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by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:57 pm

Reg wrote:
bigmick wrote:Cheers Reg

Anyway it seems like the "sack him" crowd are probably in the majority, the "let him resign" are second, and the "give him more time" bunch are a rapidly dwindling sprinkle.

I'm in the 'give him more time' camp, I dont see any practical gain in sacking him within 6 months.

agreed. give him more time. i am not happy with the type of football im seeing, but give him time and if he remains unable to register wins, then he should leave.

by **supersub** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:29 pm

Ciggy wrote:Someone on here blamed Lucas yesterday I am not his biggest fan but ffs the kid didnt even play yesterday

Big Niall does seem to have a strange way at viewing football matches :laugh:

by **supersub** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:35 pm

bigmick wrote:Is anybody actually coming clean yet and saying they think Roy should be sacked, or are they all still hiding behind the cloak of superfanness?

Should Roy be sacked?

I think there are a few who think Roy should be sacked but I don't think they are hiding behind the cloak of superfanness, they just seem to call into the local phone ins after watching the match on tv or internet....

Which side are your superfans this year...pro's or anti's :laugh:

by **Fauxy** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:47 pm

Being honest I had faith in Roy steadying the ship before the season started.

But Ive pretty much lost all of that faith now. I had lost pretty much all faith when we lost to Northampton but losing to Blackpool put the icing on the cake.

I would get Kenny in for the mean time only because I cant see him doing any worse

by **lakes10** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:32 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Shut the fuck up about Rafa for gods sake hes gone get over it and move on, another topic about Roy and blaming Rafa.

Roys the manager now talk about him ffs.

We cant, half the posts are about Rafa... unless there is a carpet ban.

Last season you wouldnt blame Rafa cigs.. this season all you can do is blame roy? and last season i blamed rafa, this season i wasnt blaming roy, now i see he does need to sort it out quick

thats why its being discussed, the whole thing is getting more bizarre by the minute

thank you and thats my point, i have my own views as who is to blame, but the fact is that there are members her that would not blame rafa for anything last year, yet they are just to happy to blame Roy this time, they can not have it both ways, and if they do them it says a lot about them members.

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:57 pm

No . back him .

by **roberto green** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:16 pm

I found a lot wrong under Rafa last year but that's not to say that I wanted him to go. He put up with some unbelievable pressure off the media and other managers who had a witch hunt out on him plus he stood up against the owners and the way club was getting run, it's no wonder that it affected the club performances, I know a wise few of us on here knew this and it goes without saying (because we are the real super duper fans

) we also knew the score with Roy (not woy) when he come here, and it's nothing to do about being proved right or being peed of that Rafa went, it's about seeing thing as they really are meaning we were nether going to improve on Rafa in this current situation.

by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:21 pm

When you strip out the posturing and the desperation to prove ourselves right, we come back basically to the same thing as far as Hodgson and Benitez are concerned, and I'm fecked off with the whole thing.

There's no need for me to even discuss my feelings visa vis Benitez because everyone knows what they are, so lets concentrate on Roy for a second. He comes in and makes the right noises, makes some sensible decisions about who to move on, who to keep, and talks our best two players into staying. Then he signs Joey Cole, and it all looks good.

From there though, it starts to go pear shaped. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, I'm not going to be a deny the sky is blue merchant, we are playing absolutely fecking sh!t. Some things may be beyond the managers control, that was as much true for Benitez as it is for Roy, but some things very definately ARE in their control and what we saw last season and what we are seeing now is a mile away from being good enough.

Lets look at it. We are conceding goals like there is no tomorrow, DESPITE hardly committing any players forward when we attack. If we were playing a Keeganesque up and at em style I could understand it, but FFS we barely break sweat and yet still get ripped up. The reasons? Well we have a holding midfielder in Poulsen (who I like) who is paceless and yet is getting pulled all over the fecking park. Half the time he is on either touchline putting in tackles and closing people down. It's almost like he's been listening to some of the people on here comparing how much he gets about the pitch to how much Lucas does. He should be sitting if he plays, connected by an umbilical chord to the centre halves. WTF is going on there, I'm no coach but fecks sake it is as plain as the nose on your face.

