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by **stmichael** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:32 pm

I've been a bit dismayed with the way people have dismissed Cisse as another ****** Houllier signing. Its particularly ironic given that the same people were probably going on about how good he was, and how much difference he'd make before he came. No doubt having never seen the guy play.

I've been watching Cisse and I think they guy has been very unlucky in many respects. At least 75% of the "offsides" are down to him being so quick. He's also getting frustrated with the lack of service - mainly because we're playing a different system and two of the players most likely to be supplying the passes haven't played with him, or together, before. I've seen people comparing him with Diouf and Heskey. Are they watching the runs he makes, and the way he finishes when he gets chances? Diouf would have been completely incapable of scoring any of the goals Cisse has this season.

There are also the Drogba comparisons. Again, watch Drogba for Chelsea. He's getting 5 or 6 chances a game in a team that are playing with confidence and making chances. Watch how many of those chances he takes, and how many he screws up. They both have 2 league goals this season. Drogba has started and finished every game for an unbeaten side.

Give the guy some time, let the team finds its feet, and we have a 20 goal a season player. If we don't completely destroy his confidence beforehand.....

Drogba's the better player, but he's 26? Cisse's 22?

Where was Drogba when he was 22?

Where will Cisse be when he's 26?

He will come good and be a tremendous player for us.

Thoughts? :Oo:

by **Redrider** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:37 pm

Give the Cisse stuff a rest. Even I am getting bored with this.

by **anfieldadorer** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:39 pm

stmichael wrote:Drogba's the better player, but he's 26? Cisse's 22?
Where was Drogba when he was 22?
Where will Cisse be when he's 26?
He will come good and be a tremendous player for us.
Thoughts?

Where was Heskey when he was 22?
Where is now Heskey at 26?

by **anfieldadorer** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:41 pm

but pricipally i agree Cisse should be given more chance before fairly judged

by **stmichael** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:07 pm

anfieldadorer wrote:Where was Heskey when he was 22?
Where is now Heskey at 26?

what's heskey got to do with anything?

by **glambertino** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:26 pm

Exactly stmichael. Heskey was never top scorer in the French league, nevermind the Premiership (hoping I don't have to eat my words later this year....)

by **bigmick** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:30 pm

In fairness to Heskey, hindsight proved that at 11 mill he was an average buy at best. That said, he looked good at leicester and the early days at Anfield promised much so even though ultimately he didn't develop as a player in my view, the purchase was understandable at the time.
On the question of Cisse, I agree that he has been lucky with a couple of offsides and that his finishes, particularly against Tottenham were sharp enough. Agreed also on the point that the service he has been getting has not been the best, particularly away from home. On the case of Drogba, it's true to say his development has been somewhat freakish. Cisse is very likely better at the same age than he was, by all accounts Drogba was rubbish as a young player. 'Thing is though, Marseilles didn't pay 14 mill' for Drogba, they paid peanuts for potential and struck gold. So when you say lay off Cisse, I think you slightly miss the point. My beef is not with the player, he looks bordering on ok. My beef is the fact that we shelled out 14 mill for him.
One last point, how would we all measure success? My line is, assuming he stays fit and scores 14 goals or more in his first Premiership season (not counting penalties), I'll say he's been a successful signing and I'm wrong. Obviously anything around the 20 goal mark and I'll get me coat. I reiterate though, I'd be getting me coat with the biggest smile on my face! For the record, if I was having a bet on the spreads, I'd guess around 11, which would not be conclusive either way really.

by **bigmick** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:43 pm

Er sorry, I meant UNlucky with offsides, sorry.

by **stmichael** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:17 pm

bigmick wrote:My beef is not with the player, he looks bordering on ok. My beef is the fact that we shelled out 14 mill for him.

yeah well unfortunately the new manager couldn't do anything about that. houllier had already agreed the deal with guy roux before he got sacked. if benitez had the choice i don't think he would have signed cisse, he'd more likely have brought in someone from spain.

however to brand him as a flop after 8 games is laughable. if cisse is a flop then what was diouf?

by **taff** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:40 pm

stmichael wrote:however to brand him as a flop after 8 games is laughable. if cisse is a flop then what was diouf?

The floppermost of the toppermost

by **stmichael** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:44 pm

taff wrote:
stmichael wrote:however to brand him as a flop after 8 games is laughable. if cisse is a flop then what was diouf?

The floppermost of the toppermost

i think that pretty much sums it up taff

by **bigmick** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:47 pm

You read what you wanna read St Mike. The words flop never entered my head, so I haven't branded him anything of the sort. In my opinion he's overpriced at 14 million. If I asked you what your opinion is, you'd say it was too early to be sure. I agree, its too early to be sure but its not too early to have an opinion. You too have an opinion, it's merely that you choose not to voice it at this stage. It's funny that despite many people saying it's way too early to make their mind up, nobody so far has put their reputation on the line and said he was a good buy at the price.
In the case of Diouf its not opinion, I think most people would accept it as a fact that the 10 million we spent on him was wasted. Compared to him, Cisse is probably a bargain but then again, if thats the benchmark we choose to use, anybody we've ever signed looks like top value. My suspicion is that people are merely hoping against hope that he comes through and feel that by voicing negative thoughts they are being disloyal. I hope he comes through too St Mike. How many Premiership goals before you would feel justified in saying I was wrong? What's your benchmark?

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:05 pm

mick. whilst i respect what you're saying, ald also the fact that you havent blown your top yet with everyone disagreeiin with yer, (i probably would have done by now), i think you're missin the point slightly. the point bein that its too early to make an opinion, not that we feel we're bein disloyal by speaking ill of cisse. we;ve seen what you've seen, but dont want to judge him yet as we dont think its enough to be able to FORM the opinion. we're in the middle, as opposed to sayin he's dead good etc. the reason we're sayin give him time, is so that we have time to see what he can do before we can say how good (or bad) this fellar is.

by **bigmick** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:23 pm

Fair enough Jim and well said. I'll leave it at that then (the whole forum breathes a collective sigh of relief!) but my prediction is out there, 11 league goals. About the same as Yakubu at Portsmouth, Beattie at Southampton or Stern John at Fulham.

by **Redrider** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:05 pm

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