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by **Sir Roger** » Wed May 05, 2010 3:03 pm

Fauxy wrote:Why would we sell Aquilani when weve only just bought the bloke

And his season hasnt been dissapointing at all. Every game he's came on he has made a big impact to our entire teams creativity and movement. Not to mention he has had 6 assists and 2 goals in 9 starts..

If only he was suited to PL footy...

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed May 05, 2010 4:47 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
Fauxy wrote:Why would we sell Aquilani when weve only just bought the bloke

And his season hasnt been dissapointing at all. Every game he's came on he has made a big impact to our entire teams creativity and movement. Not to mention he has had 6 assists and 2 goals in 9 starts..

If only he was suited to PL footy...

I know that's tongue and cheek, but if only we had a manager that played the big money signings he had made is more accurate.

by **bigmick** » Wed May 05, 2010 5:36 pm

I was the first to admit when we played whoever it was the other week and he played well that it was an impressive performace, it was. I felt given the fact that I have been one of his biggest detractors it was only fair to do so.

I Must confess though, given how absolutely invisible he was against Chelsea, how little he influenced the play, how utterly lightwieght he looked, I'm more than a little surprised to see people patting themselves on the back over him. I kind of thought it might go quiet about him for a while until he has a good game again, after all we are playing Hull soon so he should be able to shine there :;):

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Still far from convinced I'm afraid, but as I'm so wrong no doubt we'll be knocked over in the rush for his services this summer.

by **Maickito** » Wed May 05, 2010 7:22 pm

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6135197,00.html?

Aqua man's agent - is everyone thinking of fecking leaving !

by **rocky29** » Wed May 05, 2010 7:50 pm

Maickito wrote:http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6135197,00.html?

Aqua man's agent - is everyone thinking of fecking leaving !

could anyone possibly blame the lad if he wanted to leave the way hes been treated. least bigmick would be happy?

by **kazza** » Wed May 05, 2010 9:17 pm

bigmick wrote:I Must confess though, given how absolutely invisible he was against Chelsea, how little he influenced the play, how utterly lightwieght he looked, I'm more than a little surprised to see people patting themselves on the back over him. I kind of thought it might go quiet about him for a while until he has a good game again, after all we are playing Hull soon so he should be able to shine there .

Your right he was invisible, well at least compared to Gerrard who had more impact with a great assist.

If you are going to critisize him, at least pick a game when the whole team did not play like cr@p. Then again validity is hardly important when going for a cheap shot.

by **Sabre** » Wed May 05, 2010 9:41 pm

I Must confess though, given how absolutely invisible he was against Chelsea,

I respect your previous assessments, but I don't think the intensity and determination that Liverpool played that game after the blow of The Uefa League, is an adequate game to jump into conclussions about the performance of a player, TBPH.

In fact, the sooner we forget every detail of that game, the better.

by **Sir Roger** » Wed May 05, 2010 11:51 pm

kazza wrote:
bigmick wrote:I Must confess though, given how absolutely invisible he was against Chelsea, how little he influenced the play, how utterly lightwieght he looked, I'm more than a little surprised to see people patting themselves on the back over him. I kind of thought it might go quiet about him for a while until he has a good game again, after all we are playing Hull soon so he should be able to shine there .

Your right he was invisible, well at least compared to Gerrard who had more impact with a great assist.

If you are going to critisize him, at least pick a game when the whole team did not play like cr@p. Then again validity is hardly important when going for a cheap shot.

He wont let it lie will he?
Has anone got some stats for Alonso re: assists, goals, starts and subs?
I cant remember him scoring or assisting every game he played in...?

by **rocky29** » Thu May 06, 2010 1:19 am

Sir Roger wrote:
kazza wrote:
bigmick wrote:I Must confess though, given how absolutely invisible he was against Chelsea, how little he influenced the play, how utterly lightwieght he looked, I'm more than a little surprised to see people patting themselves on the back over him. I kind of thought it might go quiet about him for a while until he has a good game again, after all we are playing Hull soon so he should be able to shine there .

Your right he was invisible, well at least compared to Gerrard who had more impact with a great assist.

If you are going to critisize him, at least pick a game when the whole team did not play like cr@p. Then again validity is hardly important when going for a cheap shot.

He wont let it lie will he?
Has anone got some stats for Alonso re: assists, goals, starts and subs?
I cant remember him scoring or assisting every game he played in...?

well said imho. I think opposite to bigmick. If hes that good at 50 percent matchfit how good will he be when hes fully matchfit?

by **andy_g** » Thu May 06, 2010 8:27 am

50% match fit? where the feck did you get that from??

as usual there are people quick to have a snap at mick's posts without actually thinking for a second about what he's saying. aquilani was excellent one game against a weak team (again) and then completely failed to impose himself against a strong one (again). whatever we think about his general qualities as a footballer its probably too much of a coincidence that he never seems to impress against a strong team. its not just that everyone was rubbish against chelsea its that certain players didn't even seem to have it in them to try, and sadly aquilani was one of them.

i'm someone that can see his obvious talents and i'm desperate for him to succeed with us, but every time my hopes are raised by a performance of his they are dashed again by the next one. it goes beyond the context of the team.

by **Sir Roger** » Thu May 06, 2010 8:50 am

andy_g wrote:50% match fit? where the feck did you get that from??

as usual there are people quick to have a snap at mick's posts without actually thinking for a second about what he's saying. aquilani was excellent one game against a weak team (again) and then completely failed to impose himself against a strong one (again). whatever we think about his general qualities as a footballer its probably too much of a coincidence that he never seems to impress against a strong team. its not just that everyone was rubbish against chelsea its that certain players didn't even seem to have it in them to try, and sadly aquilani was one of them.

i'm someone that can see his obvious talents and i'm desperate for him to succeed with us, but every time my hopes are raised by a performance of his they are dashed again by the next one. it goes beyond the context of the team.

