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How have we stood still ?!


Just to highlight exactly how much injury issues we have


It’s bad enough commentators carrying in rhetoric thag we are finished and have stood still but when the fans join in ?



Surely people can see how much losing the three CB’s affects the way the team is set up

Van Dijks injury is totally out of the blue but not Gomez or Matip. They were always a big risk.  Ox and Keita are another two stinking the place out.

Yeah things might not have been so bad if Matip, gomez, ox and keita stayed fit but that was never going to happen. They wont be any better next year and they will still be here.

All our signings are based on value for money, none of them were superstars coming here so it's up to klopp to make them into that. They dont help him by scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for the next messi under 2 million quid with 20% up front and the rest in 5 years.

But but but we wont make any money till we get the super league we are so hell bent on pushing for   as bad as the glazers 

As a Man City fan pal of mine told me 'Liverpool played without passion'.

red till i die!! » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:47 pm wrote:Van Dijks injury is totally out of the blue but not Gomez or Matip. They were always a big risk.  Ox and Keita are another two stinking the place out.

Yeah things might not have been so bad if Matip, gomez, ox and keita stayed fit but that was never going to happen. They wont be any better next year and they will still be here.

All our signings are based on value for money, none of them were superstars coming here so it's up to klopp to make them into that. They dont help him by scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for the next messi under 2 million quid with 20% up front and the rest in 5 years.

But but but we wont make any money till we get the super league we are so hell bent on pushing for   as bad as the glazers 

Is Thiago not a superstar ? What about VVD ? Allison ?


Are people really starting to be critical of our recruitment now ?


What was a better signing Jota or Werner - which one was supposed to be the “superstar”


The club works to a model - one that has helped the club get back to the top - we can’t spend like City or Chelsea and we won’t put debt on the club like UTD so the club will always look to get the best value for the players.

What sort of player should we have signed in the summer and with what money ?

Thiago's best game was first first against Chelsea, he hasn't scaled those heights since. Hopefully he will again but the sooner the better,

We had the CB problem for each of the past 3 or 4 seasons now, so this is not even new. Every season we have to play one of Fabinho or Hendo at the back and still this issue was nit fixed. Even Lovren was the same before he left so losing him and not getting a replacement was a big miscalculation.

Every ambitious team will add to their depth and quality while at a position of strength but we reacted only at the very last hour, partly due to FSG not sanctioning the spending or due to Jurgen's ego/stubbornness. This season it bites us, not because the team turned to sh*t all the sudden but due to crazy injury and fatigue.

Scrap this season...qualify for CL and try to progress in this seasons competition, then we consolidate without those sicknotes. What good are they if they cannot be relied upon or unavailable for a prolonged period of time? Not time to get sentimental now

I don’t think defence has necessarily been the problem, we were top at Christmas with makeshift CB’s and conceding 1 against the likes of West Brom, Brighton, Burnley etc shouldn’t really be a major issue, any team who fancies themselves as genuine title challengers should be able to score 2 against teams in and around the relegation zone if the occasion calls for it. It’s the other end of the pitch where we have hit the buffers.
We struggle to create chances often having to wait an hour for a shot on goal and when we do create the odd gilt edged chance more often than not our strikers are missing them, Origi missed a sitter against Burnley at 0-0, Sadio missed a sitter in the first couple of minutes against Spurs, Mo missed a very good chance against Brighton and Sadio should have buried that header today.
When’s Jota back?

Hope the new cb's get settled into the team asap .

With them and Jota , it could give a good lift and drop wijnaldum

Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:47 pm wrote:

red till i die!! » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:47 pm wrote:Van Dijks injury is totally out of the blue but not Gomez or Matip. They were always a big risk.  Ox and Keita are another two stinking the place out.

Yeah things might not have been so bad if Matip, gomez, ox and keita stayed fit but that was never going to happen. They wont be any better next year and they will still be here.

All our signings are based on value for money, none of them were superstars coming here so it's up to klopp to make them into that. They dont help him by scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for the next messi under 2 million quid with 20% up front and the rest in 5 years.

But but but we wont make any money till we get the super league we are so hell bent on pushing for   as bad as the glazers 

Is Thiago not a superstar ? What about VVD ? Allison ?


Are people really starting to be critical of our recruitment now ?


What was a better signing Jota or Werner - which one was supposed to be the “superstar”


The club works to a model - one that has helped the club get back to the top - we can’t spend like City or Chelsea and we won’t put debt on the club like UTD so the club will always look to get the best value for the players.

What sort of player should we have signed in the summer and with what money ?

Thiago is world class and has been playing for a big club winning things. He has proven himself before he came here but none of the rest have. They all came from lower clubs to make it here which a few of them succeeded in, but plenty didnt.

Our recruitment is done by an exec with some algorithym and a laptop. Armed with a copy of fifa he sets out to save money by scouring the lower leagues all over europe to find someone the laptop says is on the up.

Your bigging up a player who we had for 2 months. Yes he's decent but so is Werner. Very early for both players to be hailed as any sort of success but hey Diogo is our player so Werner is shyte.

The club works to a model heavilly based on money ball tactics.

So what exactly is the Moneyball strategy? The foundation of this entire approach is the statistic on base percentage, overvalue, and undervalue. The Moneyball thesis is to get players from other teams that are undervalued and to get rid of players who demand high payment and/or are overvalued.Jun 6, 2018

. Does this not sound like us? Even though Henry carries a serious erection for Beane you will deny that any of this happens here.

