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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:40 am

Benny The Noon wrote:I'm going to post exactly how I see it - like I said are my negatives incorrect ? How about actually discussing what I see are negate about him instead of trying to go into politics about my reasoning to what I am posting - discuss content instead of intent . Tell me what is wrong with what I see as being negative - Tarnred managed to do it so why can't others

Because i can see the hidden agenda  :;):
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:43 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:I'm going to post exactly how I see it - like I said are my negatives incorrect ? How about actually discussing what I see are negate about him instead of trying to go into politics about my reasoning to what I am posting - discuss content instead of intent . Tell me what is wrong with what I see as being negative - Tarnred managed to do it so why can't others

Because i can see the hidden agenda  :;):

And that post sums up exactly what the problem is with be forum - people are constantly ignoring what people are saying and just focusing on his apparent " hidden agenda " that is only apparent in their own head- try ignoring your urges and debate to content of the post - the place maybe a better place then . I have no hidden agenda .
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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:49 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:I'm going to post exactly how I see it - like I said are my negatives incorrect ? How about actually discussing what I see are negate about him instead of trying to go into politics about my reasoning to what I am posting - discuss content instead of intent . Tell me what is wrong with what I see as being negative - Tarnred managed to do it so why can't others

Because i can see the hidden agenda  :;):

And that post sums up exactly what the problem is with be forum - people are constantly ignoring what people are saying and just focusing on his apparent " hidden agenda " that is only apparent in their own head- try ignoring your urges and debate to content of the post - the place maybe a better place then . I have no hidden agenda .

:laugh:

yes you do. It's clear to see.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:57 am

Ok then please just steer clear of my posts in future if your just going to ignore what the content is . Thank you
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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:59 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok then please just steer clear of my posts in future if your just going to ignore what the content is . Thank you

That's difficult there in EVERY thread  :D
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Postby bigmick » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:22 am

In the posts you've quoted ben I would contest that the "agenda" is not even hidden. On the question of Konchesky again, I wonder if there might some work to be done with the tracking back of the left midfielder, namely Cole on this occasion. It's worth noting that it was O Shea not Nani who put the cross over for the winner (he shouldn't actually have been on the pitch but I digress) and this was typical of the way the mancs loaded up down there all day. Agger wasn't able to stop the cross coming in any more than Konchesky did, and although I think by then Cole had switched flanks we are going to have to work better in tandem to defend the flanks.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:53 am

The second goal which came from a cross - Konchesky allowed Nani to slip in unoticed behind him because Konchesky was too close to the cbs and they played the ball straight over his head to the feet of nani - Konchesky went to close him down but Nani to switched the ball to his left foot and got the cross in easily - it was one against one - he wasnt double teamed . As for the third goal - Agger is a cb not a natural left back but some blame must be given to Jovanovic as well as Agger closed down Nani quickly but shifted the ball to O Shea ( who was rightly still on the pitch ) who put the cross in , Jovanovic should of been marking O shea .
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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:04 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:The second goal which came from a cross - Konchesky allowed Nani to slip in unoticed behind him because Konchesky was too close to the cbs and they played the ball straight over his head to the feet of nani - Konchesky went to close him down but Nani to switched the ball to his left foot and got the cross in easily - it was one against one - he wasnt double teamed . As for the third goal - Agger is a cb not a natural left back but some blame must be given to Jovanovic as well as Agger closed down Nani quickly but shifted the ball to O Shea ( who was rightly still on the pitch ) who put the cross in , Jovanovic should of been marking O shea .

