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Benny The Noon wrote:Thommo we could of been bottom if Rafa stayed but we could of been in the top 4 .

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Benny The Noon wrote:That's where you are wrong thou Mick - but we were not once ever near the relegation areas - that 7h place last season isn't look too bad right now is it . You only replace a manager if you bring in someone better - we didn't so we made a massive mistake and you only have to look at the points , the table position and the performances to see it was a mistake . We have gone backwards which shows the club made the wrong choice IMO

Good point
But there is no evidence that we wouldnt be in the same position with Benitez. We shouldnt underestimate how low the squad was at the end of last season. We could in fact have been rooted to the bottom of the table with no points had he stayed.

bigmick wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Thommo we could of been bottom if Rafa stayed but we could of been in the top 4 .

Well of course we COULD have been in the top four. Lets look at it sensibly though.

I'm going to be charitable and say that if Rafa were the manager we'd also have beaten Blackpool to go with our win against West Brom. Would we though have got a result at Old Trafford (where we did only once in Rafa's career,) and would we have won at Brum (where nobody else had for a year and we couldn't even beat them at Home for years). Would we have won at Man City (who also saw off Chelsea at Home), and would we have got a point with 10 men against Arsenal (we got beat at Home by them the season before)?

Yes we could have been top four, but my guess is that we would have had a very similar points haul to the one we've actually got. If anybody on here had said the things about Rafa under those circumstances that they've said about Roy there would have been uproar.

dawson99 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

bigmick wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Its akin with attempting to argue the premierships equivalent to  Eddy the Eagle was  better on skis than Franz klammer
case closed for all you budding lawyers ...there are obviously some cases that are simply not winnable 
but keep trying its like someone trying to ride a bike with square wheels uphill ,they no its simply infeasible but they keep jumping on that bike and trying

Many analogies and similies Red, but the question is this. If Hodgson were to be given six seasons plus access to all the money Benitez spunked, would he win more than two trophies, less than two trophies, or the same as two trophies? Would we finish outside the top four in two out of the six seasons, and have one title challenge, or would we do better or worse?

The simple fact of the matter is that nobody knows. Just like nobody yet knows whether Rafa will match Mourinho's achievements with exactly the same players.

The good thing is that given time, we'll all get a better idea 

And how can people form opinions on what they think will happen- previous track record and what's currently happening and everything points to hodgson getting nowhere near winning any trophy or getting into the top 4 .

but you've formed an opinion on what you think?

bigmick wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Thommo we could of been bottom if Rafa stayed but we could of been in the top 4 .

Well of course we COULD have been in the top four. Lets look at it sensibly though.

I'm going to be charitable and say that if Rafa were the manager we'd also have beaten Blackpool to go with our win against West Brom. Would we though have got a result at Old Trafford (where we did only once in Rafa's career,) and would we have won at Brum (where nobody else had for a year and we couldn't even beat them at Home for years). Would we have won at Man City (who also saw off Chelsea at Home), and would we have got a point with 10 men against Arsenal (we got beat at Home by them the season before)?

Yes we could have been top four, but my guess is that we would have had a very similar points haul to the one we've actually got. If anybody on here had said the things about Rafa under those circumstances that they've said about Roy there would have been uproar.

Benny The Noon wrote:

bigmick wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Thommo we could of been bottom if Rafa stayed but we could of been in the top 4 .

Well of course we COULD have been in the top four. Lets look at it sensibly though.

I'm going to be charitable and say that if Rafa were the manager we'd also have beaten Blackpool to go with our win against West Brom. Would we though have got a result at Old Trafford (where we did only once in Rafa's career,) and would we have won at Brum (where nobody else had for a year and we couldn't even beat them at Home for years). Would we have won at Man City (who also saw off Chelsea at Home), and would we have got a point with 10 men against Arsenal (we got beat at Home by them the season before)?

Yes we could have been top four, but my guess is that we would have had a very similar points haul to the one we've actually got. If anybody on here had said the things about Rafa under those circumstances that they've said about Roy there would have been uproar.

Well I have seen Rafa getting results against teams we shouldn't have - managed to beat the mancs last season without our two best players - I also believe we wouldn't be dominated by every team we have faced - he wouldn't of played two in the middle against three against city so I believe we would of for a win against Blackpool and Sunderland - that's 5 more points and a draw against city .

Benny The Noon wrote:Yep managers do make mistakes - every single one of them .

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Benny The Noon wrote:Yep managers do make mistakes - every single one of them .

Good point
Thas why they need time to rectify and learn from their mistakes

Benny The Noon wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Yep managers do make mistakes - every single one of them .

Good point
Thas why they need time to rectify and learn from their mistakes

Do you mean something like giving a manager a season to turn around one bad season ?

I dont judge everything by last season. That was just the last straw...





Good point by the way