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[LFC2007]

I still feel the time was right for a change but with the way we've gone under our new manager, the idea that - since Rafa got it so catastrophically wrong - virtually anyone could come in and quite comfortably do a better job is evidently being challenged. We've dispensed with the overrated sheister Mascherano and the completely garbage Aquilani, replacing them with the absolute steal that was Poulsen, the excellent Meirelles and Joe Cole, and yet the results and performances up to this point make a typical stretch of games from last season look like the Road to Istanbul. Roy, remember, was one of two or three candidates that most of us on here deemed worthy of a shot at the job (and let's get it in perspective: his brief was, essentially finish fourth and make a better go of the cups) and so naturally you begin to wonder about the other assumptions you've made. What would swing the balance would be, firstly, if Roy were to dramatically improve the results of the team, or secondly if that didn't happen - and after a "fair crack" had expired - another respectable manager were to come in and not majorly improve on Roy. Football has a tendency to make a mockery of absolutes, but perhaps then the balance of hypotheticals might begin to suggest it was a mistake to the change manager. Right now though, I still think all the signs pointed to a change of manager being for the better and that quite a lot would need to happen to change that view.

[Joeblackisachimp]

Rafa should have gone no doubt. time was right.

Roy or Woy.

Not suprised one bit about the current situation.
As this is what happens when you employ a boss that is out of his depth at this level.

Not one bit suprised.

Really am shocked at how the dressing room has responsded to Woy, though it's so obvious he hasn't got the dressing room on his side. performances have been so woeful and little chances created overall.

I don't know why on earth Lucas and Poulsen still get games and this "two holding midfielder" silly defensive whilst playing Torres up fron alone when it clearly DOES NOT WORK with little chances created keeps the faith among recent managers.

Woy holding his head in his hands during matches. Im not sure i that is due to events on the pitch, or that he personally knows that his 2 year contract might be terminated during the january transfer window.

basically, we are buggered, and i dont mean by will young. Roy aint got a clue how to fix it due to lack of class at this level, so he will hit and hope until he gets the boot.

Seeing as our chelsea chairman wrote king kenny off when he threw his name into the hat, that is the silly response from some kn*bend who does not knwo what the club is about.

King kenny in, big confidence restorer for all. I say
woeful and embarrassing.

[redhayesy]

How Hodgson does though has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not it was the right thing to do to get rid of Benitez. Taking Hodgson on and letting Benitez go aren't interlinked, they are independant events. It remains to be seen whether or not it was the right thing to do to give Roy a shot, but certainly IMHO getting rid of Benitez was an absolute no brainer.

Similarly, those who disagree visa vis Benitez are entitled to their view obviously, but if or when he bombs out at inter, or wins the Champions League with Inter, it won't mean it was either more wrong or more right to let him go.

Even if we got relegated under Hodgson (which obviously we won't), it would still be a given for me that we had to get rid of Benitez. The players seemingly agree with that as well, so there's no argument to be had really.

I would agree with you mick if we had employed someone better to take his place . We didn't , and that is the problem .

agree mate,however like you know as well as me-in the famous song title-MONEY,MONEY,MONEY. not just funny but would the club be in this state, no it would be -ALL THE THINGS WE COULD DO,IF WE HAD A LITTLE MONEY etc. hindsight is such an evil word in my household at the moment,i don't want to go their mate.

the thing for me straight away is the topic starter- FFS,anyone who knows,listens an acknowledges information about the the whole raffa senario- HE WASN'T SACKED END OF!

he is part of our history as a manager end of! it's all about opinions i totally agree with that,but before the internet was born LFC had managers who fans didn't like or didn't think were up to the job,out of their depth etc BUT were given a chance.

as anyone who knows -roy evans was a classic example- nice bloke- but nice blokes don't win races! he was an institution for me,always will be respected by me an many thousands of LFC fans everywhere,however the coca-cola cup winning manager doesn't cut it for me an i was there at wembley that day.  as much as it was fecking great to see us win a trophy,people are an have blinkers or no patience with managers.


like shanks said-winning the european cup is a great thing for LiverpooL an a great thing for the country-the league title is our bread an butter!

yes the game has moved on since then,an many have tried to bring in their own ideas etc,the biggest feck up for me was when souness of all people-scrapped the boot room! feck off souness what where you thinking of! but in those days it was discussed an digested in the local pub noy on global formats-feck me he got away cheaply if you ask me!

houlier-won us a treble fecking brilliant bloke,however-he didn't win us the league-another t0sser then! oh but he was given time an back then a fecking lot of money to spend on players to win us the league, sorry who was one of his first signings-kunt face fecking diuof! let alone biscan an don't get me started on cheyrou, le tallec etc etc. ALL previous managers have made bad signings in the last 15-20 years even longer, kenny was no exception to the rule.


however we stayed with them,showed them the respect they deserved,supported them the team through thick an thin etc, i for one am not prepared or going to change my ways now! not for no-one,or no-bodys! raffa may of made bad signings,just like roy may have but this about sticking your fecking flag to the mast isn't it! as we as a club have moved on in our past an given the future time to evolve,please let us prove yet again we will stick together an prove 'when you walk through a storm there's a golden sky'.

[dundreamin]

ERR Rafas gone. Yep he,s gone. Now close this pointless thread. I mean whats THE POINT?

[NANNY RED]

ERR Rafas gone. Yep he,s gone. Now close this pointless thread. I mean whats THE POINT?

But we might have to open it again   

[redhayesy]

ERR Rafas gone. Yep he,s gone. Now close this pointless thread. I mean whats THE POINT?

