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Postby Bad Bob » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:52 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:It was last summer when a report came out that Rafa was looking at Poulsen as a replacement for Xabi and he was prety much dismissed allround .

Well, as I say, rightly so: he's never going to be a replacement for Alonso.  As a replacement for Lucas or Masch?  Well, that's a different matter altogether.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:54 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:It was last summer when a report came out that Rafa was looking at Poulsen as a replacement for Xabi and he was prety much dismissed allround .

Well, as I say, rightly so: he's never going to be a replacement for Alonso.  As a replacement for Lucas or Masch?  Well, that's a different matter altogether.

Its a matter that we will no doubt have a conclusion too in the next coming months - im quite happy and confident to state imo he is nowhere near the level and ability of Masher - as for Lucas we will just have to wait and see what happens .
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Postby Bad Bob » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:25 pm

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Benny The Noon wrote:It was last summer when a report came out that Rafa was looking at Poulsen as a replacement for Xabi and he was prety much dismissed allround .

Well, as I say, rightly so: he's never going to be a replacement for Alonso.  As a replacement for Lucas or Masch?  Well, that's a different matter altogether.

Its a matter that we will no doubt have a conclusion too in the next coming months - im quite happy and confident to state imo he is nowhere near the level and ability of Masher - as for Lucas we will just have to wait and see what happens .

Fair enough, mate.  We will indeed know before too much longer.  For the record, I don't think he'll be at Masch's level either but will be better than Lucas.  In any case, I'm more interested in CM partnerships.  If the Poulsen-Meireles partnership proves better than the Masch-Lucas partnership (which I think it will be), we'll have done well.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:31 pm

Yes the partnerships will be interesting - the next two games he has to get it right
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Postby bigmick » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:40 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Yes the partnerships will be interesting - the next two games he has to get it right

Who does, Roy  :laugh:  :laugh:

What's all this "he has to get it right" nonsense, like his job or his credibility depends upon it or something. He's got game four and five out of an unbelieveably difficult start to come, and people such as yourself are saying he HAS to get it right.

We're playing Birmingham way, and the Mancs Away. We drew at Birmingham last season, and got beat (as per usual) by the Mancs, so Roy has hardly got a glittering record to try and beat has he? Clearly both are extremely difficult matches, and if he gets something out of the Birmuingham game then anything at Old Trafford at this stage is goign to be a bonus.

One things certain, if we win both matches some people still won't be happy. We drew with Arsenal (who've won every other game) and despite the fact that we lost against them last season, AND WE HAD TEN MEN, some numpties were saying that Arsenal were understrength :laugh:.

Roy hasn't got anything wrong so far. He's won every single match we've played in Europe, we would have beaten Arsenal but for a freak mistake in the dying seconds (and they beat us last season), we beat a promoted team at Home in the league (and we know how bad our record has been against those in the past) and we were beaten for the only time this season at a good man City team, after having had to change the team last minute because of a greedy little sl@g.

It's be great if Roy could pull off a masterstroke, but neither in the sense of matching what he has to follow nor in the sense of his credibility being in danger does he HAVE to get anything right.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:01 pm

Im pretty sure Hodgson is trying to win games and is not looking at each game and thinking "what did they do in this game last year "

Man Utd - last 4 games we have played them we have won 3

We need postitive results in the next game as currently we have 4 points out of 9 and after the next two games we could easily be 4 points out of 15 - so yes hodgson does need to get it right .

4 wins in europe against minnows of european football - and the last round we struggled and got through due to the oppositions lack of ability to make the best use of dominating the possession .

Arsenal - Understrength is a good word for a team missing its two best players by a mile plus another striker . Yet they still dominated most of the game bar a 15 min period in second half

Man City - totally dominated throughout the game because we played a 4-4-2 formation - everyone here could see it wasnt working but the manager did nothing to change it .

West Brom - a team that got thumped 6 nil by chelsea dominated us for large periods of the game and if they had the ability to create better chances we would of lost - not forgetting we were supposed to be the home team (at home against promoted teams is something we havent struggled against )

So yes i do believe the next two games are crucial both in terms of results and performance .
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Postby fivecups » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:26 pm

bigmick wrote:Roy hasn't got anything wrong so far.

1. Got it wrong against City, Masch letting him down or not. 4-4-2 away to one of the strongest teams in the league playing a 4-5-1 with Torres and Ngog up front did not work.

2. Should have signed a striker. Approached multiple players but ultimately didn't sign anyone despite funds obviously being available. Will there be in January?

