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[Alex G.]

Garreth Barry no where near the class of Xabi, completley different type of player an all. An as for Sticking Gerrard back in the middle , yes i know stevie is a mr play all over the shop an hell still be great , but even he cant do that Xabi role as good as him, Xabi is one of the best playmakers ive ever seen an for us to loose him would be suicide, Ive only ever seen another playmaker similar an Barca have got him, We are a much better footballing side with Xabi in the team imo.

We all know the perfect scenario would be to keep Xabi an have Barry in aswell. I cant understand this fixation Rafa has with Barry ,it baffles me, But to loose a world class player who as Bob has said is one of the spine of the team is fecking madness. We wont find another player like him unless we spend millions an raid Barca for Iniesta

An i still believe this Tevez buissness is a smokescreen to get up the drunks nose,

I don´t think so nanny, the kind of player that Tevez is, fits perfectly with the football conception of Rafa.
I am convinced that Rafa prefers Tevez 100 times rather than Ronaldo or Messi.

He loves the hard working players like kuyt and Tevez. The difference is that Tevez apart of his hard working rate is a world class player.

[NANNY RED]

I cant believe this just put itv4 on an its only the match that broke me heart 20 years ago Liverpool v Arsenal, Why are they showing that

[GYBS]

Garreth Barry no where near the class of Xabi, completley different type of player an all. An as for Sticking Gerrard back in the middle , yes i know stevie is a mr play all over the shop an hell still be great , but even he cant do that Xabi role as good as him, Xabi is one of the best playmakers ive ever seen an for us to loose him would be suicide, Ive only ever seen another playmaker similar an Barca have got him, We are a much better footballing side with Xabi in the team imo.

We all know the perfect scenario would be to keep Xabi an have Barry in aswell. I cant understand this fixation Rafa has with Barry ,it baffles me, But to loose a world class player who as Bob has said is one of the spine of the team is fecking madness. We wont find another player like him unless we spend millions an raid Barca for Iniesta

An i still believe this Tevez buissness is a smokescreen to get up the drunks nose,

I don´t think so nanny, the kind of player that Tevez is, fits perfectly with the football conception of Rafa.
I am convinced that Rafa prefers Tevez 100 times rather than Ronaldo or Messi.

He loves the hard working players like kuyt and Tevez. The difference is that Tevez apart of his hard working rate is a world class player.

your joking right ? Are you seriously suggestion that if rafa was offered messi or tevez he would pick tevez ? ! Crazy ? Yes he likes hard working players but he knows his class players ie getting torres .

[heimdall]

and what exactly has rafa and xabi said in the press - "not for sale " "not going anywhere " "wants to stay "

Oh well I've never heard a manager or a player say that before a transfer, it's all ok then. 

[Greavesie]

What the hells goin on here, been revising for my exams and now I've read all this , absolutely gutted if he does go, surely he isn't unhappy here. We need him for next season, he's shown this season how valuable he is to us and if he does go we have to invest into that position which wouldn't progress us at all as we have other areas to work on.

DONT GO XABI

[heimdall]

Garreth Barry no where near the class of Xabi, completley different type of player an all. An as for Sticking Gerrard back in the middle , yes i know stevie is a mr play all over the shop an hell still be great , but even he cant do that Xabi role as good as him, Xabi is one of the best playmakers ive ever seen an for us to loose him would be suicide, Ive only ever seen another playmaker similar an Barca have got him, We are a much better footballing side with Xabi in the team imo.

We all know the perfect scenario would be to keep Xabi an have Barry in aswell. I cant understand this fixation Rafa has with Barry ,it baffles me, But to loose a world class player who as Bob has said is one of the spine of the team is fecking madness. We wont find another player like him unless we spend millions an raid Barca for Iniesta

An i still believe this Tevez buissness is a smokescreen to get up the drunks nose,

I don´t think so nanny, the kind of player that Tevez is, fits perfectly with the football conception of Rafa.
I am convinced that Rafa prefers Tevez 100 times rather than Ronaldo or Messi.

He loves the hard working players like kuyt and Tevez. The difference is that Tevez apart of his hard working rate is a world class player.

your joking right ? Are you seriously suggestion that if rafa was offered messi or tevez he would pick tevez ? ! Crazy ? Yes he likes hard working players but he knows his class players ie getting torres .

Actually I'd take Tevez over Messi or are you suggesting that we bench your idol Kuyt?

[Reg]

Garreth Barry no where near the class of Xabi, completley different type of player an all. An as for Sticking Gerrard back in the middle , yes i know stevie is a mr play all over the shop an hell still be great , but even he cant do that Xabi role as good as him, Xabi is one of the best playmakers ive ever seen an for us to loose him would be suicide, Ive only ever seen another playmaker similar an Barca have got him, We are a much better footballing side with Xabi in the team imo.

