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[stmichael]

Three significantly improved league performances in a row I've counted. That at least gives cause for some degree of optimism. Before we can say we've definitively turned the corner, however, that will have to become the norm. We should know because last season reinforced that message more than any other.

We still need to perform to a decent level away from home consistently though. Spurs aside, we've been dire away from home.

There definitely has been an improvement in recent games though. It's interesting actually. Since the manager has had less players to pick from we've actually seen a more consistent style of play.

[Thommo's perm]

Im sorry but how have I made it clear ? Because I still have reservations which have yet be squashed by the manager ? Once again its nice to see you can't have an opinion of the manager without someone coming up with a statement like " no matter what he does " . So far he hasn't done enough and it's still not enough . If he did win prem then I would be as happy as the next person and he would earn all the praise in the end . But the chances of that happening currently are paper thin .

sorry benny, i forgot the "lol" in my post so it reads a bit harsh on you.
look i was ready to shot down Roy just as mush as most members on this forum when we were looking like , but i have got to say that in the last 4 games i can see that we are starting to look better, god hell yes our away forum is shocking....but hey thats nothing new is it (looking back to last year) but the spurs game did look like we should have won it.

GYBS is right.
He has not made it clear that even if Roy was to go on and win the fa cup and the prem this year he would still not like him and think we could do better.
He has however made it very clear on many occassions that he thinks our manager is not the right man for the job or good enough to manage LFC.
He tells us that he will give praise if we win the prem "in the end" but not presumably before that.
He has also shown he has very little faith in Roy with his "paper thin" comment

[LFC2007]

If he did win prem then I would be as happy as the next person and he would earn all the praise in the end . But the chances of that happening currently are paper thin .

[Benny The Noon]

My apologies that should read " earn all the praise in the world "

[Thommo's perm]

My apologies that should read " earn all the praise in the world "

Accepted
Be more careful in future please

[crazyhorse]

Having thought about this for the last few weeks, and reflecting on the start we have made and the changes in tactics and approach I can now begin to see that the team are getting used to what Roy wants from them. At the moment it is still hit and miss, and we lack a little consistency, but Roy is starting to get the best out of players such as Maxi, and his tactics are starting to come through. Against Villa there were definate periods when we played good, expansive passing football and we looked very good. We are not there yet but I can see it coming.
I have since he came banged the drum for Roy, and always said that the time was needed to get the players to unlearn the negative approach shown by Rafa for the last few years. I believe that we are starting to see it happening.
The season is nearly half gone. I think we are slightly ahead of where I expected us to be. What is now crucial is January. There is still a chance of pushing for the top four if we get a couple of players in.

[maguskwt]

If and when we are challenging for the 4th place, he will have my support. Despite the improvements in our performances we are actually falling further away from the 4th place in terms of points...

[Waldo]

If and when we are challenging for the 4th place, he will have my support. Despite the improvements in our performances we are actually falling further away from the 4th place in terms of points...

The reality is that because the league is the way it is this year with all team regularly dropping points we are still in touch with the top 4/6 and if we can buy well in January then we are absolutely in with a chance.

[laza]

While we have certainly been fortunate with other teams in the league dropping points. We also had the major distraction when ridding ourselves of those leech owners.

My expectations were lowered as soon as we had a mangerial change and thats regardless of whoever got the job.

So im pretty happy at moment, I dont see while we cant challenge for a CL place in second half season though obviously the away form is biggest concern

[Roger Red Hat]

and always said that the time was needed to get the players to unlearn the negative approach shown by Rafa for the last few years.

I never thought of it that way to be honest. Maybe it isn't Roy that is negative, maybe the players started this season with that mindset carrying over from last season. It's taking time but Roy seems to be getting the best from individuals and on a whole the attitude of the team seems to be evolving into a more positive one with every passing week. This weekend vs the barcodes will be crucial we get a win.

[Thommo's perm]

and always said that the time was needed to get the players to unlearn the negative approach shown by Rafa for the last few years.

I never thought of it that way to be honest. Maybe it isn't Roy that is negative, maybe the players started this season with that mindset carrying over from last season. It's taking time but Roy seems to be getting the best from individuals and on a whole the attitude of the team seems to be evolving into a more positive one with every passing week. This weekend vs the barcodes will be crucial we get a win.

