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by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:35 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Once is not enough - esp during that one game ( two in fact ) he contributed nothing more than Lucas .

Watch him at international level and you'll see the difference.

My comments aren't based solely on his one game he has played. In fact the game he played he looked unfit but still more dynamic than Lucas.

Poll all supporters who watch Liverpool regularly, either at Anfield or on TV, whether they think Lucas is any good. There'll be no surprises in the result.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:36 am

In and Out wrote:
From what I have seen from Poulsen, he is far more dynamic and will look for a forward thinking pass. If he adds this alone he has exceeded Lucas.

Have to agree with that. Poulsen has made some forward passes and has looked to be much more dynamic in that respect, therefore he has exceeded Lucas Not hard really though is it. FWIW Poulsen will improve the team over Lucas, I do worry about his legs though (not that there shaved, waxed, veeted or anything) but he is a bit old and the pace of the game may be his achillies heel. Even if he sits, he looked very slow on the turn to me, with more games played I hope he can turn quicker than the titanic and keep up with the pace.

Hamman was never quick, nor was Gary Mac for that matter. A footballing brain makes up for that, experience is key.

At present Lucas should not be starting for Liverpool.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:10 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Once is not enough - esp during that one game ( two in fact ) he contributed nothing more than Lucas .

Watch him at international level and you'll see the difference.

My comments aren't based solely on his one game he has played. In fact the game he played he looked unfit but still more dynamic than Lucas.

Poll all supporters who watch Liverpool regularly, either at Anfield or on TV, whether they think Lucas is any good. There'll be no surprises in the result.

What he has done before means nothing now - its what he does in a Liverpool shirt and so far nothing to change my mind about him

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:30 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Once is not enough - esp during that one game ( two in fact ) he contributed nothing more than Lucas .

Watch him at international level and you'll see the difference.

My comments aren't based solely on his one game he has played. In fact the game he played he looked unfit but still more dynamic than Lucas.

Poll all supporters who watch Liverpool regularly, either at Anfield or on TV, whether they think Lucas is any good. There'll be no surprises in the result.

What he has done before means nothing now - its what he does in a Liverpool shirt and so far nothing to change my mind about him

What a ludicrous statement to make. If manager's took your stance they would never make any transfers other than resigning old players.

What he has done before is the primary reason he was transferred.

gobsmacked...

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:38 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Once is not enough - esp during that one game ( two in fact ) he contributed nothing more than Lucas .

Watch him at international level and you'll see the difference.

My comments aren't based solely on his one game he has played. In fact the game he played he looked unfit but still more dynamic than Lucas.

Poll all supporters who watch Liverpool regularly, either at Anfield or on TV, whether they think Lucas is any good. There'll be no surprises in the result.

What he has done before means nothing now - its what he does in a Liverpool shirt and so far nothing to change my mind about him

What a ludicrous statement to make. If manager's took your stance they would never make any transfers other than resigning old players.

What he has done before is the primary reason he was transferred.

gobsmacked...

Plenty of players have had very good careers and have been good internationals before arriving and plenty have failed some have been world class stars - Morientis to name one - so what they have done before does get them the transfer it is what they do in a Liverpool shirt that counts - i have seen Poulsen play before he arrived and havent been impressed - im pretty sure most agreed when he was mentioned as a replacement for Xabi this time last summer and so far his performances in a Liverpool shirt have not so far made me change my opinion of him.

He could of won every single trophy going and been player of the year in ten different countries and won world cups etc - it wasnt in a Liverpool shirt and its what he does in a Liverpool shirt that counts for me im afraid .

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:20 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:He could of won every single trophy going and been player of the year in ten different countries and won world cups etc - it wasnt in a Liverpool shirt and its what he does in a Liverpool shirt that counts for me im afraid .

Spot on. He could have been the Brazilian footballer of the year in the past but if he's not done enough in Liverpool shirt he needs sitting down. No question. :nod

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:21 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Once is not enough - esp during that one game ( two in fact ) he contributed nothing more than Lucas .

Watch him at international level and you'll see the difference.

My comments aren't based solely on his one game he has played. In fact the game he played he looked unfit but still more dynamic than Lucas.

Poll all supporters who watch Liverpool regularly, either at Anfield or on TV, whether they think Lucas is any good. There'll be no surprises in the result.

What he has done before means nothing now - its what he does in a Liverpool shirt and so far nothing to change my mind about him

What a ludicrous statement to make. If manager's took your stance they would never make any transfers other than resigning old players.

What he has done before is the primary reason he was transferred.

gobsmacked...

Plenty of players have had very good careers and have been good internationals before arriving and plenty have failed some have been world class stars - Morientis to name one - so what they have done before does get them the transfer it is what they do in a Liverpool shirt that counts - i have seen Poulsen play before he arrived and havent been impressed - im pretty sure most agreed when he was mentioned as a replacement for Xabi this time last summer and so far his performances in a Liverpool shirt have not so far made me change my opinion of him.

He could of won every single trophy going and been player of the year in ten different countries and won world cups etc - it wasnt in a Liverpool shirt and its what he does in a Liverpool shirt that counts for me im afraid .

In which case then how do you justify the selection of Lucas?

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:34 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:He could of won every single trophy going and been player of the year in ten different countries and won world cups etc - it wasnt in a Liverpool shirt and its what he does in a Liverpool shirt that counts for me im afraid .

Spot on. He could have been the Brazilian footballer of the year in the past but if he's not done enough in Liverpool shirt he needs sitting down. No question.

