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by **Fauxy** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:48 pm

Could say the exact same thing back to you.

In the event of injuries players have to be prepared to move around. Im sure Kuyt, Babel or Jovanovic could play there if needed.

And Hodgson has got his priorities spot on IMO. He's only spent 6 mill on a midfielder and he is probably going to spend watever he can get out of the Mascherano deal on another striker, which will most likely be more than 6 mil

by **Calum** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:04 pm

You're relying on Kuyt and Babel to score goals when Torres isn't playing? They struggled there last season and I don't see any reason to think differently this season. Jovanovic is unproven and we'll have to wait and see.

Anybody should be able to see we're light up front and overloaded in midfield. We sold Crouch, Bellamy and Keane. Who were the replacements? Hardly in the same league, are they? I would rather put Cole up front than the names mentioned, but we shouldn't be in that situation if a new striker had been signed.

by **Fauxy** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:13 pm

Calum wrote:You're relying on Kuyt and Babel to score goals when Torres isn't playing? They struggled there last season and I don't see any reason to think differently this season. Jovanovic is unproven and we'll have to wait and see.

No im not relying on them at all, I would not want them as backup strikers.

The only reason I said that was to prove the point that the midfield cant afford to be moved around either.

Shelvey, Aquilani or Carragher arent going to be relied on to protect the back four if they have to be shifted around - as Jovanovic, Kuyt and Babel arent going to be relied upon to score goals if they are shifted around.

by **Calum** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:14 pm

Actually, who were the replacements for Crouch, Bellamy, and Keane? Was it Voronin, Babel and N'Gog? Am I missing someone? I must be, surely.

by **PabloMedina28** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:04 pm

Fauxy wrote: They arent gonna fill the gap, for a start Jonjo is an attacking mid that can play centre mid. He's not a defensive mid.

Spearing just isnt good enough.

The gap would still exist

I understand ur concerns mat ebut wheres this rule come in saying u need a defensive midfielder

I d much rather have a midfielder who can keep the ball 4 us ala Alonso (would broke up his fair share of attacks)

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:16 pm

a striker has been lined up and it is all going to happen really quickly once Mascha has gone.. the deal is done..

by **Fauxy** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:13 am

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:a striker has been lined up and it is all going to happen really quickly once Mascha has gone.. the deal is done..

Whoooo?

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:27 am

Calum wrote:Hodgson has got his priorities wrong.

Let's wait and see where we're at come the end of the transfer window? IMO, it's too soon to say he's c.ocked it up by not buying a striker. In any case, I definitely agree with those who say that getting Masch's replacement in was an important piece of business. For all our central midfielders, too few are the mind the shop type that we desperately need. We've got a lot of midfielders who like to get forward and express themselves and without someone to sit back and break up opposition play, we'll leave too many gaps at the back. That's the way of the modern game. Signing a striker is important but so is replacing Masch when he inevitably ships out.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:27 am

Fauxy wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:a striker has been lined up and it is all going to happen really quickly once Mascha has gone.. the deal is done..

Whoooo?

I dont think he's going to say who it is.

by **rocky29** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:50 am

Fauxy wrote:
Calum wrote:
Fauxy wrote:Right now we dont have much of a choice but to wait for him to go. Poulson for 6 Mill was a great piece of business by Roy because it closes the gap in our midfield and will mean that more funds will be avavilable for a striker.

You must be joking. What gap? We have more than enough midfielders to cover any gaps. The money spent on Poulson should have been spent on a striker. And why can't we play with two strikers? If it's against a team in the bottom half, we should be going with that.

Not a question of playing second fiddle to Torres. Although if Berbatov can play second fiddle to Rooney, there should be no trouble in finding another striker. We really need another striker before the transfer window closes, or it's a repeat of last season.

eh? Ok so say we didnt buy Poulson.

Lucas gets injured.

Who do we play in defensive mid?

....

GAP

so what happens if inter wont pay mashes going rate and pull out. Will we have enough midfielders then and no money for a striker?

by **rocky29** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:06 am

Calum wrote:You're relying on Kuyt and Babel to score goals when Torres isn't playing? They struggled there last season and I don't see any reason to think differently this season. Jovanovic is unproven and we'll have to wait and see.

Anybody should be able to see we're light up front and overloaded in midfield. We sold Crouch, Bellamy and Keane. Who were the replacements? Hardly in the same league, are they? I would rather put Cole up front than the names mentioned, but we shouldn't be in that situation if a new striker had been signed.

calum your the first one in a while to talk any sense on here. Why o why do we need so many midfielders. When we saw what happened just last season when nando was out injured. Lets see how ngog does against arsenal and then man city. When nando is out injured we have the worst strike force in the premiership for fecksake.

by **Owzat** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:46 am

Calum wrote:You're relying on Kuyt and Babel to score goals when Torres isn't playing? They struggled there last season and I don't see any reason to think differently this season. Jovanovic is unproven and we'll have to wait and see.