Its called the "magic wand theory", where someone walks in and waves it and things change overnight.
It was (is) always going to take time and thankfully Roy has a bit of breathing space thanks to recent performances.

[Benny The Noon]

IF we see the same set up and mentality away from home then we can easily climb the table and grab 4th spot and Hodgson will of done a good job . Its a big IF though going by what we have seen away from home so far . Still a long way to go yet .

[tubby]

and always said that the time was needed to get the players to unlearn the negative approach shown by Rafa for the last few years.

I never thought of it that way to be honest. Maybe it isn't Roy that is negative, maybe the players started this season with that mindset carrying over from last season. It's taking time but Roy seems to be getting the best from individuals and on a whole the attitude of the team seems to be evolving into a more positive one with every passing week. This weekend vs the barcodes will be crucial we get a win.

Its called the "magic wand theory", where someone walks in and waves it and things change overnight.
It was (is) always going to take time and thankfully Roy has a bit of breathing space thanks to recent performances.

Your talking about a man whos total wins away from home can be counted on 2 hands, or is it 1 even?

I'll reserve praise for him once he shows some balls away from home insetad of asking Carra to hoof it.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Its called the "magic wand theory", where someone walks in and waves it and things change overnight.
It was (is) always going to take time and thankfully Roy has a bit of breathing space thanks to recent performances.

So if Pardew inspires Newcastle to up their game considerably at the weekend .... that wont be down to him firing them up to produce such a performance  ?..... Ok... just so we're clear on that
its not the managers fault unless he happens to be loathed like previous managers is that correct ?  .... you can understand me just clarifying that cant you ? ... I knew it wouldn't be Roy's fault how could that be  possible , I mean for the first few away games he could only have seen his face in his shoes   how could he have had any influence on the players turgid cowardly  play if he didn't look up long enough   
Listen I think the game away at St James will be a true measure of whether we have progressed, and the manager is actually capable of  changing  his stubborn approach to games and sustaining the attacking philosophy used at Spurs consistently  ..... I also believe  the fact there still  exists a feeling of apprehension amongst the supporters ,  whenever an away game is on the horizon is testament to the lack of any trust in the managers ability to actually improve us ..............  6 wins ,4 draws,6,losses and we have conceded 13 goals away from home .... lets just say its hardly the points tally of a upwardly mobile club ...so before everyone gets a tad over excited lets not forget where we are and where for that matter to our abject horror we have  been ,and while your about it think of who took us to them depths and why .... then think of who we are and the quality of player we should be attracting ...then think of Poulson and Konchesky these are the players the manager deems good enough for this great club .......
I actually think the football is coming together and the team is starting to take shape ... but if its colours nailed firmly to the mast that your looking for then look no further .... I simply don't trust the man and he's burnt far too many bridges this season ... and for that reason alone the gap between him and fans is simply too vast to try to mend ... and every minute he spends at this great club is simply 55 seconds too much ......
too brutally honest ......what do  you think ?
If Roy manages the miracle of winning the match going  fans over, then he can truly covet that result more than winning the prestigious  LMA  in fact you can place that on a par with the parting of the Red Sea in terms of miracles

[Thommo's perm]

and always said that the time was needed to get the players to unlearn the negative approach shown by Rafa for the last few years.

I never thought of it that way to be honest. Maybe it isn't Roy that is negative, maybe the players started this season with that mindset carrying over from last season. It's taking time but Roy seems to be getting the best from individuals and on a whole the attitude of the team seems to be evolving into a more positive one with every passing week. This weekend vs the barcodes will be crucial we get a win.

Its called the "magic wand theory", where someone walks in and waves it and things change overnight.
It was (is) always going to take time and thankfully Roy has a bit of breathing space thanks to recent performances.

Your talking about a man whos total wins away from home can be counted on 2 hands, or is it 1 even?

I'll reserve praise for him once he shows some balls away from home insetad of asking Carra to hoof it.

I am not praising him, and if his instructions are to hoof it, play sh'ite and be negative then he deserves criticism.
The players need to take more responsibility and be more confident and believe in their ability. This seems to be happening and hopefully it will continue. As GYBS says in his usual stating of the obvious, theres still a long way to go yet...