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As i said in another thread St Mike some people will always find a way to have a dig at kuyt in every thread no matter what he does for the club - its inbred into some people and spoils threads

[metalhead]

My ratings:

Reina: 8.  Has broadly done well, but has made a few errors which means it hasn't been his very best season for me. Still a top goalkeeper though.

Arbeloa: 7. He gets the same score in every match, which is a seven. As consistent as you like, and a good pro. Deserves better than Carra standing over him looking like he's going to blow a gasket. I like him.

Carra: 8. Still our best defender by a mile which is worry as he's clearly not quite what he was a year or two back. Decent season though from our spiritual captain.

Skyrtel: 6.5. Has had good games, and continues to impress with his ball carrying ability which is oddly good for a centre half. My fear is though that he will never reach his full potential because of his ball watching affliction, and I suspect if we're serious about being a top team we'll need better.

Aurelio: 6.5. Has proven beyond doubt that he's a smashing left full back when fit, and my suspicion is that if he ever puts in a full season he'll go past evra as being the best left back in the league. Sadly, my suspicion is also that the hopes of him going a full season without injury are slim.

Dossena: 4.5. A mile away from being good enough IMHO.

Insua: 5.5. A lot to learn and doesn't appear to have the tools to develop into a World beater, but the role of good solid back-up looks to be well within his compass.

Deggan: 1. To be perfectly honest if he walked in the shop tomorrow and bought a blow up doll I wouldn't recognise the fella. He may already have done so for all I know, it's not like he'd be missed at Melwood or anything. That said and in all seriousness, I feel a bit sorry for the bloke. I am as well begining to get quite curious to see if he will ever be fit enough to actually play.

Agger: 6. Lovely footballer but as by all accounts he's been hanging out with dreamers in Gangsters, or is it hanging out with gangsters in dreamers feck knows, he'll never get to where he can be. I rate him higher than Skyrtel, but I have a feeling he is still short of where he was until his injury/someone broke his feet. Probably just needs a good kick up the b0ll0cks, most young fellas need that from time to time.

Riera: 6.5. As mentioned previously, he's flattered to decieve a bit. Good player though and hopefully he can kick on next season.

Babel: 4. At risk of being "shtopped" in my tracks by a host of Babelians, I have to say he's lucky to get a 4. He has gone backwards apace.

Alonso: 9. Would walk into any other team in the Premiership, has had an immense season and has well and truly put to bed any notion anyone had that he was playing abnywhere near his best in the last two seasons. Has been like a new player, and how those TV clowns can rate Michael Carrick as better than him is an indictment on their knowledge of assocation football.

Masherano: 7.5. It's been the difficult second album period for Mash. IMHO he needs to rediscover what it is he's actually trying to do, I don't like the way he's going about his business. One of these days I'll start a new thread on him and explain what I mean, it'll have a long topic opener, nobody will bother their erse reading it (I don't blame them) and all will be good with the World.

Kuyt: 7.5. Maximised his potential, and his goals have covered up for some of his other deficiencies. He runs around a lot, and is an integral part of the team. Fair play to him, and he's proved many a poster wrong, including me. I'm not sure I buy into the theory which says if the Mancs sell Ronaldo he'll be the best right midfieler in the Premiership, but he's definately in the top six or seven.

Lucas: 5. It's looking to me like he will make a footballer, but i don't think it'll be in the Prem. that said, he isn't a bad fourth choice.

Gerrard: 9.5. Absolutely imperious, the best player in the Premiership this season. I would have given him a 10, but he got injured a couple of times.

Torres: 8.5. Would be a 9.5 but for the injuries. An absolutely wonderful player.

Benayoun: 7. An excellent second half of the season and is the original 'options and Possibilitis" player. Unfortunately for him, I don't think he can count "first team regular" amongst his long list of options, and nor do I think it's particularly possible either.

N'Gog: 5. I don't think he's nearly good enough.

Keane: 5. Impossible to rate really as he wasn't given a good go. Clearly we paid too much for him, and equally clearly the fairly revolutionary method of helping a player to settle, namely each time you score two goals we'll drop you, still needs a bit of work. Based on his performaces though, he is barely level with N'Gog, despite obviously being a much better player.

Anyways there you go.