We all know the perfect scenario would be to keep Xabi an have Barry in aswell. I cant understand this fixation Rafa has with Barry ,it baffles me, But to loose a world class player who as Bob has said is one of the spine of the team is fecking madness. We wont find another player like him unless we spend millions an raid Barca for Iniesta

An i still believe this Tevez buissness is a smokescreen to get up the drunks nose,

I don´t think so nanny, the kind of player that Tevez is, fits perfectly with the football conception of Rafa.
I am convinced that Rafa prefers Tevez 100 times rather than Ronaldo or Messi.

He loves the hard working players like kuyt and Tevez. The difference is that Tevez apart of his hard working rate is a world class player.

your joking right ? Are you seriously suggestion that if rafa was offered messi or tevez he would pick tevez ? ! Crazy ? Yes he likes hard working players but he knows his class players ie getting torres .

Actually I'd take Tevez over Messi or are you suggesting that we bench your idol Kuyt?

Only if we buy Pele, son.

[heimdall]

Garreth Barry no where near the class of Xabi, completley different type of player an all. An as for Sticking Gerrard back in the middle , yes i know stevie is a mr play all over the shop an hell still be great , but even he cant do that Xabi role as good as him, Xabi is one of the best playmakers ive ever seen an for us to loose him would be suicide, Ive only ever seen another playmaker similar an Barca have got him, We are a much better footballing side with Xabi in the team imo.

We all know the perfect scenario would be to keep Xabi an have Barry in aswell. I cant understand this fixation Rafa has with Barry ,it baffles me, But to loose a world class player who as Bob has said is one of the spine of the team is fecking madness. We wont find another player like him unless we spend millions an raid Barca for Iniesta

An i still believe this Tevez buissness is a smokescreen to get up the drunks nose,

I don´t think so nanny, the kind of player that Tevez is, fits perfectly with the football conception of Rafa.
I am convinced that Rafa prefers Tevez 100 times rather than Ronaldo or Messi.

He loves the hard working players like kuyt and Tevez. The difference is that Tevez apart of his hard working rate is a world class player.

your joking right ? Are you seriously suggestion that if rafa was offered messi or tevez he would pick tevez ? ! Crazy ? Yes he likes hard working players but he knows his class players ie getting torres .

Actually I'd take Tevez over Messi or are you suggesting that we bench your idol Kuyt?

Only if we buy Pele, son.

What?? Has Pele been on the stem cells and rejuvenated himself?   

[GYBS]

Garreth Barry no where near the class of Xabi, completley different type of player an all. An as for Sticking Gerrard back in the middle , yes i know stevie is a mr play all over the shop an hell still be great , but even he cant do that Xabi role as good as him, Xabi is one of the best playmakers ive ever seen an for us to loose him would be suicide, Ive only ever seen another playmaker similar an Barca have got him, We are a much better footballing side with Xabi in the team imo.

We all know the perfect scenario would be to keep Xabi an have Barry in aswell. I cant understand this fixation Rafa has with Barry ,it baffles me, But to loose a world class player who as Bob has said is one of the spine of the team is fecking madness. We wont find another player like him unless we spend millions an raid Barca for Iniesta

An i still believe this Tevez buissness is a smokescreen to get up the drunks nose,

I don´t think so nanny, the kind of player that Tevez is, fits perfectly with the football conception of Rafa.
I am convinced that Rafa prefers Tevez 100 times rather than Ronaldo or Messi.

He loves the hard working players like kuyt and Tevez. The difference is that Tevez apart of his hard working rate is a world class player.

your joking right ? Are you seriously suggestion that if rafa was offered messi or tevez he would pick tevez ? ! Crazy ? Yes he likes hard working players but he knows his class players ie getting torres .

Actually I'd take Tevez over Messi or are you suggesting that we bench your idol Kuyt?

you would take tevez over messi ? ! Well that just about sums up your football knowledge really . And yes if we had messi kuyt would be on the bench .

[DrPepe]

based on messi's usual performances vs english clubs, i don't think tevez would be a bad choice tbh 

[Reg]

If the Alonso rumours are true, what happens if Barry signs a new contract at Villa ?

[heimdall]

Garreth Barry no where near the class of Xabi, completley different type of player an all. An as for Sticking Gerrard back in the middle , yes i know stevie is a mr play all over the shop an hell still be great , but even he cant do that Xabi role as good as him, Xabi is one of the best playmakers ive ever seen an for us to loose him would be suicide, Ive only ever seen another playmaker similar an Barca have got him, We are a much better footballing side with Xabi in the team imo.