The difference between you and me is that you love the owners more than the club. These are among the richest people in sports organisations but force austerity on the club. All thats important to them is the $$$$$$$. So much so that they want to pull the club from english football for the rewards of the super european league. They will say they need to do it to grow the club and people like yourself will trot that narrative across the forums.

What we should have done last season was move on the deadwood that's like a weight around our necks at the minute. But like you said yourself "with what Money" . It made better financial sense to keep them and that will always be the way. Finance first and Football after that.

1. Why does it matter where the player comes from ? Or indeed how much he cost

Andy Robertson cost £7mil from Hull - would prefer the club to have spent £50mil on someone else ?


2. Our recruitment is not done by “laptop” “FIFA21” and it’s pretty poor to dismiss an area that is clearly very successful- the recruitment team including scouts , coaches , manager spend months , days , hours searching for the right players to fit into the teams system and what the manager wants - and it works

3. Moneyball - what is it you think moneyball does ? Can you name the “moneyball” signings the club has made ? Milner and Matip will be the only two - if the club uses stats to help recruit players then so be it - again it’s working very well. Is there another method you believe we should use ?

4. Money - what does the owners personal fortune have to do with anything ? It’s also worth noting that a lot of their “fortune” is asset based. Are you one of those who turns their nose up at City spending billions yet want our owners to also spend their own money . They bought the club and from day one they outlined how they would run the club - self sufficient, the club standing on its own two feet - no debt to banks hanging on the club , no spending from someone’s pocket - the club spends what it earns.

Just look at the state of the club the months before they took over ? Large debt on the club , nowhere near winning any trophies let alone the league and CL. The club were light years behind the likes of UTD both on and off the club.

5. Which deadwood ? There is no doubt that the club would look to sell players no longer needed but a small thing made a huge affect and still does on the transfer market - the pandemic , the club will lose over £100mil , teams are losing money so are not spending - it’s not a computer game where players can be sold easily - you can only sell the players if people are buying

Some people need to have a look around and understand how the club work and also understand the level of issues we have had this year.

A lot of players are clearly on the slide, bar the odd performance here and there where he manages to turns back the clock Firmino has been below par for about 18 months.
As I mentioned in another post as well Mo and Sadio are still effective but they are not as dynamic and turbo charged as they once were, whenever they find themselves in a sprint with a fullback these days they make no ground up whatsoever, in fact when Jota first signed and was scoring goals for fun commentators and pundits were making the point that Jota was getting his reward for playing on the shoulder of the last man and making the type of runs in behind that Sadio and Mo used to but no longer do.
When we have opportunities to break these days players prefer to slow it down and wait for support rather than go for the jugular like we used to.
Obviously injuries are the cause of the majority of our woes this season, as I also said slide or no slide if we would have had Virgil, Joe, Jota, Thiago, Naby etc etc all season we’d probably be top now, we certainly wouldn’t be fretting about a top 4 place that’s for sure, but I do think a lot of our players have peaked and are on their way down the hill on the other side, I’m not saying they’re finished but they are clearly not the players they once were.

They are not “on the slide” - players do go out of form


One of the biggest issues with losing VVD is the high line that we played with him - his abs Gomez pace allowed rbe to stay very high which in turn pushed up the midfield to help support the front three - it also encouraged teams to break and try and breach that high line

Now because Henderson and Fabinho were there also with Matip we lost that pace so the CB’s play safe and drop deeper , that means the midfield drops deep which then means Bobby drops and the likes of Mané and Mo get isolated as well as the full backs beinf deeper as well


That affects the potency of the front three - you could see it yesterday when the players did break the back up was deep so they had little support

There is also a drop in confidence , energy levels on the mental side have dropped because of the level of injuries we have had

But let’s not start to write off the team just yet based on a dip caused by unprecedented level of injuries to key players

Alarm bells should be ringing fkg loud.

The club have woken up to find their XI has been run into the ground and they happily stood back during transfer windows and didn't reinforce positions, specifically RB/LB and up front. Bobby is a superb player, he had some magic touches last night but he's simply worn out. Trent can't get his crosses over knee height, slips of concentration are now letting players past him. Same with Robbo. How many times now is Trent giving the ball away? Even now I can't name a replacement, dedicated RB? The Greek is Robbos replacement but he looks out of his depth so he's not an effective replacement.

They're still great players but they're worn out and it will only get worse as the season progresses. We sat back again during this window, we kept our incompetent players who we knew we should have sold and failed to bring in suitable replacements. I hope we limp over the line in 4th, but it could just as easily be 7th.

I don't want to say we've imploded but when the players have blank expressions on their faces you know you have a serious problem.

Yep, the blank expressions on the players faces everytime we conceded was very worrying indeed. Last year when we conceded every player was shouting encouragement to switch on and stay focused. This year we're conceding goals and everyones heads to the floor looking defeated.

The players are shattered and it's because Klopp doesn't trust the fringe players to able to do a job.. So he continues to play the same 11 until they're run into the ground.

Injuries have crippled us this year.. But Klopp should have shown more faith in Phillips and Williams. If he knew he couldn't trust them then we should have bought CB's on the 1st of January when we were still top of the league.


I know FSG like to be clever when concerning money.. But it was clear for everyone to see what would happen if we didn't invest at the right time.. It happened with Karius in the UCL final, and history has repeated itself.