The 2nd goal was just one of those things, a cross came in from our left but it wasnt the cross that made the goal.
It was crossed from a poor angle really and didnt come at Berbatov in a good position at all. He had to control it with his back to goal with his knee.
If you think that's Koncheskys fault for not shutting out the initial cross then i think it underlines your over criticism.
To stop every cross isnt possible. What you need to do is try and make sure balls come in from angles that should suit the defending team, i think that was one of those crosses, Berbatovs genius made that goal from nothing.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:07 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:The second goal which came from a cross - Konchesky allowed Nani to slip in unoticed behind him because Konchesky was too close to the cbs and they played the ball straight over his head to the feet of nani - Konchesky went to close him down but Nani to switched the ball to his left foot and got the cross in easily - it was one against one - he wasnt double teamed . As for the third goal - Agger is a cb not a natural left back but some blame must be given to Jovanovic as well as Agger closed down Nani quickly but shifted the ball to O Shea ( who was rightly still on the pitch ) who put the cross in , Jovanovic should of been marking O shea .

The 2nd goal was just one of those things, a cross came in from our left but it wasnt the cross that made the goal.
It was crossed from a poor angle really and didnt come at Berbatov in a good position at all. He had to control it with his back to goal with his knee.
If you think that's Koncheskys fault for not shutting out the initial cross then i think it underlines your over criticism.
To stop every cross isnt possible. What you need to do is try and make sure balls come in from angles that should suit the defending team, i think that was one of those crosses, Berbatovs genius made that goal from nothing.

Most of the problem came from the amount of space he was afforded to in the first place - berbatov should of been closed down by the cbs yes but konchesky should of been closer to nani initally to stop the first pass going to him
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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:35 pm

You could say that about every goal.
There is no way that he can stay touch tight all of the time against someone who is quicker than him and pretty skillfull.
I agree on the concept of stopping the majority of crosses but forcing players to cross from a tougher position is key and you genuinely cant really do anything about the finish for the second goal.

You are being overcritical of Konchesky if you feel he was at fault for that goal.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:37 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:You could say that about every goal.
There is no way that he can stay touch tight all of the time against someone who is quicker than him and pretty skillfull.
I agree on the concept of stopping the majority of crosses but forcing players to cross from a tougher position is key and you genuinely cant really do anything about the finish for the second goal.

You are being overcritical of Konchesky if you feel he was at fault for that goal.

Well thats what i feel - i feel he was to blame for the goal along with a few others . And then there is the first goal as well .
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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:43 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:You could say that about every goal.
There is no way that he can stay touch tight all of the time against someone who is quicker than him and pretty skillfull.
I agree on the concept of stopping the majority of crosses but forcing players to cross from a tougher position is key and you genuinely cant really do anything about the finish for the second goal.

You are being overcritical of Konchesky if you feel he was at fault for that goal.

Well thats what i feel - i feel he was to blame for the goal along with a few others . And then there is the first goal as well .

Cos you have an agenda  :nod
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:45 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:You could say that about every goal.
There is no way that he can stay touch tight all of the time against someone who is quicker than him and pretty skillfull.
I agree on the concept of stopping the majority of crosses but forcing players to cross from a tougher position is key and you genuinely cant really do anything about the finish for the second goal.

You are being overcritical of Konchesky if you feel he was at fault for that goal.

Well thats what i feel - i feel he was to blame for the goal along with a few others . And then there is the first goal as well .

Cos you have an agenda  :nod

Ben give it a rest eh - the mods have asked for us to stick to football and less of the poilitics and wind ups and to purely concentrate on the football and what people have posted so can you please stop going on about something that isnt there - i do not want to recieve a card because of you and your pal constantly going on about some hidden agenda .
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:48 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:Cos you have an agenda  :nod

I'm beginning to think he's not the only one.

Can we pack in this continuous public discussion on others motives "behind" their opinion. It's spam and is suffocating many a thread.

Reminder, repeated spam is a cardable offence.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:00 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:Cos you have an agenda  :nod

I'm beginning to think he's not the only one.

Can we pack in this continuous public discussion on others motives "behind" their opinion. It's spam and is suffocating many a thread.

Reminder, repeated spam is a cardable offence.

Ok woof noted.
I would try and ignore his posts but that would mean not going in any thread on the forum.
Its getting tedious for me reading them anyway.
I am not trying to wind him up, i am being genuine in my thoughts and opinions on this.
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