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with him so far but I'm going to stick in the middle-of-the road camp. On Rafa or Roy - Roy was better for us, we needed a change. Worldwide, Rafa is more highly rated that Roy.
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Postby Cool Hand Luke » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:59 pm

Roy has got most things right since he has been here but he couldn't of got it more wrong against Man City. It was a bit of shocker really and a bit worrying so early on. Hopefully he has learned a harsh lesson. Most people were surprised when we went 4-4-2 with Gerrard in the centre but it wasn't surprising that City completely dominated us.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:25 pm

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bigmick wrote:Roy hasn't got anything wrong so far.

1. Got it wrong against City, Masch letting him down or not. 4-4-2 away to one of the strongest teams in the league playing a 4-5-1 with Torres and Ngog up front did not work.

2. Should have signed a striker. Approached multiple players but ultimately didn't sign anyone despite funds obviously being available. Will there be in January?

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with him so far but I'm going to stick in the middle-of-the road camp. On Rafa or Roy - Roy was better for us, we needed a change. Worldwide, Rafa is more highly rated that Roy.

he was trying to get Gomez on loan and the player was willing to come however Bayern didnt wanna let him leave.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:46 pm

Getting gomez would of been a mistake - the guy is toilet
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Postby Thommo's perm » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:12 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Im pretty sure Hodgson is trying to win games and is not looking at each game and thinking "what did they do in this game last year "

Man Utd - last 4 games we have played them we have won 3

We need postitive results in the next game as currently we have 4 points out of 9 and after the next two games we could easily be 4 points out of 15 - so yes hodgson does need to get it right .

4 wins in europe against minnows of european football - and the last round we struggled and got through due to the oppositions lack of ability to make the best use of dominating the possession .

Arsenal - Understrength is a good word for a team missing its two best players by a mile plus another striker . Yet they still dominated most of the game bar a 15 min period in second half

Man City - totally dominated throughout the game because we played a 4-4-2 formation - everyone here could see it wasnt working but the manager did nothing to change it .

West Brom - a team that got thumped 6 nil by chelsea dominated us for large periods of the game and if they had the ability to create better chances we would of lost - not forgetting we were supposed to be the home team (at home against promoted teams is something we havent struggled against )

So yes i do believe the next two games are crucial both in terms of results and performance .

I want to win every game 6-0
Anything less and Im disappointed, especially if its against "minnows", "understrength" or "promoted" teams.
Am I being unrealistic?
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Postby TarnRed » Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:04 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Im pretty sure Hodgson is trying to win games and is not looking at each game and thinking "what did they do in this game last year "

Man Utd - last 4 games we have played them we have won 3

We need postitive results in the next game as currently we have 4 points out of 9 and after the next two games we could easily be 4 points out of 15 - so yes hodgson does need to get it right .

4 wins in europe against minnows of european football - and the last round we struggled and got through due to the oppositions lack of ability to make the best use of dominating the possession .

Arsenal - Understrength is a good word for a team missing its two best players by a mile plus another striker . Yet they still dominated most of the game bar a 15 min period in second half

Man City - totally dominated throughout the game because we played a 4-4-2 formation - everyone here could see it wasnt working but the manager did nothing to change it .

West Brom - a team that got thumped 6 nil by chelsea dominated us for large periods of the game and if they had the ability to create better chances we would of lost - not forgetting we were supposed to be the home team (at home against promoted teams is something we havent struggled against )

So yes i do believe the next two games are crucial both in terms of results and performance .

I want to win every game 6-0
Anything less and Im disappointed, especially if its against "minnows", "understrength" or "promoted" teams.
Am I being unrealistic?

People are forgetting we are 3 games into the Premier League season and they expect a sudden change of players mentality, how Roy wants them to play, and they want to us to hit the ground running (we all want that btw). It aint going to happen unfortunately for them and people need to give the man time rather than being so judgemental oh so soon.

Just to add I was neither pro-nor anti Rafa I just felt he had run out of ideas and a change was needed. But people please think back, in Rafa's first season we lost a massive 12 Premier League games were they so critical back then?.
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Postby Fauxy » Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:59 pm

Solid Debut from Paul. Put in some great crosses and passes. Was ok defensively.

Shame he got injured, didnt look too serious though
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Postby bigmick » Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:15 pm

I thought it was an excellent debut. Got up and down well, defended properly and knocked some lovely balls. I would defy anyone to say that his performance today was not absolutely different class to anything we saw from Insua.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:22 pm

Fauxy wrote:Solid Debut from Paul. Put in some great crosses and passes. Was ok defensively.

Shame he got injured, didnt look too serious though

agreed. his eye for a pass isnt bad at all.
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