We all know the perfect scenario would be to keep Xabi an have Barry in aswell. I cant understand this fixation Rafa has with Barry ,it baffles me, But to loose a world class player who as Bob has said is one of the spine of the team is fecking madness. We wont find another player like him unless we spend millions an raid Barca for Iniesta

An i still believe this Tevez buissness is a smokescreen to get up the drunks nose,

I don´t think so nanny, the kind of player that Tevez is, fits perfectly with the football conception of Rafa.
I am convinced that Rafa prefers Tevez 100 times rather than Ronaldo or Messi.

He loves the hard working players like kuyt and Tevez. The difference is that Tevez apart of his hard working rate is a world class player.

your joking right ? Are you seriously suggestion that if rafa was offered messi or tevez he would pick tevez ? ! Crazy ? Yes he likes hard working players but he knows his class players ie getting torres .

Actually I'd take Tevez over Messi or are you suggesting that we bench your idol Kuyt?

you would take tevez over messi ? ! Well that just about sums up your football knowledge really . And yes if we had messi kuyt would be on the bench .

So you would rather bring in a player for a position where we currently look ok rather than bring in a very much needed second striker. Your football brains also need examining I think!

[GYBS]

i would rather bring in the worlds best player who can play in a number of positions than tevez simple as that . The guy is the best there is simple as that , pace creativity , trickery , goals , assists , play him right left behind striker . It shows good football sense to want the best player in the world over anyone else at the club .

[heimdall]

Yes, he is a good player, I payed some attention to him this season.
Because his passing ability, his vision and his football skill are very far from Xabi's.

Perhaps we could do with Barry and strengthening other positions? Maybe, and Rafa knows about this game. But to compare Barry and Alonso is laughable.

It's a sad  that England hasn't better players than Barry and Carrick these days, because they're not certainly of the same league of Gerrard. England is not triumphing because of this, and because they don't have a Peter Shilton under the sticks. The media might overrate players like Barry as much as they want, you won't see big foreign clubs paying lots of money for the likes of Barry, that's good quality but not top quality.

I agree with a lot of that Sabre. Pound for pound, there is no doubt in my mind that Xabi is a more complete footballer than Barry.

But things don't always work out in favour of quality. Can we say that Andy Johnson or Amir Zaki are better strikers than Morientes was? I don't think that they come even close. Yet they have been more successful in England that Nando M ever was for us. Invariably there are other factors that need to be considered and 1st and foremost, IMO, is the suitability of player in a system, formation utilised and style of play of the football.

That's why the German's and Italians, despite being lesser endowed in terms of player abilities as compared to teams like Brazil and Argentina, have had such success on the world stage.

Unfortunately, quality is not everything. The trick is in finding suitable quality.

And Barry is suitable for us..... he's just not as suitable as Xabi imo..... especially if we stop farting around this summer and get a pair of proper wingers for him to exploit.

To address your point on the number of English exports in the other leagues.... the answer to that is fairly simple.... The number of English managers in foreign lands is fairly small and rightly so.... there's not many of real quality these days. As such, the pull factor due to familiarity is non-existent. Spanish managers will scour for Spanish players. Italians for Italians. French for French. Portuguese for Portuguese and so on..... They are simply more familiar with those hunting grounds. Plus the English league (I think.... could be very wrong here) pay the highest wages on average in Europe..... So why should they leave? Also, English players and most Englishmen, are notoriously poor at learning a foreign language..... it is one of our great failings..... we arrogantly think that the world revolves around the English Language.

I guarantee you though..... should Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Ferdinand, Carra, Carrick, Terry, Ashley Cole be made available or expressed an interest in leaving England for the continent, there would be no shortage of suitors from those who could afford it.

Oh what is it with you English and the guilt trip over only speaking one bloody language. English is THE world language which is why everybody else who wants to do business at a serious international level learns English or employs translators.

[heimdall]

i would rather bring in the worlds best player who can play in a number of positions than tevez simple as that . The guy is the best there is simple as that , pace creativity , trickery , goals , assists , play him right left behind striker . It shows good football sense to want the best player in the world over anyone else at the club .

Well I guess we'll see tomorrow becuase against Chelsea he did absolutely feck all!
In my opinion Gerrard and Torres are far better players than Messi and I would put Ronaldo ahead of him as well.
I am fast coming to the conclusion that you don't actually watch games properly and that your entire footballing knowledge is actually based on copying other peoples views and then sticking to them like some kind of weird half-arsed dogma in the most narrow minded and blinkered way possible.