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[mkingdom]

I'd have Barry instead of Lucas.....that makes more sense. Then we have 3 quality mids, and Barry can also cover LM, and LB.

[Reg]

Correct me if I´m wrong, but I think its fair to say that Alonso was the first big signing Rafa made that worked out, also the first spanish signing that worked out, and his first injection of real skill and influence on the field that worked out.

Alonso was one of the foundation stones on which the current side was built. I am miffed that it appears he is leaving us for the wrong reasons and 3 seasons before his peak.

NOT happy.

[lakes10]

what was the report this morning on SSN about in fighting in the Liverpool squad, I missed it as i had to pop out for work. I can not find it on their website.

[GYBS]

and you forget an essential player for team that has achieved didly squat for how long and couldnt even qualify out right last time and has done nothing in major tournaments - being an england player doesnt say much these days

Are you serious? Are you questioning the greatness of the England national team?

Have you seen the kind of players that share dressroom with barry in the national team?

Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Rooney, Lescott, Walcott...

Do you really think that is not meritorious to be in that squad as essential part of it?

Once again i ask how well exactly have england performed over the years ?? nothing of any merit to write home about .

[DrPepe]

what was the report this morning on SSN about in fighting in the Liverpool squad, I missed it as i had to pop out for work. I can not find it on their website.

i caught it on the weekend - they mention arbs/carra and  xabi wanting to leave as their damning "evidence"  of a dressing room split

[ConnO'var]

and you forget an essential player for team that has achieved didly squat for how long and couldnt even qualify out right last time and has done nothing in major tournaments - being an england player doesnt say much these days

Are you serious? Are you questioning the greatness of the England national team?

Have you seen the kind of players that share dressroom with barry in the national team?

Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Rooney, Lescott, Walcott...

Do you really think that is not meritorious to be in that squad as essential part of it?

Once again i ask how well exactly have england performed over the years ?? nothing of any merit to write home about .

Flawed argument, mate.

Going by that, we've done diddly squat over the last 2 years.
Does that mean that Gerrard, Torres, Alonso and Masch being Liverpool players "doesn't say much these days"?  After all what exactly have we achieved over the last 2-3 seasons?

A good player is a good player..... in whatever team. There is more to how well or badly a team plays than just the quality of the players. Barry  is no Xabi but he is a good player.... that's why he's in the England squad.

[ConnO'var]

when did we drop the two holding midfielders ?? both xabi and masher played most of the games if fit ??

and an attacking midfielder we need is one that can float around .

Mate, do you actually watch the games? When it's all going on, do you kind of think about it? Do you compare and contrast which areas players are taking up from previous encounters you have witnessed, do you come to any conclusions about the whole thing or is it just kind of happening in front of you?

Now this is/was a reasonable thread. If you honestly think that we haven't become more attacking from the central midfielders viewpoint over the last few months, then there is little point in discussing the game with you mate, I mean come on .

Do we not normally play with both masher and xabi thou mick ? are they not both dms ? The fact they move a little more during the game is all dependant on how the game is going - but they are both still dms .

Yes.... by position, they are both DMs though I would class Xabi with the moniker of deep lying playmaker....

Doesn't mean that they both play the same role every game.
For example, that Samba fella in Blackburn's team is classed as a defender. Does that mean that when Big Sam chooses to play him as a lone striker, that Blackburn is set up as a 5-5-0?
Flawed argument methinks.

The last few games, we've definitely not set up with 2 holding midfielders.

[GYBS]

the difference is mate those players have performed against the highest opponents and proved themselves on the highest stage - wether that be international or cl or prem . barry imo hasnt .

[GYBS]

when did we drop the two holding midfielders ?? both xabi and masher played most of the games if fit ??

and an attacking midfielder we need is one that can float around .

Mate, do you actually watch the games? When it's all going on, do you kind of think about it? Do you compare and contrast which areas players are taking up from previous encounters you have witnessed, do you come to any conclusions about the whole thing or is it just kind of happening in front of you?

Now this is/was a reasonable thread. If you honestly think that we haven't become more attacking from the central midfielders viewpoint over the last few months, then there is little point in discussing the game with you mate, I mean come on .

Do we not normally play with both masher and xabi thou mick ? are they not both dms ? The fact they move a little more during the game is all dependant on how the game is going - but they are both still dms .

Yes.... by position, they are both DMs though I would class Xabi with the moniker of deep lying playmaker....

Doesn't mean that they both play the same role every game.
For example, that Samba fella in Blackburn's team is classed as a defender. Does that mean that when Big Sam chooses to play him as a lone striker, that Blackburn is set up as a 5-5-0?
Flawed argument methinks.

The last few games, we've definitely not set up with 2 holding midfielders.

i bet your bottom dollar that rafa has told them the same thing every game they go out on the pitch - " make sure you remember your prime role and dont forget to protect the back four one of you " the way those two have played over the last couple of seasons in my eyes hasnt changed . they have both sat back ,both gone forward , one sit one go forward all depending on the opposition and the way the game is going .

[stmichael]

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[ConnO'var]

the difference is mate those players have performed against the highest opponents and proved themselves on the highest stage - wether that be international or cl or prem . barry imo hasnt .

So before Torres came over from Madrid and played at the "highest levels" in Liverpool, he wasn't a proven commodity, right? What about Mascherano and Tevez when they were still with West Ham?

Quality shines through every time. Not all quality works out in England of course..... You'll always get the occasional Veron's, Morientes' etc.