But we might have to open it again   

you are a star NR    Bfwiw i really wouldn't an dont want any previous manager to come back! for me it's like gals in my past -been there,done it,got the t-shirt!    it's never the same second time around!

[maguskwt]

Was sacking Rafa correct - YES.

Was employing Roy correct - Only time will tell! But he hasnt had the time yet to prove anything either way as well as the worst fixture list since 1957!!!!

Excuses mate... Whatever the fixture list, we should have won 2 more games than now. The fact is that we have the worst start in the league sine 1953.

"Whatever the fixture list, we should have won 2 more games than now."
Is that what all this is about? If we would have won 2 more games than we have out of 7 there would have been none of this hysteria?
180 minutes worth of football causing all this bile?
Deary deary me

If we have won 2 more games we would be 4th you freakin weirdo...

[maguskwt]

And some people will think the total opposite and some think Rafa going was a big mistake .

Naturally. Some people would have thought Rafa leaving was a mistake even if he'd got us relegated I should think, that or they'd have blamed it on somebody else.

That is how you always criticize the 'other' group Mick... with totally false or exagerated assumptions... NO TRUE FAN will be pleased if we'd get relegated no matter who the manager is.

As things go currently though the current manager has more porbability of doing the honor than the previous manager ever had.

[maguskwt]

As for the question of whather or not a manager is "better", I don't think that's the overriding consideration, or at least it shouldn't be. The main thing to consider is whether or not the manager in situ is likely to improve things, and the board took the view that in Benitez's case it was unlikely. Once you've pulled the trigger, you take a punt on somebody else.

It's called shortsightedness...

[maguskwt]

Thommo we could of been bottom if Rafa stayed but we could of been in the top 4 .

Well of course we COULD have been in the top four. Lets look at it sensibly though.

I'm going to be charitable and say that if Rafa were the manager we'd also have beaten Blackpool to go with our win against West Brom. Would we though have got a result at Old Trafford (where we did only once in Rafa's career,) and would we have won at Brum (where nobody else had for a year and we couldn't even beat them at Home for years). Would we have won at Man City (who also saw off Chelsea at Home), and would we have got a point with 10 men against Arsenal (we got beat at Home by them the season before)?

Yes we could have been top four, but my guess is that we would have had a very similar points haul to the one we've actually got. If anybody on here had said the things about Rafa under those circumstances that they've said about Roy there would have been uproar.

what's the use in all this speculation? waste of time and energy. The fact is that Rafa's team were never in the relegation zone in 6 years. Roy's team is within 3 months... so...

[maguskwt]

ERR Rafas gone. Yep he,s gone. Now close this pointless thread. I mean whats THE POINT?

But we might have to open it again   

Honestly speaking, I would've loved it if Rafa came back under the new managers Nanny. At least he will have the chance build on the promising first 3 seasons he had. But if Rafa could not get us into the top 4 or shows substantial improvement in how the team plays, then it's time to forget about Rafa and move on to new directions like Joachim Lowe.

[Emerald Red]

Thommo we could of been bottom if Rafa stayed but we could of been in the top 4 .

Well of course we COULD have been in the top four. Lets look at it sensibly though.

I'm going to be charitable and say that if Rafa were the manager we'd also have beaten Blackpool to go with our win against West Brom. Would we though have got a result at Old Trafford (where we did only once in Rafa's career,) and would we have won at Brum (where nobody else had for a year and we couldn't even beat them at Home for years). Would we have won at Man City (who also saw off Chelsea at Home), and would we have got a point with 10 men against Arsenal (we got beat at Home by them the season before)?

Yes we could have been top four, but my guess is that we would have had a very similar points haul to the one we've actually got. If anybody on here had said the things about Rafa under those circumstances that they've said about Roy there would have been uproar.

what's the use in all this speculation? waste of time and energy. The fact is that Rafa's team were never in the relegation zone in 6 years. Roy's team is within 3 months... so...

But the press are still saying it's Rafa's team, especially that quim Lawro. Surely, if the team is so sh*te (worse than Souness' apparantly) then Rafa must be one hell of a manger to get us into all those finals and semi's and even win a few major trophies along the way. They keep talking balls, and they keep contradicting themselves.

[taff]

I am drunk so excuse the rant but I loved Rafa and still do but he said himself you never look back just forward and so we must do that as well.  I would welcome him back with open arms but only Rafa before the madness took him over.

But if we look forward then we do so with Roy and nobody else.  he is currently the man in charge and deserves at least until xmas if even from a pragmatic point of view

[maypaxvobiscum]

Thommo we could of been bottom if Rafa stayed but we could of been in the top 4 .

Well of course we COULD have been in the top four. Lets look at it sensibly though.

I'm going to be charitable and say that if Rafa were the manager we'd also have beaten Blackpool to go with our win against West Brom. Would we though have got a result at Old Trafford (where we did only once in Rafa's career,) and would we have won at Brum (where nobody else had for a year and we couldn't even beat them at Home for years). Would we have won at Man City (who also saw off Chelsea at Home), and would we have got a point with 10 men against Arsenal (we got beat at Home by them the season before)?

Yes we could have been top four, but my guess is that we would have had a very similar points haul to the one we've actually got. If anybody on here had said the things about Rafa under those circumstances that they've said about Roy there would have been uproar.

what's the use in all this speculation? waste of time and energy. The fact is that Rafa's team were never in the relegation zone in 6 years. Roy's team is within 3 months... so...

  why dont you go built a statue of Wafa if he is such a God to you? every single post you make implies how much you want him back.