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by **tubby** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:05 pm

Agger is the only option left if Insua goes. Whilst id like him for the starting role we would still need a backup for him. Who would we get for a few mill who can do the job? If he was reaching his 30's then id say sell him but the lad is still learning and has even been picked for the national team once or twice.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:31 pm

At what price would you sell?

by **NANNY RED** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:29 am

Say he does go , we know were stuggling for cash , and most of you will think im mad with what i am about to say , but worth a shout imo. We were introduced to a young gifted left back at the end of last season, a kid who has been plying his trade very well from what i have seen of him, Yes he would be an obvious back up choice but hes already on our books , why not give him a go ,
step up Jack Robinson,

Failing that is that fella from Sampadoria still going cheap
Reto Ziegler,

by **red till i die!!** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:10 am

id like to see him stay.
at the moment he isnt good enough to be 1st choice every week,but he is good enough for the squad.
he's young with great potential.imo keep him for another 2 years and if he doesent progress then im sure he'd still fetch 5m.
the expectation going into last season was fever pitch.our squad was weak and with aurelio out he was our only choice.he had a few bad games but honestly he was thrown in at the deep end from the off.
it was his first season in one of the toughest leagues in the world and with injuries to the squad it meant he got overplayed.
he has shown he is a tough little nut and i believe he can compete at this level.
if we buy a good lb over the summer then insua would be a decent understudy.

by **Well Red** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:27 am

is Martin Kelly a Left Back? What happened to that kid after that great champions league debut he had where he was the best player on the pitch for us (albeit in a team that was wretched and tipified our season)

by **Owzat** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:48 am

LFC2007 wrote:At what price would you sell?

Rumours yesterday I think it was had him down for a £5m bid from Sampdoria (?)

Rafa wasn't much one for giving youth a chance, Pacheco got only four sub appearances in the league in 09/10, Ayala five appearances (two starts) and the rest a handful of appearances between them. Spearing, Pacheco, Ayala, Kelly and Darby notched up 34 unused sub appearances between them ie stayed on the bench

And the stat worries me most about last season was we used 30 different players in the Premiership, and not because of the mythical "10-12 injuries at a time" I was reading about on 606 yesterday while this site was inaccessible. Yeah cause the players on the pitch were complete unknowns, didn't see Reina (38), Carra (37), Kuyt (37), Mascherano (34), Gerrard (33), Insua (31), Lucas (35) or any players like that ever. Even Agger put in 23 appearances in the last 26 games, Skrtel disappeared off the radar a bit before his injury. Torres played only two games more in 08/09 than 09/10, sure we had some injuries and the Torres loss is always a big one, but no more injuries than usual or indeed anyone else. The only two clear first choices who missed more than 10 games were Johnson and Torres, and despite his injury history even Aquilani played 18 times and was an unused sub another seven times, not bad for someone who didn't make his Premiership debut until 11 games had already been played.

£5m for Insua is a good price, I would sell. You can get better full backs for that kind of money, he may turn into a good full back but we aren't going to get better offers (if it is a genuine bid) and can we afford to wait and see? ie I'd rather have £5m in hand to spend on a new full back than risk him further at LB in the hope he becomes a top quality player. That is a good price for the finished article let alone the unfinished article.

by **tubby** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:30 am

Unless you are really good it's hard to get playing time in the top flight in England. Especially when the club is always under pressure to finish 4th or higher and bring in silverware. I wouldn't sell him for less than 9mil. The market is inflated right?
Maybe Roy has someone in mind.

by **stmichael** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:50 am

If this is true, I hope we pull out all the stops to get Figueroa from Wigan who I rate. From what I heard Sunderland were after him aswell but given a choice of us or them, even in our state it's a no brainer surely?

The thought of Agger starting the season at left back genuinely scares me. It's a complete waste of the boy's abilities.

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:33 am

If 5 million is true then sell without doubt.

He is not good enough despite his age.

Yes he could be a squad player but we need an actual first team player and for that money i think there must be one out there.
We sold Riise for less.

I think Evra was less wasnt he ? albeit a few years back now.

I see posts that back Rafa and say he was harshly treated, then bemoan the lack of cover in certain areas of the squad (attack and left back)
Surely its our former managers squad building that has left us in this sort of predicament ?

by **7_Kewell** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:16 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:I see posts that back Rafa and say he was harshly treated, then bemoan the lack of cover in certain areas of the squad (attack and left back)
Surely its our former managers squad building that has left us in this sort of predicament ?

oh god, let's not go down this road again. I think everything that CAN be said HAS be said on this topic.

by **Owzat** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:24 am

Ben Patrick wrote:If 5 million is true then sell without doubt.

He is not good enough despite his age.

Yes he could be a squad player but we need an actual first team player and for that money i think there must be one out there.
We sold Riise for less.

I think Evra was less wasnt he ? albeit a few years back now.

Evra £5.5m according to wikipedia.

Despite much hyped price tags and some silly exceptions where CBs and FBs go for silly money, anything over £7m is high for a defender.

Vidic cost under £7m, Agger and Skrtel did, Dossena was at the time a club record for us at £7m, Sagna cost €9m, Johnson only cost Chelsea £6m, Bridge cost them £7m before they started throwing money at every position. Arsenal and the mancs do pick up cheap defenders, Clichy and Eboue cost next to nothing. Chelsea's tendancy to throw money at players is now being copied by other teams, primarily citeh, leading people to overprice players, fans and clubs alike, when in truth the mark hasn't crept up at all it is just one or two clubs like raping themselves over fees. Bridge cost Citeh an inflated £10m, even then that isn't that much over the £7m mark for a defender going to a club that pays silly money for ordinary players

£9m for Insua would never happen, never in a million years. £5m is about the best we could hope for, no way would citeh want to buy Insua and they're the only club I can think of would pay any more than £5m for him - although Turkish clubs do sometimes wade in with big bids, but not for a full-back who can barely defend and offers not a lot going forward. Ask fans of other clubs what they think of Insua and see how many answers aren't four letters in length

by **Scottbot** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:09 am

I wonder if we might move for Bridge now that City look like they're about to splash 17 mill on a new left-back? Must say i've always liked Bridge as a player plus he's a Winchester lad who I met quite a few times. I know he doesn't seem to be rated for the most part on here though.

Plus we could stick it to John Terry even more than usual next time Chelsea are in town

by **tonyeh** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:29 am

We need a left and a right back.

I seriously think we should move Johnson into midfield and use him for an alternative left back when needed.

5 mil for Insua? I have him out door for that.

by **JC_81** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:26 pm

Scottbot wrote:I wonder if we might move for Bridge now that City look like they're about to splash 17 mill on a new left-back? Must say i've always liked Bridge as a player plus he's a Winchester lad who I met quite a few times. I know he doesn't seem to be rated for the most part on here though.

Plus we could stick it to John Terry even more than usual next time Chelsea are in town

Usually agree with you mate, but not on Bridge I'm afraid!

I think he's about half the player he would have been if he hadn't spend so many years warming Chelsea's bench. I honestly think if he had shown a bit more ambition and moved on in his early twenties he'd have been a better left back than Ashley Cole.

These days he doesn't look the same player. He's not thirty yet I don't think but he looks to me to have lost a yard of pace and anytime I watched him last season for City he was all over the place. Fair enough he's had personal problems that are well documented, but I think his game's deteriorated and I wouldn't be keen on us signing him.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:05 pm

HES GONE,

for 5 million

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