Liverpool FC Forum

[Tim LFC]

I was thinking with all this negativity of of dead wood staying and i agree they need to go but with this rule being applied Rafa has a chance to sell players and bring in money and demand from the owners about bringing in english or better players. For clubs like Man U they're already sorted. Arsenal hardly spend money and Chelsea can't sign anyone. This January or next summer is going to be our chance to sell players and we must! We've got to have 25 players so i hope rafa realises it's his chance to sell dead wood and bring in english players from the youth such Martin,Kelly,spearing eccleston and also go for english players liek Carton Cole, Perhaps derbyshire, Walcott etc just guessing though. But for me this is the point Rafa must make the right signings! We can't have 25 squad with only about 13 good players.

I just thought i'd share my view.

[GYBS]

Where would you like the money to buy these english players to come from ? which deadwood to sell
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English players prices are going to go through the roof - players like Walcott would prob go for 20 mill plus , Carlton Cole 15 mil plus etc.

Remember the rule doesnt mean they have to be english - they can be from anywhere but have to be part of the club for a number of years etc . Also for the majority of cases bar the top bunch the english players arent as good as their foreign counter parts.

This new rule is only platini's way to stop the english clubs being so dominatent in the CL and he may well do it and can see our league suffering with the best players maybe not coming to the prem anymore just like when we went through the euro ban .

This rule could well be a bad thing for us .

[Bammo]

Except it's not 8 English players, it's HOMEGROWN players. Any young player, of any nationality, who has been trained at a club for 3 years qualifies as homegrown. Don't expect any big sales or purchases.

A good idea screwed up by not making it English. Same old UEFA.

[lakes10]

Except it's not 8 English players, it's HOMEGROWN players. Any young player, of any nationality, who has been trained at a club for 3 years qualifies as homegrown. Don't expect any big sales or purchases.

A good idea screwed up by not making it English. Same old UEFA.

yep spot on.

[JoeTerp]

this rule has NOTHING to do with UEFA.

[JoeTerp]

the only signifiance is that we will probably sell either El Zhar or Degen or both in either January or next summer.  As we would say in America, "Whoop-D-freaking-do."   (somtimes said like 'friggin')

[Bammo]

this rule has NOTHING to do with UEFA.

If by NOTHING you mean it's based on UEFA's rule then you're correct.
UEFA outline

In line with UEFA ruling

As far as I can tell that's got quite a lot to do with UEFA since it's based on their ruling for the Champions League.

[The Good Yank]

I think the rule was put in to slow down, or curtail the English dominance of the CL.  The only reason the  "Club Trained" aspect was thrown in was to help the other European leagues keep their South American pipelines open.  I don't think it'll make much of a difference to the big 4 (or 5 or 6) in the English game.  It'll just mean that the big clubs will buy English players from the smaller clubs at an inflated price.  In turn you'll see alot more borderline foreign talent brought in by Hull, Wigan, Stoke etc.

[maypaxvobiscum]

the only signifiance is that we will probably sell either El Zhar or Degen or both in either January or next summer.  As we would say in America, "Whoop-D-freaking-do."   (somtimes said like 'friggin')

that will be a good time to see if rafa has any common sense as im sure its a no-brainer whom most of us would sell given the choice between those 2 you mentioned. 

[JoeTerp]

this rule has NOTHING to do with UEFA.

If by NOTHING you mean it's based on UEFA's rule then you're correct.
UEFA outline

In line with UEFA ruling

As far as I can tell that's got quite a lot to do with UEFA since it's based on their ruling for the Champions League.

no it has nothing to do with it. the PL meet together ON THEIR OWN and looked at a number of different plans. They were considering something like the football league rules, which has to deal with having players in the matchday squads, or  they could have decided not to do anything.

[JoeTerp]

I think the rule was put in to slow down, or curtail the English dominance of the CL.  The only reason the  "Club Trained" aspect was thrown in was to help the other European leagues keep their South American pipelines open.  I don't think it'll make much of a difference to the big 4 (or 5 or 6) in the English game.  It'll just mean that the big clubs will buy English players from the smaller clubs at an inflated price.  In turn you'll see alot more borderline foreign talent brought in by Hull, Wigan, Stoke etc.

where do you get that idea from? this is a PREMIER LEAGUE rule.

The CL rule had already been put in place, and it isn't curtailing anything.

[Bammo]

Yes the CL rule was in place by UEFA. Yes the PL set up their own rule completely independently.

and completely independently, with absolutely no regard to the UEFA rule they voted to make it THE SAME as the UEFA rule so that teams competing in the CL could use the same squads for both.

Legally they are separate bodies but the PL and the teams who voted in the rule decided to do it THE SAME as the UEFA ruling. So the UEFA decision had an impact on the PL rule change.

Had there been no UEFA ruling at all I'd bet the PL rules would differ slightly.

[JoeTerp]

that isn't something that can be known. Does it make logistical sense to line them up?  yes.

BTW, these UEFA rules also apply to Europa league teams, and lots of PL clubs are potential Europa league teams


and point of interest the PL rules are not as strict as the UEFA rules in that the PL makes no distiction between players trained at your own club and players trained at any other club in the country. Real world application, less pressure on the the smaller clubs with less resources to produce their own players from their own academies, but again we are talking about the 21-25th best players in a squad, not really going to make much difference either way

[Bammo]

If it was to work long term then it would have to be increased to force the inclusion of home grown players in the starting line up. The problem is that's against EU employment rules. At the moment it'll just be a different set of kids sat on the bench and never getting near the first team.

What always makes me wonder about the EU laws regarding football is this:

enforcing teams to have certain nationalities is illegal as it restricts the opportunity to work of other EU citizens....but...
players can only play for 2 clubs in a season. Surely that restricts their employment? Any other profession can have as many employers as they want in a year.

[lakes10]

heres a new spin on this i heard at the weekend, it was so i did not think about even posting it untill i was just talking to one of my mates and found there might be more to it so here it is.

there could soon be a move by a unnamed french team to go to the European Court of Justice in a bid to have the to have the term english club , french club, (you get the idea) clarified.
as it still stands it is clarified as a english club from england using English players...and so on french club based in france.

the point of what they are doing that that most top English club should not be called English, if you make champagne made from grapes in kent you can not call it champagne.
they are trying to get it chaged to European clubs, so we would no longer be called an english club and it would not be called the english prem
if they win this could open loads of .
the Scots would have a bigger case to play in the Prem. this could also mean any club could try to get into say  La Liga .

this would also mean that no home rule comes into play in the CL draw.
if they dont with what they will ask is for it to be clarified that an English, freanch, spanish club is made up of player born in that place.

the cae looks set to cost around 6mil so as it stands it not going ahead yet, but theres lots of press that think it will not be that long til it happens.


in a way i would loved to go back to the old days when our team was made up of UK players, but keep in mind that our best teams have had loads of scots in them lol, if the rule comes into play will will only be able to buy english born players............not a bad thing right now as i can not think of many good scotish players lol.