Then you've got the likes of Cole and Torres who aren't doing a tap defensively. Don't give me the nonsense about them being offensive players either, they need to put a shift in. Don't even get me started on Maxi as he is garbage in English football and should be heard but ot seen. You've got Skyrtel wandering around marking nobody, Johnson who looks about as much like a 17 million pound footballer as me, and the effort levels are about as low as I can remember.

Now here is the crux for me. Much of these problems were EXACTLY THE SAME LAST SEASON, but that DOES NOT MEAN IT'S OK FOR IT TO BE SO THIS SEASON. Rather than finding it "insulting" that people are questioning his methodology which has been built up over 35 years, Roy should be pulling his finger out of his ersehole and getting stuck into the players. They have collectively been tossing it off for far too long.

Whether it's Roy, or someone else to replace him, the fans HAVE to get behind the team in this time of strife. But it's a two way street. The team have to fight for the right to play, they've got to fight for the jersey and show some pride. Benitez couldn't get them to do it any more, and so far Hodgson hasn't managed to do it either. Like all Liverpool fans I can forgive a lack of quality for the most part, but a lack of desire is shamefull. Thanks be to feck we've got Gerrard, otherwise relegation WOULD be a possible scenario if we carried on like we are.

Anyway for those who have seeking the moment to proclaim that they "told us so", as far as odgsons suitability they are so far correct. What we now need, s for either the manager to prove them wrong or for him to feck off sharpish so someone else can. I've seen this dross and excuses for too long, get it sorted FFS.

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:31 pm

I see no point whatsoever in sacking this manager , for someone to come in (who will not be a world class manager ) and go through the same thing . It's pointless , micks right the fans need to unite and to unite in one goal only . That's to get the owners out . We will not get any better ,we will get worse with our current owners in charge . Anyone who thinks any different are deluding themselves in my humble opinion .

by **roberto green** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:49 pm

I do think that if kenny come in at least he will give the players and fans a lift and will get results more than Roy.

by **metalhead** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:51 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:I see no point whatsoever in sacking this manager , for someone to come in (who will not be a world class manager ) and go through the same thing . It's pointless , micks right the fans need to unite and to unite in one goal only . That's to get the owners out . We will not get any better ,we will get worse with our current owners in charge . Anyone who thinks any different are delucding themselves in my humble opinion .

and great post mick

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:54 pm

To those people who say that we should give him time, you should look at what happened with Scolari at Chelsea. He was doing alright, but when his team started getting stale and his tactics weren't working, they got rid of him. Some managers are just out of their depth at big clubs and it's better to get rid, before they do anymore damage.

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:58 pm

So what we are saying is that we as supporters are more than happy for Our king kenny to come in and have to put up with the very same owners and board that the last two managers have had to contend with . :no

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:44 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:So what we are saying is that we as supporters are more than happy for Our king kenny to come in and have to put up with the very same owners and board that the last two managers have had to contend with .

You are right
Those wanting Roy out and Kenny in are talking with their heart and not their head. Any manager who comes in should Roy be sacked will be stuck with the same problems. We would not get anyone of real class because they wouldnt take it on. Nobody in their right mind would. Especially if they saw what happened to Roy after only a few months. The only hope we have is if we get behind him and try to lift the players. We all must unfortunately lower our expectations drastically this season. Forget top four, even maybe top six. Probably top ten and then build.
I cant believe Im saying it but thats the way it is Im afraid

by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:59 pm

Look just for a second leave the owners out of it FFS already. They are a pair of c...s we know that, we desperately need to get shut we know that, but the owners aren't the reason we finished 7th and couldn't beat Reading last season, and they aren't the reason we are near the bottom and couldn't beat Northampton this season. .

The reason for those eventualities is that we are playing sh!t. It's down to the players to play better, and the manager to fecking well make sure they play better, so such eventualities don't occur.

For too long successive managers and factions of fans have hidden behind the ownership issue, it's because of this or it's because of that. It's all b0ll0cks. Yes lets get rid of the owners, but lets do the business on the pitch while we're fighting.

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