[ConnO'var]

when did we drop the two holding midfielders ?? both xabi and masher played most of the games if fit ??

and an attacking midfielder we need is one that can float around .

Mate, do you actually watch the games? When it's all going on, do you kind of think about it? Do you compare and contrast which areas players are taking up from previous encounters you have witnessed, do you come to any conclusions about the whole thing or is it just kind of happening in front of you?

Now this is/was a reasonable thread. If you honestly think that we haven't become more attacking from the central midfielders viewpoint over the last few months, then there is little point in discussing the game with you mate, I mean come on .

Do we not normally play with both masher and xabi thou mick ? are they not both dms ? The fact they move a little more during the game is all dependant on how the game is going - but they are both still dms .

Yes.... by position, they are both DMs though I would class Xabi with the moniker of deep lying playmaker....

Doesn't mean that they both play the same role every game.
For example, that Samba fella in Blackburn's team is classed as a defender. Does that mean that when Big Sam chooses to play him as a lone striker, that Blackburn is set up as a 5-5-0?
Flawed argument methinks.

The last few games, we've definitely not set up with 2 holding midfielders.

i bet your bottom dollar that rafa has told them the same thing every game they go out on the pitch - " make sure you remember your prime role and dont forget to protect the back four one of you " the way those two have played over the last couple of seasons in my eyes hasnt changed . they have both sat back ,both gone forward , one sit one go forward all depending on the opposition and the way the game is going .

Disagree mate.

Though neither of us will know for certain, not being privvy to what's been said in the dressing room.

The games I've watched since the Madrid match, we've only had I holding DM. And that was Masch.

[GYBS]

the difference is mate those players have performed against the highest opponents and proved themselves on the highest stage - wether that be international or cl or prem . barry imo hasnt .

So before Torres came over from Madrid and played at the "highest levels" in Liverpool, he wasn't a proven commodity, right? What about Mascherano and Tevez when they were still with West Ham?

Quality shines through every time. Not all quality works out in England of course..... You'll always get the occasional Veron's, Morientes' etc.

Thats why i was saying they are proven mate where as barry isnt - they have all done it before and not just with us.

[GYBS]

when did we drop the two holding midfielders ?? both xabi and masher played most of the games if fit ??

and an attacking midfielder we need is one that can float around .

Mate, do you actually watch the games? When it's all going on, do you kind of think about it? Do you compare and contrast which areas players are taking up from previous encounters you have witnessed, do you come to any conclusions about the whole thing or is it just kind of happening in front of you?

Now this is/was a reasonable thread. If you honestly think that we haven't become more attacking from the central midfielders viewpoint over the last few months, then there is little point in discussing the game with you mate, I mean come on .

Do we not normally play with both masher and xabi thou mick ? are they not both dms ? The fact they move a little more during the game is all dependant on how the game is going - but they are both still dms .

Yes.... by position, they are both DMs though I would class Xabi with the moniker of deep lying playmaker....

Doesn't mean that they both play the same role every game.
For example, that Samba fella in Blackburn's team is classed as a defender. Does that mean that when Big Sam chooses to play him as a lone striker, that Blackburn is set up as a 5-5-0?
Flawed argument methinks.

The last few games, we've definitely not set up with 2 holding midfielders.

i bet your bottom dollar that rafa has told them the same thing every game they go out on the pitch - " make sure you remember your prime role and dont forget to protect the back four one of you " the way those two have played over the last couple of seasons in my eyes hasnt changed . they have both sat back ,both gone forward , one sit one go forward all depending on the opposition and the way the game is going .

Disagree mate.

Though neither of us will know for certain, not being privvy to what's been said in the dressing room.

The games I've watched since the Madrid match, we've only had I holding DM. And that was Masch.

which is what i was saying mate - the away game we had two and in the home game the game allowed one to step forward and they both took it in turns .

[Sabre]

and you forget an essential player for team that has achieved didly squat for how long and couldnt even qualify out right last time and has done nothing in major tournaments - being an england player doesnt say much these days

Are you serious? Are you questioning the greatness of the England national team?

Have you seen the kind of players that share dressroom with barry in the national team?

Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Rooney, Lescott, Walcott...

Do you really think that is not meritorious to be in that squad as essential part of it?

Once again i ask how well exactly have england performed over the years ?? nothing of any merit to write home about .

Flawed argument, mate.

Going by that, we've done diddly squat over the last 2 years.
Does that mean that Gerrard, Torres, Alonso and Masch being Liverpool players "doesn't say much these days"?  After all what exactly have we achieved over the last 2-3 seasons?

A good player is a good player..... in whatever team. There is more to how well or badly a team plays than just the quality of the players. Barry  is no Xabi but he is a good player.... that's why he's in the England squad.

Yes, he is a good player, I payed some attention to him this season.

But when I read in a previous page to Ace that he's at the same level, and that he's closer to the men in the wings..., and closer to the strikers... and better for attacking footbal... (with a lot of ...) in every sentence I laugh. Because his passing ability, his vision and his football skill are very far from Xabi's.

Perhaps we could do with Barry and strengthening other positions? Maybe, and Rafa knows about this game. But to compare Barry and Alonso is laughable.

It's a sad  that England hasn't better players than Barry and Carrick these days, because they're not certainly of the same league of Gerrard. England is not triumphing because of this, and because they don't have a Peter Shilton under the sticks. The media might overrate players like Barry as much as they want, you won't see big foreign clubs paying lots of money for the likes of Barry, that's good quality but not top quality.