LIVERPOOL v Real Madrid CL FINAL 28/5/22 20:00 KO

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Postby damjan193 » Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:56 am

kazza » Tue May 31, 2022 6:52 am wrote:
damjan193 » Mon May 30, 2022 1:45 pm wrote:What needs to be said is that this season we were very poor against the top sides. We didn't get a single win against a top 4 side in the PL, managed to barely beat a mixed Man City team in the FA cup semis and although we did win against Milan and Atletico twice and against Inter once, I don't really think they're on the same level as the rest. We played in 3 finals this season, and although we won 2 of them, we faild to score a single goal in regular time in each of them. So that's zero goals in 3 finals this season!

What I'm trying to say is, something was defenitely not working for us when we played a top side. Although we looked like the better team in most of these encounters, we never managed to beat them. Apart from City, most of these teams knew we were better than them but found ways not to get beat, and Real unfortunately even found a way to win. Most of them went with the low block tactics and then try to get us on the counter. A good amount of the goals we conceded were when our defence was unsettled and out of position, running back towards our goal, while we were always up against a well organized, fully packed defence and we rarely had a chance to go at them on the counter. This happened against Real as well. For the most part we just passed around their formation, trying to find a way through, only to lose the ball and give them a chance for a quick counter attack against a defence that's out of position. This happened against the top sides before we played Real as well, so I feel we should have been ready for this and tweaked a few things. Maybe let the oppo have a bit of the ball for a change, try to get their defence out of position, instead of allowing them to constantly do that against us.

We still played a good season, won two titles, but it really is difficult to accept that we missed out on the two major trophies by the smallest of margins.

Good point, it reminded me of when we played Chelsea (Gerrard slip) where Rodgers was so high on who we were he never was able to change how we played to get a win. As you said, had we parked the bus a little and drew them out then hit them on the counter we could have won that match 3-0. We are a great side that controls the ball but we need to have a tactical plan B against these deep block team and passing them to death is not it because as we have found those teams exploit us and get that one chance that wins the match. Vinicius had one shot on goal and scored from it.

Here's what Ancelotti had to say about us:

"I think it helped that Liverpool were easier to decipher than the others because they have a very clear identity and we could prepare the way that we did.

"We knew what strategy to take, don’t give them space behind the defence to run into.

"Perhaps our football wasn’t extraordinarily beautiful tonight on an aesthetic level, but playing out from the back to incentivise their pressing wasn’t a great idea.

"We had a few more long balls, then when their press in our half of the pitch lessened, we got to control the ball more especially in the second half."

Like we said as well, they obviously knew what to do, and more importantly what not to do againat us. Waited for us to tire and then went for the quick knock out. They knew exactly what they needed to do against us since it was done so many times before the final by other teams.

I hate to compare this side to Rodgers' and even less so to compare Klopp to Rodgers, but you do have a point that there are some similarities especially how both refused to tweak their tactics a little bit in order to suit the game.
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Postby kazza » Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:54 am

Klopp is as honest a person as he is honest about his football, and we love him for that. Ancelotti is a seasoned veteran that single handedly won Real that title because they are not that good of a team and they beat a lot better teams along the way. Maybe any other team and we were winning it, including City. I guess it was the perfect storm for us.

A little irritated at Salah for calling out Real only to do nothing of note in the match. Just made their joy sweeter and gave them extra motivation to stop him. He had an average performance.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:49 pm

In truth Mo has been average since the African Nations Cup, his early season form was off the charts but he wasn’t the same player after January .
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Postby kazza » Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:28 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:49 pm wrote:In truth Mo has been average since the African Nations Cup, his early season form was off the charts but he wasn’t the same player after January .

Exactly the reason to keep his mouth shut
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Postby red till i die!! » Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:42 pm

Still gutted we lost this. How the fook did we let that happen given the experience we have. Trent is a veteran FFS and he plays like that  :angry:

I know our players were tired and it was a he'll of a season but I'm still going to vent about how Sh*t we were in Paris.
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Postby kazza » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:12 am

I agree, the last time we lost to them there was the Salah injury, Ramos, goalie meltdowns and as distasteful as it was, Real were a better team. This one hurts so much more as they were not better, we were far better but we still let them do a Burnley on us. It feels like we got scammed!
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Postby redshade » Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:33 am

I agree also adding that fairytale Sunday that collapsed in 7 mins or so just made it even worse. UCL was meant to remove that disappointment but sadly just increased it.
A lot of factors just make the UCL loss really hard to take.
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Postby devaney » Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:35 am

kazza » Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:28 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:49 pm wrote:In truth Mo has been average since the African Nations Cup, his early season form was off the charts but he wasn’t the same player after January .