Agree Bob - if there is someone better to replace him then he sits on the bench - whether poulsen is better is yet to be decided at the moment IMO

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:36 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Once is not enough - esp during that one game ( two in fact ) he contributed nothing more than Lucas .

Watch him at international level and you'll see the difference.

My comments aren't based solely on his one game he has played. In fact the game he played he looked unfit but still more dynamic than Lucas.

Poll all supporters who watch Liverpool regularly, either at Anfield or on TV, whether they think Lucas is any good. There'll be no surprises in the result.

What he has done before means nothing now - its what he does in a Liverpool shirt and so far nothing to change my mind about him

What a ludicrous statement to make. If manager's took your stance they would never make any transfers other than resigning old players.

What he has done before is the primary reason he was transferred.

gobsmacked...

Plenty of players have had very good careers and have been good internationals before arriving and plenty have failed some have been world class stars - Morientis to name one - so what they have done before does get them the transfer it is what they do in a Liverpool shirt that counts - i have seen Poulsen play before he arrived and havent been impressed - im pretty sure most agreed when he was mentioned as a replacement for Xabi this time last summer and so far his performances in a Liverpool shirt have not so far made me change my opinion of him.

He could of won every single trophy going and been player of the year in ten different countries and won world cups etc - it wasnt in a Liverpool shirt and its what he does in a Liverpool shirt that counts for me im afraid .

In which case then how do you justify the selection of Lucas?

Because last season we had no one better to replace him until Aquilani was fit and as I said above IMO it's yet to be decided if Poulsen is better .

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:44 pm

I think where the vast majority of us differ in opinion to you is that Lucas does nothing to justify his selection. Therefore a new signing, who has had a successful career both internationally and at CL level, is ample reason to justify the departure of Lucas.

What I can't understand is your stance to keep Lucas in the team despite continued poor performances. Poulsen may not of convinced you but for the most of us he offers far more potential to succeed here than Lucas ever has.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:45 pm

Lucas is selected because when he is asked to play a specific role he does so to the best of his ability and gives 100%
He knows he is not the most popular figure with forums and the like ,but carries on regardless knowing the crowd at Anfield and specifically the Lads in the Kop will always back a player who puts in a shift ....and I admire the lad for his attitude and application performing a role that is as alien to him as humility is to Mourinho .... and now with Mascherano gone the question is who makes the tackles ....because make no mistake along with the so called flair players and Superstars Liverpool will always need grafters they add to the mix even if on their own they can be tasteless and lets face it Lucas will never be flavour of the month on here, and neither will Kuyt ..... and more worrying is the introduction of Jovanovic into the" not good enough club "after it has to be said not even a handful of games people are already stating they deem him not good enough ,but on the other hand repeatedly inform us Konchesky will prove a sterling purchase .... I will always back a lad who doesn't hide on the pitch and I think Lucas ,kuyt and Jovanovic fall into that category of battlers who never shy away from the fear of failure

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:51 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:I think where the vast majority of us differ in opinion to you is that Lucas does nothing to justify his selection. Therefore a new signing, who has had a successful career both internationally and at CL level, is ample reason to justify the departure of Lucas.

What I can't understand is your stance to keep Lucas in the team despite continued poor performances. Poulsen may not of convinced you but for the most of us he offers far more potential to succeed here than Lucas ever has.

It's all about opinions you have yours and I have mine - still interesting to know how come when Poulsen was looked at last summer it was an all-round massive no from everyone SCS ! Now its all changed since he can't get into the Juve team ! Potential !? He is 30 now coming towards the end of his career and coming to a fast and physical demanding league and he looks like he has lead in his boots . I don't rate poulsen and never have

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:00 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:I think where the vast majority of us differ in opinion to you is that Lucas does nothing to justify his selection. Therefore a new signing, who has had a successful career both internationally and at CL level, is ample reason to justify the departure of Lucas.

What I can't understand is your stance to keep Lucas in the team despite continued poor performances. Poulsen may not of convinced you but for the most of us he offers far more potential to succeed here than Lucas ever has.

It's all about opinions you have yours and I have mine - still interesting to know how come when Poulsen was looked at last summer it was an all-round massive no from everyone SCS ! Now its all changed since he can't get into the Juve team ! Potential !? He is 30 now coming towards the end of his career and coming to a fast and physical demanding league and he looks like he has lead in his boots . I don't rate poulsen and never have

1) I was never party to the discussion about Poulsen last season, in fact I never remember him even being linked. Was it a Lakes rumour?

2) Potential to succeed here. Not the type of potential we talk about when referring to youngsters. He is no Xabi Alonso but he is a far sight closer than Lucas is.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:47 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:1) I was never party to the discussion about Poulsen last season, in fact I never remember him even being linked. Was it a Lakes rumour?

Yeah, I missed these in-depth sessions weighing the merits of signing Poulsen last year myself. Strange, since I'm paid (not really, but I b.loody well should be :angry:

) to read these boards every day, so I'm sure I would have remembered. Something tells me this whole 'everyone dismissed him last year' angle is a bit of a myth.

With that said, I probably would have dismissed him last year since we were looking to replace Alonso at the time and Poulsen, clearly, is not the type of player you sign to replace Alonso. Now we're one year on and are needing to replace both Masch (defensive destroyer) and Lucas (not good enough, IMO) adn we need to do so on a tight budget. All of sudden, a player like Poulsen seems a much better fit.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:50 pm

It was last summer when a report came out that Rafa was looking at Poulsen as a replacement for Xabi and he was prety much dismissed allround .

My opinion of him back then is the same now and the same as Konchesky and that opinion wont change unless they prove me wrong on the pitch in a Liverpool shirt .

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