Liverpool FC Forum

[aCe']

Fair enough... we agree to disagree... on your bike lad...

i see you've been learning quite a bit from your boyfriend there...

we'll agree to disagree, you should have left it at that Cristina..

[GYBS]

Players of owens standard get spotted at school then go to lilleshall as a kid and get spotted at english schoolboys . players of owens standard stand out lakes and will always stand out .

[DrPepe]

Fair enough... we agree to disagree... on your bike lad...

muchacho en su bicicleta

[roberto green]

The reason that they have 6 points more than us is that they're only good at midfield, but upfront they have no less than 4 players who can provide goals, where as we only had one, with the company of a world class player like Gerrard. When these two were not available, we struggled.

we need Manchester's quality depth. Especially upfront.

I agree but don't if you know what I mean,

Yeah we still need another striker but just put it this way who was the highest scoring team in the premiership this season?

[woof woof !]

Don't know why so many are banging on about Alonso being a "defensive midfielder" , in my book he's a deep lying "playmaker"  who in that role is streets ahead of Barry . Barry however imo can play as an outright defensive midfielder more effectively than Alonso and is generally more versatile though not as creative as Alonso.

Would I swap Alonso for Barry ? No way, maybe the transfer talk of last summer gave him a necessary kick up the a'rse, he's had a great season for us and we should be holding on to players of his calibre. I wouldn't be unhappy if we signed Barry ( if the price was right , almost out of contract at Villa ? circa £10 million ? ) but not at the expense of losing Xabi. As mentioned earlier perhaps the ideal solution would be to ship out Lucas and use the cash towards the purchase of Barry.

[GYBS]

That would be the ideal solution woof but would barry come to us being a 4th choice cm ?? and with lucas we can progress him as well as spearing . where as barry is coming towards the latter stages of his career and development wise is limited.

[lakes10]

not again with the old english over foriegn players .

well its got to be that or our Give needs to look into the DNA pool and find out what happend 17 years ago to stop great English players being born.


just look at our youth set up, you need 5 translators to hold a training day.

watch the under 21 champs this year lakes and see which teams are the better teams techincally and skillfully - same with the under 20 world cup or the under 17 euros champs - the brazillians,italians,spanish,french are all better than the english counterparts - even some of the african nations are better .

do you know what happened all those years ago - english kids started playing more bloody computers and sport in schools suffered . english kids at any sport are not as good as countries around the world - as a sporting nation we are behind many nations. That could be down to schooling etc or the kids themselves just not being good enough .

you make a good point about the schools and PC's and xbox and stuff like that but if you get to talk to lower clubs like Grays and Southend you will understand how hard it is to get top clubs to come and view players now.

[woof woof !]

That would be the ideal solution woof but would barry come to us being a 4th choice cm ?? and with lucas we can progress him as well as spearing . where as barry is coming towards the latter stages of his career and development wise is limited.

Given the crop and quality of players we have now GYBS I believe the next two years will be our best chance in 20 years of lifting the premiership if we can just add a bit more quality to the squad . I don't have the faith that some others have in Lucas to suddenly flourish and as far as Spearing is concerned I just don't see the lad as ever being good enough to hold down a place in a title winning side .

Granted , signing a player like Barry may only be a short term fix but it wouldn't be the first time we've had one (eg McCallister  ) and if it brought us the title or another champions league trophy who's gonna complain ? .



ps . 4th choice cm ? Barry would get more than his fair share of games, don't think that will be a problem for him or us .

[tubby]

People are not looking at the big picture. We dont have a lot of money and need more quality in other positions we are not so strong in at the moment. Alonso can only play where he plays now and Barry can fill 3 positions so if you can have someone come in and do the job for half the money then why not take it? Of course I don't want Xabi to go but you cant have it both ways. We need strength in depth more than anything else.

