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by **Rush Job** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:45 pm

FWIW I dont think roy is a sh!t manager, I do now though think he`s not right for us and I dont see the point in dragging it on.

by **THEBARON** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:48 pm

Rafa is not coming back in the near future.

To talk about what might have happened had he stayed is irrelevant.

I think it was probably right that he left when he did. He gave us some great memories and gave it a good crack - however results did worsen last season and his Top 4 promise came back to haunt him. Yes, he did have to contend with Hicks and Gillett but that cannot ignore some bad judgements in the transfer market and some perplexing team selections.

Overall the decision to get rid was probably the right one, the problem looks like the wrong decision was made in choosing his successor.

One thing for sure is that we were never this low in the league under Rafa.

by **Scottbot** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:01 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Exactly Greavsie - yes last season was a low point for Rafa but I would take that in a flash right now . I would like to know exactly what improvement has been made since we changed managers . Can someone point out a positive for me

Tell ya what Gybs, why don't you just change your username to 'I TOLD YOU SO' and leave it at that?

by **rocky29** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:10 am

the only teams rafa would suit as manager is bolton or stoke thats where he will probably end up after failing at inter. Carnt wait til weds nite hope crouch and keane play payback time rafa

by **alxy** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:52 am

Rafa leaving was the right thing to happen at the time. Just that Roy WASN'T the right replacement.....

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:24 am

rocky29 wrote:the only teams rafa would suit as manager is bolton or stoke thats where he will probably end up after failing at inter. Carnt wait til weds nite hope crouch and keane play payback time rafa

gtfo you wum

by **Octsky** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:38 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Lets be serious here.
Who is out there who can turn this thing around, inspire good players, get rid of the dross, change the attitude and get us up the table?
Dont for one second say martin o' Fu*king neill please. Or Kenny Dalglish, Kevin Keegan, Glenn Hoddle, sven goran erickson, gary megson, steve mclaren, fabio capello or any other ridiculous suggestion
Real, viable, credible options please?

Rafa Benitez

our mistake last season is not sacking rafa earlier.
we should have sacked him after the loss to lyon in the champs league instead we let him drag on for a season.

as a result we finished 7th n qualified for the uefa f ing cup.

this season the same cannot be repeated, roy should be sacked asap n let the new manager plan who to bring in when the jan window open.

if u think LFC is too big to be relegated, think again. It happend to blackburn 5-6 yrs later after they won the league.
it happened to newcastle, the "most supported" club in england. if the rot is there, cut it off immediately.

by **mart** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:55 am

How about we swap him for Capello.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:13 am

mart wrote:How about we swap him for Capello.

vaffanculo
:;):

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:55 am

THEBARON wrote:Rafa is not coming back in the near future.

To talk about what might have happened had he stayed is irrelevant.

I think it was probably right that he left when he did. He gave us some great memories and gave it a good crack - however results did worsen last season and his Top 4 promise came back to haunt him. Yes, he did have to contend with Hicks and Gillett but that cannot ignore some bad judgements in the transfer market and some perplexing team selections.

Overall the decision to get rid was probably the right one, the problem looks like the wrong decision was made in choosing his successor.

One thing for sure is that we were never this low in the league under Rafa.

What he said.

Makes no difference to me whether Rafa would be doing better than Roy.
I am sure we would but we still needed to change things and it just seems that we have made the wrong decision on who we brought in that's all.

by **redsoxfan** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:11 am

I heard Guus Hiddink mentioned, but his agent had told the press last year that he would not consider the Inter Milan job out of respect for his Turkey position which he will hold through Euro 2012. Is it possible he would break it to come here instead? Probably not, right? Liverpool's a great job but so was Inter.

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:12 am

The big question now is who do we get to replace Roy? (Surely he'll be sacked in the next week or two).

The obvious choices are Kenny and MON. While i was against MON in the past, he does have good PL experience, is available and im sure he'd have us playing a lot better than Roy. Id prefer us to leave Kenny out of this unless in a care taker capacity.

i heard some people mention Leonardo. Is he still managing Milan? Sounds like a good option if available. He is young and has a great knowledge of South American and Italian football. And he'd surely play attacking football.

Other options would include Rijkaard, Pellegrini and Klinsmann.

by **stmichael** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:17 pm

God knows, seriously? the current board aren't qualified to appoint the right man. The last time resulted in this shambles we are having to endure now.

If O'Neill ever set foot inside this Football Club I think I'd be done with football for good.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:29 pm

jacdaniel wrote:i heard some people mention Leonardo. Is he still managing Milan? Sounds like a good option if available. He is young and has a great knowledge of South American and Italian football. And he'd surely play attacking football.

.

but non of English football, which lets be honest is totally different to every other league in the world.

by **redsoxfan** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:57 pm

Let me give you all some perspective on how Henry's group hires managers...

They took over the Red Sox in 2002. They immediately let go of the longtime General Manager Dan Duquette in the offseason. General Manager is somewhat akin to a Director in football. He oversees everything in the organization including the minor league teams, and signs all the players (the field Manager does not sign players). Duquette was an excellent talent evaluator but was not good in communicating with players and media. They then fired the unqualified interim field manager who had been appointed in 2001 by Duquette, and hired a "players' manager" Grady Little.

Little was a good man, popular with players and had a lot of strong traditional baseball knowledge. But he was not a computer-savvy technical manager that Henry prefers. Little relied on gut instinct rather than statistics.

For 2003, boy genius and Yale graduate Theo Epstein was hired as General Manager. He respected Little as a person but they were like oil and water philosophically. Little had a tremendous record in 2002 and 2003, but after making a crucial bad "gut" decision in the 2003 playoffs against the hated NY Yankees (and after other smaller decisions that they didn't agree on), Little was fired after the season.

They then hired Terry Francona. Francona had been unsuccessful as a manager of Philadelphia. Nothing indicated that he was a potential star manager. But he was someone that they could mold into their philosophy of matching baseball "gut" knowledge (which Francona had - he was a former player and coached for years) with statistical savvy (which Francona was open to - he's very bright). Francona is also very good at dealing with the aggressive and predatory Boston media.

Francona has managed them since. They've won 2 World Series with him and have been in the hunt most years.

What's this mean for Liverpool?
1. They are not afraid to fire someone who does not meet their philosophy of using the latest technology and statistics, rather than just pure gut instinct.
2. They don't like prima donnas. You will never see Mourinho hired here, and probably not Rafa back either.
3. They want a manager who is a major cog, but just one cog, of the managerial staff. The #1 person in the future will be the Director, not the on-field Manager. They will want to set up a whole plan for the entire organization, with a single manner of training players, from the academy up. This is how the Red Sox are now built. The manager will have to adhere to his dictate. That Director is really the hire to watch for -- he's going to be owner's true power-wielder of the club.
4. So here's my guess...the next manager will not have a big ego. He will not be from the "old boys network". He will be a very smart up-and-comer that they will mold, or an established new-age tech-savvy star manager without a me-first attitude.

You guys know 100 times more about football than I do. Who fits that description?

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