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Thommo's perm wrote:This shows in your posts and I honestly would advise you to stop being so, dare I say, "bitter" because you are becoming slightly tedious with your repetative moaning.
Try changing the record and see what happens...?

Benny The Noon wrote:why are we there and why are we playing such awful football ( every game ) - because we spent 9 million replacing a top class manager

neil wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:why are we there and why are we playing such awful football ( every game ) - because we spent 9 million replacing a top class manager

are you saying we could have saved 9million and carried on playing sh'1te under the previous manager? how do you keep escaping from my 'ignore poster' group you slippery fecker

maypaxvobiscum wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:Would Rafa have signed Cole YES


Would Stevie and Fernando have stayed, YES .IMO and thats all that he has fell out with this and that peoples opinions, Did any of them ask for a move, NO

how do you know that? those comments are merely an opinion form out of an assumption and are not factual. and Rafa wouldnt have signed Cole as he wouldnt have known he was available anyway, he was too busy crying to the media he had no funds after spending 40million on Keane and Aquilani.

Isn't that what you're doing: assuming?

i wasnt assuming when i said rafa wasted money on players who he either wouldnt used, were not better then their predecessors or were injured before they kicked a ball. thats a fact you rafalites will have to live with.

bigmick wrote:Unfortunately, my opinion is that in all probability we are going to have to replace Roy sooner rather than later, simply to enable the club and it's supporters to unite once more. I think this is almost regardless of how well he does, or how well we play, it is simply because a huge section of our fanbase have dug themselves into a very deep hole from which they will not climb out of, no matter what.

I know the posse blah blah blah away about how they "hope he proves them wrong" and all that nonsense, but they won't be getting behind him properly almost regardless of what he does. We saw how good they were at admitting the sky was infact blue during the end of Benitez's reign (indeed now it's over they are once again denying it ever was ) so I wouldn't be holding my breath on any great seeing of the light even if Roy got us up into challenging for a top four slot. Even if we were fifth it will be "but Rafa would have had us up into second" and all that stuff, lets be totally honest here with each other here.

No, if we win the next six the posse will quiten down a bit, but they'll only be holding their breath until we lose one. In fairness I know what it's like myself when you don't have faith in the manager, although in my experience waiting a few years before you come to a conclusion is generally more sensible than a few weeks.

Anyway, in conclusion it is my definate belief that the club will not prosper until the fans are united behind the manager and the team. They certainly aren't right now, and they aren't going to be in the future either I'm afraid. Given that, I only hope that when we choose a new manager (whoever it may be) that the fans actually get behind him and support him.

tonyeh wrote:We may not be playing great football under Hodgson at the moment. But we were certainly playing no better, generally, week in week out under Benitez either. The inference that we suddenly became shite with the arrival of Roy is laughable. The majority of games under the last guy were chronic borefests. Extremely frustrating to watch too. By and Large they also were saved by the captain, a Spaniard and an ugly Dutch chap who managed to get the odd rebound or tap in. Some people on here need to go back over the match threads and refresh their memories of how tedious we were and I'm not just talking about last season either.

How different the hymns would be, if the blessed trinity mentioned above had bailed Roy's arse out of it in the last 7 games, like they did for Benitez week in / week out.

Benitez had his chance...and HE fucked it up himself, through a litany of terrible decisions, over caution, awful purchases, questionable setups, bizarre choices, alienation of players and the sheer inability to accept his mistakes.

Many had known that the game was up, long before it actually was and the WTF faces from Gerrard'n'Torres FC in that infamous game last season showed clearly that at least the key players at the club reckoned that it was over too.

I'm not saying that Hodgson is the answer to Liverpool's woes, but some of the Benitez cherubs on here could at least give him enough rope to hang himself. The man has a hell of a job to do, just simply picking up the pieces left by his predecessor. That's an extremely difficult prospect right there, never mind all the other crap that going on at the moment.

mart wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:This shows in your posts and I honestly would advise you to stop being so, dare I say, "bitter" because you are becoming slightly tedious with your repetative moaning.
Try changing the record and see what happens...?