[GYBS]

not again with the old english over foriegn players .

well its got to be that or our Give needs to look into the DNA pool and find out what happend 17 years ago to stop great English players being born.


just look at our youth set up, you need 5 translators to hold a training day.

watch the under 21 champs this year lakes and see which teams are the better teams techincally and skillfully - same with the under 20 world cup or the under 17 euros champs - the brazillians,italians,spanish,french are all better than the english counterparts - even some of the african nations are better .

do you know what happened all those years ago - english kids started playing more bloody computers and sport in schools suffered . english kids at any sport are not as good as countries around the world - as a sporting nation we are behind many nations. That could be down to schooling etc or the kids themselves just not being good enough .

you make a good point about the schools and PC's and xbox and stuff like that but if you get to talk to lower clubs like Grays and Southend you will understand how hard it is to get top clubs to come and view players now.

if you had to choose between looking at a kid from grays or a kid from barce which one would you pick ? if these kids are any good at grays or southend then they will stick out like a sore thumb - if they dont then they arent good enough sorry - and that makes no difference if they are english or not

[GYBS]

That would be the ideal solution woof but would barry come to us being a 4th choice cm ?? and with lucas we can progress him as well as spearing . where as barry is coming towards the latter stages of his career and development wise is limited.

Given the crop and quality of players we have now GYBS I believe the next two years will be our best chance in 20 years of lifting the premiership if we can just add a bit more quality to the squad . I don't have the faith that some others have in Lucas to suddenly flourish and as far as Spearing is concerned I just don't see the lad as ever being good enough to hold down a place in a title winning side .

Granted , signing a player like Barry may only be a short term fix but it wouldn't be the first time we've had one (eg McCallister  ) and if it brought us the title or another champions league trophy who's gonna complain ? .



ps . 4th choice cm ? Barry would get more than his fair share of games, don't think that will be a problem for him or us .

mcallister didnt cost us over 10 mil woof

[GYBS]

People are not looking at the big picture. We dont have a lot of money and need more quality in other positions we are not so strong in at the moment. Alonso can only play where he plays now and Barry can fill 3 positions so if you can have someone come in and do the job for half the money then why not take it? Of course I don't want Xabi to go but you cant have it both ways. We need strength in depth more than anything else.

which three positions are you thinking off ??

[Alex G.]

The question here is not Alonso vs Barry,

The question here is (according to the reports) that selling Alonso we can use the money and sign Tevez and Barry at the same time.

Of course, the ideal situation would be to have all of them but I fear that´s impossible.

Probably Alonso is better than Barry and we would suffer with his absence in any areas of the game, but with the acquisition of Tevez, it´s a bargain, we can´t pass up that opportunity .

[woof woof !]

That would be the ideal solution woof but would barry come to us being a 4th choice cm ?? and with lucas we can progress him as well as spearing . where as barry is coming towards the latter stages of his career and development wise is limited.

Given the crop and quality of players we have now GYBS I believe the next two years will be our best chance in 20 years of lifting the premiership if we can just add a bit more quality to the squad . I don't have the faith that some others have in Lucas to suddenly flourish and as far as Spearing is concerned I just don't see the lad as ever being good enough to hold down a place in a title winning side .

Granted , signing a player like Barry may only be a short term fix but it wouldn't be the first time we've had one (eg McCallister  ) and if it brought us the title or another champions league trophy who's gonna complain ? .



ps . 4th choice cm ? Barry would get more than his fair share of games, don't think that will be a problem for him or us .

mcallister didnt cost us over 10 mil woof

Whats your point ? F'ucks sake , you talk as though it was your money !

[GYBS]

That would be the ideal solution woof but would barry come to us being a 4th choice cm ?? and with lucas we can progress him as well as spearing . where as barry is coming towards the latter stages of his career and development wise is limited.

Given the crop and quality of players we have now GYBS I believe the next two years will be our best chance in 20 years of lifting the premiership if we can just add a bit more quality to the squad . I don't have the faith that some others have in Lucas to suddenly flourish and as far as Spearing is concerned I just don't see the lad as ever being good enough to hold down a place in a title winning side .

Granted , signing a player like Barry may only be a short term fix but it wouldn't be the first time we've had one (eg McCallister  ) and if it brought us the title or another champions league trophy who's gonna complain ? .



ps . 4th choice cm ? Barry would get more than his fair share of games, don't think that will be a problem for him or us .

mcallister didnt cost us over 10 mil woof

Whats your point ? F'ucks sake , you talk as though it was your money !

mc allister was great for us as he came in on a freebie and we got two great seasons out of him - paying 10 mil on barry for us to not improve overall would be a waste as that money could be better used to other players that can improve us and be a step forwards .

ie a short term fix on a free is good business - spending 10 odd million of a short term fix is wasting money that could easily be used elsewhere .