Exactly the reason to keep his mouth shut


Totally agree. In some recent interviews he has come across as a right Billy Big BOLLUX which is a shame because I like Mo.
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Postby Reg » Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:53 am

The warm stuff is really hitting the fan now about Paris, the weight of evidence and media condemnation is overwhelming demonstrating that the French police, supported by the French government provoked the whole situation then tried to cover it up. Good comment in the paper this morning that UEFA shouldn't be conducting an independent report when they themselves should be under investigation for their part. It's very disappointing that LFC get dragged into all of this and of course that it has affected both our fans ability to get into the stadium to watch the game and the teams ability to win the game. Corruption at the highest level.
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Postby kazza » Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:44 am

MARTIN SAMUEL: UEFA's head of security Zeljko Pavlica is lucky no one is DEAD after three chaotic major finals under his watch… he and his close friend Aleksander Ceferin must resign NOW
Zeljko Pavlica has presided over three chaotic major finals in his first 14 months
Fans were crushed, robbed and gassed at the Champions League final in Paris
Staff confiscated medicines and water in searing heat at the Europa League final
Hooligans ran riot at Wembley ahead of the Euro 2020 showstopper last year
UEFA's head of security has put fans in mortal danger and he must leave his role
By MARTIN SAMUEL - SPORT FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:30 BST, 6 June 2022 | UPDATED: 01:23 BST, 7 June 2022

Zeljko Pavlica is UEFA's head of security. In 14 months since being awarded the role, he has presided over three chaotic major finals.

The 2021 European Championship final, in which hooligans ran riot and it was lucky no one died. The 2022 Europa League final, when stadium staff confiscated medicines and water in searing heat, the taps ran dry and concession stands ran out of supplies, and it was lucky no one died.

And the 2022 Champions League final, when fans were kettled, crushed, robbed, and gassed, and it was lucky no one died. You can't say he isn't consistent.

So, quite the record. But then Pavlica isn't just any incompetent. He's an incompetent who also happens to be a close friend and countryman of Aleksander Ceferin, the UEFA president.




The Champions League final was delayed due to commotion between Liverpool fans and police outside the stadium.

Pavlica was an external safety and security officer with UEFA in 2014, but two months after Ceferin became president he was given a full-time role, a position that had not been publicly advertised.

Again, no wider recruitment was ordered in February 2021 when he was promoted to his current position of seniority. Nice work if you can get it. And with the best man at his wedding also being president of UEFA, it seems Pavlica can.

Nor is he alone. Slovenia has become quite the hotbed of influence since Ceferin took over. Take refereeing. Since the 2016-17 season, Ceferin's first full year in charge, 12 different referees have been appointed to UEFA's major club finals. None from the Premier League, none from Belgium or Portugal, just one from Germany and Spain.

But Slovenian referees have led three finals, more than any other nation. The 2017 and 2022 Europa League finals, the 2019 Champions League final — all had Slovenian officials.

What a coincidence that the referees rising to prominence under Ceferin, should be those sharing his nationality. And what a coincidence that the best man to enforce security and ensure crowd safety at major UEFA finals should also be his good friend Pavlica.


Resign. That's what Pavlica should do. Ceferin, too. They have had their chance, this dream team, and it is lucky nobody is dead.

And it can be argued that local police are the ones who let hooligans run amok, and allow stewards to make stupid decisions to seize water bottles on entry, and that UEFA's head of security is largely powerless — but then what is the point of him at all?

Pavlica has previously spoken of reviewing match security in detail on the eve of the game, assessing access points and inspecting the stadium.

So what was his response when told how police were going to handle fans on arrival at the Stade de France? What did he say when told in the cauldron of Seville that water and medical supplies would be confiscated?

Shown the location of the Boxpark site in proximity to Wembley last summer, did he foresee the danger in letting so many fans without tickets invade the area? Did he not have questions, raise doubts, voice suspicions? This is incompetence on an extraordinary scale. One near-miss would be unacceptable. Three? How is he still in a job?

We can all guess the answer to that. Just as we can guess at why the person selected to investigate what went wrong in Paris is Dr Tiago Brandao Rodrigues, a member of the Portuguese parliament, and a close ally of Tiago Craveiro, who is a senior adviser to Ceferin at UEFA, having worked previously with the Portuguese Football Association. Liverpool are believed to be unimpressed.

Then again, so were Manchester City when one of UEFA's people sitting in judgment on financial fair play turned out to be former Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry.

Amazing how these jobs get around, isn't it? Did you know Michel Platini's son-in-law Yohann Zveig composed the original Europa League anthem? Out of all the composers in the world, they chose him? Fancy.

Manchester City were not happy former Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry sat on UEFA's investigation into their Financial Fair Play dealings

Still, nobody died. Not from Zveig's composing, or Slovenian officiating, or from handing investigation duties to the friend of a friend. This is just old-fashioned UEFA cronyism. Sickening, but not lethal.

Leaving Pavlica in charge of safety and security, however, is a different matter. He's had three failures so far. Do we dare risk a fourth? Should we even have to contemplate that?

Who do they answer to, these people? It can't just be each other. It can't just be their mates. UEFA are composed of member associations. Where are they in this? Where are the Football Association, the Spanish FA, the Scottish FA, the German FA? It is their supporters who have been left unprotected, their fans who have been treated with contempt.

Does nobody think it has gone too far? Is nobody prepared to make that call? If fans are placed in mortal danger on the watch of UEFA's head of security and safety, he should go. As should his patron. Three strikes, out. Why the silence?
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Postby Reg » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:28 pm

I support that call mate, they're jobs for the boys and UEFA officials don't have the week in, week out experience needed. Bin them all.
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Postby kazza » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:02 pm

Just proves that corruption and greed are ruining football
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