Anybody should be able to see we're light up front and overloaded in midfield. We sold Crouch, Bellamy and Keane. Who were the replacements? Hardly in the same league, are they? I would rather put Cole up front than the names mentioned, but we shouldn't be in that situation if a new striker had been signed.

re Kuyt and Babel, well the whole team struggled so putting their form down to simply not being good enough is harsh since they were in a team with no Alonso, two DMs and not a lot of players performing. Gerrard had a relatively poor season, that played as big a part as any lack of contribution from Kuyt and to a lesser degree Babel.

And you're 'singling out' Kuyt and Babel when N'Gog was the one covering Torres. Below are periods where N'Gog played most of the games, only including the games where he did play 65+ mins even if the period contains more games than results are quoted for.

09/11/09-29/11/09 : N'GOG - P4 W2 D2 L0 (2 goals)
13/12/09-02/01/10 : TORRES - P5 W1 D2 L2 (1 goal)
13/01/10-18/02/10 : N'GOG - P7 W4 D1 L2 (1 goal)
28/02/10-08/04/10 : TORRES - P10 W5 D1 L4 (10 goals)
11/04/10-22/04/10 : N'GOG - P3 W1 D1 L1 (1 goal)

What does that prove? Firstly that N'Gog was more the cover when Torres wasn't playing not Babel/Kuyt. Secondly that regardless who was up top the results were still poor so the TEAM didn't play well, it wasn't down to the striker alone, since even Torres scoring 10 goals in 10 games saw us lose 40% of our games - all away - Wigan, Lille, Man Utd and Benfica, Torres scored once in those four games

And yes, duh, we are "light up front", but when Rafa went to the one up front formation it rather restricted his options. Torres plays better up front on his own, this isn't condusive to having more than one quality striker. He threw £20.3m at a striker who clearly was too old and there were some reservations about his ability too, and when he went down that road and made that mistake it more or less ended our hopes of bringing someone in.

I'm not sure I want Woy to go shopping for a striker, I dread to think who we'd end up with.

by **Redx** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:11 am

I think we need another stricker even if Torres is fit. as we will be looking at about 55+ games for the season..

by **Calum** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:26 pm

Owzat wrote:re Kuyt and Babel, well the whole team struggled so putting their form down to simply not being good enough is harsh since they were in a team with no Alonso, two DMs and not a lot of players performing. Gerrard had a relatively poor season, that played as big a part as any lack of contribution from Kuyt and to a lesser degree Babel.

And you're 'singling out' Kuyt and Babel when N'Gog was the one covering Torres. Below are periods where N'Gog played most of the games, only including the games where he did play 65+ mins even if the period contains more games than results are quoted for.

09/11/09-29/11/09 : N'GOG - P4 W2 D2 L0 (2 goals)
13/12/09-02/01/10 : TORRES - P5 W1 D2 L2 (1 goal)
13/01/10-18/02/10 : N'GOG - P7 W4 D1 L2 (1 goal)
28/02/10-08/04/10 : TORRES - P10 W5 D1 L4 (10 goals)
11/04/10-22/04/10 : N'GOG - P3 W1 D1 L1 (1 goal)

What does that prove? Firstly that N'Gog was more the cover when Torres wasn't playing not Babel/Kuyt. Secondly that regardless who was up top the results were still poor so the TEAM didn't play well, it wasn't down to the striker alone, since even Torres scoring 10 goals in 10 games saw us lose 40% of our games - all away - Wigan, Lille, Man Utd and Benfica, Torres scored once in those four games

And yes, duh, we are "light up front", but when Rafa went to the one up front formation it rather restricted his options. Torres plays better up front on his own, this isn't condusive to having more than one quality striker. He threw £20.3m at a striker who clearly was too old and there were some reservations about his ability too, and when he went down that road and made that mistake it more or less ended our hopes of bringing someone in.

I'm not sure I want Woy to go shopping for a striker, I dread to think who we'd end up with.

The reason why I referred to Kuyt and Babel and not N'Gog was because I was responding to a post that referred to these two.

And is there any need to use the word "duh"? No, there isn't. It's unnecessary. We all have different opinions but atleast have respect. Don't talk to someone as if they are an idiot. I did say it was obvious to everyone that we are light up front.

I'm guessing Torres will be missing in quite a few games this season, and in those games, we're going to miss chances that will cost us points. Then people will be saying "We should have bought another striker in the summer." You dread another striker coming in? I would embrace it, because we badly need another quality one.

by **metalhead** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:59 pm

Calum, who said Roy isn't looking for a striker? Its in the list, the fans know it and the gaffer too, but do you think we have the funds to buy one? when most players we are reported to be interested is 10m +? Whats happening is that if the Mascherano deal go through before the transfer window then we will have our backup striker, other than that we are in the sheister financially and we are adopting a sell to buy policy

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