transfer windows onto the club as debt?
I presume that the new stadium/rebuilding will be paid for by loans. I have no problem with this. However, I fear a 'superloan' situation where other debts are rolled into the stadium loan: so what exactly are NESV's plans with the stadium and how are they going to pay for it?
NESV are making all the right noises about being sensible and not making any big promises but again H&G made the right noises too when they come in.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being but I'll wince if I start hearing any of those "Our Yanks are better than your Yanks" songs.
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Wherever the money has come from it isn't a loan. Our debt servicing charges (interest) have been reduced from circa £50m per annum to circa £3m per annum.
As long as the club isn't responsible for servicing debt, who cares.
7_Kewell wrote:the new owners have been making all the right noises, but (as many have said) actions will speak louder than words. On paper, they look good...but like many i'm not taking anything for granted.
First thing first, Roy needs a wad of cash to spend in Jan. our squad isn't good enough and they need to back the manager.
Reg wrote:7_Kewell wrote:the new owners have been making all the right noises, but (as many have said) actions will speak louder than words. On paper, they look good...but like many i'm not taking anything for granted.
First thing first, Roy needs a wad of cash to spend in Jan. our squad isn't good enough and they need to back the manager.
The only wad I'd give Woy is to dry his eyes on the way out.
a) He's wasted what he's been given so far,
b) Obviously far more sensible to give it to his long term successor.
Apart from that agree with you!
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