Liverpool FC Forum

Reg wrote:. 
Osama bin Laden has just released a new TV message to prove he is still
alive. He said that the England Team performance on Saturday was completely
s**te. British intelligence have dismissed the claim, stating that the
message could have been recorded anytime in the last 44 years.
 

bavlondon wrote:If Spain can get through this it should be a relatively easy route to the final.

LFC2007 wrote:

Big Niall wrote:Still waiting for your apology

I was proved right yet again

There was nothing to "get right" in light of last night's result. Why? Because nobody ever said Ronaldo has always done it or will always do it on the "big occasions". Rather that by being the Champions League top goalscorer and having scored against the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Arsenal and Porto in very important games that he's been a lot more effective on the "big occasions" than you originally made out. If you want to judge a player on international tournaments alone, fine - he hasn't "done it" - but in a better team who knows?, however that isn't what you originally said, hence you referred to his performances against "Chelsea, Arsenal, LFC...etc".

How many goals has the big man for the little occasion scored against LFC,Arsenal and Chelsea in how many games?

No point in remembering the odd goal here and there, look at the figures.

Brilliant against Hull, west brom etc but Danny Murphy probably has as good a record in the big games

I'm sure you enjoyed his step over against North Korea when 4-0 up and will probably youtube it as a sign that he is great, but a player isn't great if they disappear in big games and big tournaments.

See that pass yesterday? a simple pass could have been made but he did that very difficult trick with one leg over and then hitting the ball with the standing leg, but what's the point? the simple pass was on that would have achieved the same? vanity football that appeals to the masses.

You don't here people talking about the great goals Pele scored in the qualifiers for the 1970 world cup against equador.

LFC2007 wrote:

Big Niall wrote:How many goals has the big man for the little occasion scored against LFC,Arsenal and Chelsea in how many games?

No point in remembering the odd goal here and there, look at the figures.

Brilliant against Hull, west brom etc but Danny Murphy probably has as good a record in the big games

I'm sure you enjoyed his step over against North Korea when 4-0 up and will probably youtube it as a sign that he is great, but a player isn't great if they disappear in big games and big tournaments.

See that pass yesterday? a simple pass could have been made but he did that very difficult trick with one leg over and then hitting the ball with the standing leg, but what's the point? the simple pass was on that would have achieved the same? vanity football that appeals to the masses.

You don't here people talking about the great goals Pele scored in the qualifiers for the 1970 world cup against equador.

Like I said, if you want to judge a player on how great he is purely by looking at his international performances you would have to conclude that Gerrard and Thierry Henry are sh!t. They are rightly regarded as true greats though because of what they achieved at club level. Simple as that really. In a similar vein, Ronaldo will be regarded as one of the best players ever to have played in the Premiership for what he did in the Manc's three title wins and Champions League triumph. FWIW, I think Messi is on a different level to any player in world football right now, but there are a few below him and Ronaldo is one of them.

SeaofRed wrote:Niall, I respect what you are saying, but I disagree. Henry didn't exactly turn up for the big matches did he throughout his career, does that tarnish his ability? No. Not every player is going to be like player x,y and z therefore comparisons are useless. I have never once said that Ronaldo will stand amongst the greats of football, but to me he is a fantastic player with an immense ability. I thoroughly enjoy his arrogance just as much as I enjoy his finesse on the ball and his trickery. He's a character. I like all sorts of footballers, I just do what you do and churn out Pele, Maradona, Romario etc. Why? Because I know you aren't going to get another Pele or another Maradona, another Puskas, another Beckenbaur, another Rudi Voller or Mark Van Basten - You'll not even get another Arjen Robben or Franck Ribery, why? Because players are their own individuals and play the game in their own way, so these all time greatest player lists are meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Would you turn down the chance of signing Ronaldo? No one who has the slightest clue about football would turn away Ronaldo from their team. I don't care whether he doesn't turn up for one leg of a Champions League, I care about what a player does throughout the course of the season and Ronaldo was the main reason that United enjoyed three successive Premiership triumphs and two back to back Champions League final appearances. Man Utd look half the team they were when Ronaldo was with them.

He's had a bad world cup, so what? It doesn't diminish his standings as a brilliant player.