You know you dont have to respond to every post? And you know you are at least as "bitter", tedious and repetitive as benny or any other poster here.

What makes you say Im bitter?

bigmick wrote:Unfortunately, my opinion is that in all probability we are going to have to replace Roy sooner rather than later, simply to enable the club and it's supporters to unite once more. I think this is almost regardless of how well he does, or how well we play, it is simply because a huge section of our fanbase have dug themselves into a very deep hole from which they will not climb out of, no matter what.

I know the posse blah blah blah away about how they "hope he proves them wrong" and all that nonsense, but they won't be getting behind him properly almost regardless of what he does. We saw how good they were at admitting the sky was infact blue during the end of Benitez's reign (indeed now it's over they are once again denying it ever was ) so I wouldn't be holding my breath on any great seeing of the light even if Roy got us up into challenging for a top four slot. Even if we were fifth it will be "but Rafa would have had us up into second" and all that stuff, lets be totally honest here with each other here.

No, if we win the next six the posse will quiten down a bit, but they'll only be holding their breath until we lose one. In fairness I know what it's like myself when you don't have faith in the manager, although in my experience waiting a few years before you come to a conclusion is generally more sensible than a few weeks.

Anyway, in conclusion it is my definate belief that the club will not prosper until the fans are united behind the manager and the team. They certainly aren't right now, and they aren't going to be in the future either I'm afraid. Given that, I only hope that when we choose a new manager (whoever it may be) that the fans actually get behind him and support him.

Reg wrote:

bigmick wrote:Unfortunately, my opinion is that in all probability we are going to have to replace Roy sooner rather than later, simply to enable the club and it's supporters to unite once more. I think this is almost regardless of how well he does, or how well we play, it is simply because a huge section of our fanbase have dug themselves into a very deep hole from which they will not climb out of, no matter what.

I know the posse blah blah blah away about how they "hope he proves them wrong" and all that nonsense, but they won't be getting behind him properly almost regardless of what he does. We saw how good they were at admitting the sky was infact blue during the end of Benitez's reign (indeed now it's over they are once again denying it ever was ) so I wouldn't be holding my breath on any great seeing of the light even if Roy got us up into challenging for a top four slot. Even if we were fifth it will be "but Rafa would have had us up into second" and all that stuff, lets be totally honest here with each other here.

No, if we win the next six the posse will quiten down a bit, but they'll only be holding their breath until we lose one. In fairness I know what it's like myself when you don't have faith in the manager, although in my experience waiting a few years before you come to a conclusion is generally more sensible than a few weeks.

Anyway, in conclusion it is my definate belief that the club will not prosper until the fans are united behind the manager and the team. They certainly aren't right now, and they aren't going to be in the future either I'm afraid. Given that, I only hope that when we choose a new manager (whoever it may be) that the fans actually get behind him and support him.

Good post Mick.

The key issues concerning Rafa are that he took on T&T and ultimately lost. Kenny stated that in his final weeks as LFC manager he thought his head would explode and I sense at the end Rafa was in a similar position. Untenable but in his case, unwilling to give up.

The second is issue the dire frustration, hurt and anger the fanbase feels towards the owners: they took a financially sound club, CL winners in 2005 with a 'reasonable' squad and a bright up and coming manager and in just 3 years virtually bankrupted us, pitched fan against fan and created such an atmosphere within the club concerning the position of the manager, his authority and budget, as to drive him out. He became a victim of their sordid game.

We have no sense of closure with Rafa. He was the brightest management talent we had since Kenny, he should have been a long term, successful manager. He was driven out of the club as part of the general decline and fall into chaos which hopefully was finally put to rest this morning.

The club needs to bring closure on the Rafa era. I agree he cant come back however I would like to see him invited back in 12 months time once we have new owners and a new long term manager in place to walk out in front of the Kop and both sides take some deep breaths and mourn the loss of what could have been, was undoubtedly possible had circumstances been allowed to run their course.

Only then can the fans let Rafa go and the spectre of Rafa be allowed to go with him to his new club.

If we cant have closure, the ghost of Rafa will forever hang above the Kop like an old Argentine general wtaching the efforts of a civilian government.