I actually do think about what micks saying and disagree with him and you.
Aquilani has got SIX assists and TWO goals. FACT!!!
He is new to the league and has come back from serious injury. FACT!!!
He has played (when selected) against the team that has been put in front of him. FACT!!!
He has been thrown in at the deep end with a TEAM of underperforming, useless players, (including Captain Fantastic) FACT!!!
He is not, never has been, or ever will be Xabi Alonso. FACT!!!
So get over it and appreciate a creative, forward thinking, potentially fantastic young player who, with the proper support and guidance could become one of the best attacking midfielder weve ever had.
Thanks
:eyebrow

by **andy_g** » Thu May 06, 2010 9:24 am

Sir Roger wrote:

Aquilani has got SIX assists and TWO goals. FACT!!!

and i'm delighted about that too. FACT!!!

He is new to the league and has come back from serious injury. FACT!!!

players have come back from worse injuries and performed better. FACT!!!

He has played (when selected) against the team that has been put in front of him. FACT!!!

errr... yes. and?

He has been thrown in at the deep end with a TEAM of underperforming, useless players, (including Captain Fantastic) FACT!!!

then an exceptional player should have even more chance to shine. FACT!!!

He is not, never has been, or ever will be Xabi Alonso. FACT!!!

absolutely true. FACT!!!

So get over it and appreciate a creative, forward thinking, potentially fantastic young player who, with the proper support and guidance could become one of the best attacking midfielder weve ever had.

get over what, exactly? maybe you missed the bit in my post where i said i appreciate his qualities as a footballer and am desperate to succeed. and you say you read peoples' posts?

by **Sir Roger** » Thu May 06, 2010 9:32 am

andy_g wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:

Aquilani has got SIX assists and TWO goals. FACT!!!

and i'm delighted about that too. FACT!!!

He is new to the league and has come back from serious injury. FACT!!!

players have come back from worse injuries and performed better. FACT!!!

He has played (when selected) against the team that has been put in front of him. FACT!!!

errr... yes. and?

He has been thrown in at the deep end with a TEAM of underperforming, useless players, (including Captain Fantastic) FACT!!!

then an exceptional player should have even more chance to shine. FACT!!!

He is not, never has been, or ever will be Xabi Alonso. FACT!!!

absolutely true. FACT!!!

So get over it and appreciate a creative, forward thinking, potentially fantastic young player who, with the proper support and guidance could become one of the best attacking midfielder weve ever had.

get over what, exactly? maybe you missed the bit in my post where i said i appreciate his qualities as a footballer and am desperate to succeed. and you say you read peoples' posts?

Yes I do read other peoples posts
You said:
" its probably too much of a coincidence that he never seems to impress against a strong team."

Could you elaborate on this?

"its not just that everyone was rubbish against chelsea its that certain players didn't even seem to have it in them to try, and sadly aquilani was one of them"

This too please.

His record speaks for itself so far in the limited amount of time he has been allowed to play by his manager.
What exactly were you expecting and do expect from him?

by **bigmick** » Thu May 06, 2010 9:33 am

Aquilani is a really strange one, not as a footballer, but as a catalyst for people to get all worked up. As a footballer, he obviously has talent and ability, and the question is really whether he can impose himself on matches sufficiently to compensate for the fact he doesn't do a lot of graft and is defensively non existent. He's hardly the first player who has had to deal with doubters such as myself, blokes like Modric and Deco will always and continue to polarise opinions amongst football followers.

So are people wrong to have faith in him? Well no obviously they aren't. The bare stats of his appearances (six starts and eight assistants or whatever the feck it is) indicate that our eyes don't decieve us, he has got ability. Also, he's scored a couple of goals (one of which was an excellent one against Athletico Madrid), so clearly he isn't sh!t. The question still remains though, and those of us who ask it aren't wrong either.

It's when people get hot under the collar that they get carried away. Earlier on we had someone comparing him to Alonso which made me sit up. Firstly they aren't even similar types of player so the comparison doesn't hold water, and secondly Alonso is in a different class entirely. The next outlandish claim was that Aquilani could become one of the best attacking midfielders we've ever had. Quite apart from the fact that he can't get in the team as a genuine midfielder, it is a quite ridiculous statement. Sorry to be so dismissive but come on, fecks sake lets try and keep it sensible at least.

by **andy_g** » Thu May 06, 2010 9:40 am

Sir Roger wrote:You said:
" its probably too much of a coincidence that he never seems to impress against a strong team."

Could you elaborate on this?

"its not just that everyone was rubbish against chelsea its that certain players didn't even seem to have it in them to try, and sadly aquilani was one of them"

This too please.

by all means...

i mean that seeing as he fails to impress against strong teams but does against weak teams means that when he is up against a strong team that doesn't allow him a lot of freedom he doesn't seem able to produce a good performance. this *might* point to the 'fact' that he is not cut out for the english game at its highest level.

and in the chelsea game he had a more ineffective game than most of the other ineffective players.

just my opinions from what i have seen so far, of course. if he's still with us next season he may come good, and i really hope so. we're all aware of the 'what about pires?' argument when it comes to foreign imports having a poor first season and i guess there is some validity in that. more recently we have seen malouda go from looking like a complete waste of space to being one of this seasons most impressive attacking players, so of course there is the possibility that aquilani will do the same. we'll just have to wait and see and keep our fingers crossed.

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