I would give Aurelio a 7, Benayoun an 8.

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I doubt he has put the effort in that gerrard has

I can assure you that Kuyt has put as much effort into every game as Gerrard has and a little bit more on many occassion; that I have no doubt.

[metalhead]

I doubt he has put the effort in that gerrard has

I can assure you that Kuyt has put as much effort into every game as Gerrard has and a little bit more on many occassion; that I have no doubt.

Kuyt scored 25 goals this season, so I agree

[Owzat]

As i said in another thread St Mike some people will always find a way to have a dig at kuyt in every thread no matter what he does for the club - its inbred into some people and spoils threads

Any feint praise for Kuyt is often followed up with a "but we need a quality RM" or some such counterbalance to the praise. Even in a poll for best striker there had to be a dig, without Kuyt raising his game this season we'd probably be fighting with Arsenal for 3rd/4th.

There are a handful of players I would be loathe to not have start regularly/as much as possible next season - Reina, Kuyt, Gerrard, Alonso, Torres and Carragher. Aside from Mascherano left out of that list for tactical reasons, I don't feel we need a DM in EVERY game, the rest have not performed to the same standard consistently. Hopefully one of Skrtel and Agger will make the CB position their own, hopefully Arbeloa and Aurelio will become more dependable defensively to go with their attacking abilities, and hopefully Riera will add a bit more end product to his game.

And a special mention for Benayoun who has filled in well and done well off the bench, he is not far off that list bar the fact there aren't too many places to stick him bar on the left and I'm not sure that is his best position.

That said the back four haven't shipped lots of goals this season, by luck or by judgement is a matter of opinion, but the team has collectively taken us to a new level in terms of the Premiership and just need a signing or two to take us to the next level which should be the summit.


Here is one additional comment, arguably our best XI this season was available last season. If you put in Benayoun on the left.............

GK Reina
RB Arbeloa
LB Aurelio
CB Carragher
CB Agger/Skrtel/Hyypia
RM Kuyt
LM Benayoun
DM Mascherano
CM Alonso
AM Gerrard
CF Torres

That's not to say our XI is perfect by any means, but maybe Rafa can do better next season in the transfer market. Riera wasn't a bad signing, nor was N'Gog (£1.5m), but perhaps with a bit better buying last summer we might have bridged the gap - don't forget Rafa spent around £40m and none of those signings started the last game, just two sub appearances between them in the last two games.

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I doubt he has put the effort in that gerrard has

I can assure you that Kuyt has put as much effort into every game as Gerrard has and a little bit more on many occassion; that I have no doubt.

According to some that is ALL Kuyt offers (effort), so now they're are even trying to take that away from him. I reckon Gerrard could stand in the middle of the pitch, petulantly waving his arms about and moaning a la Ronaldo and STILL wouldn't be criticised by some fans. Kuyt miscontrols the ball a few times in a game and he's public enemy #1

Maybe that was peewee's mum who was exposing her *cough* at Kuyt in that clip that's been on here a few times! 

[aCe']

Get a grip ffs !

[bigmick]

Yes there's one or two silly comments on here for some reason. Why can't people just give their ratings, and if they disagree with someone elses, offer an opinion why?

I personally couldn't give a feck if some people think Kuyt has the same rating as Gerrard, I shouldn't think Gerrard is overly bothered about it either. It's daft obviously but they're entitled to their opinion. Equally though, somebody is entitled to question that opinion without some of the comments which have followed.

[GOAT]

Whats with everyone giving insua a sh.it score I thought he'd been great this season

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Reina : Best in the Premiership, consistently good ,sadly genius is as they state  so often tinged with madness ,this would account for his     unpredictability in some high profile games .

Arbeloa : Strange one this, played at times this season with all the accomplishment you would expect from a Liverpool defender ,but tended to lose concentration in the latter stages of the season .

Aurelio proven to be a big plus in an attacking sense ,but defensively has some serious lapses of concentration ,no conviction in his tackling .

Carragher : Mr 100% will not give any less nor accept anything more than total devotion to the club (Take note Alvaro )I think the climax to the season physically drained Jamie .

Skrtel : Excellent before his injury ,returned a bit shaky ,but I believe the big Slovak will add more to his game next season and be an integral part of Liverpool's game .
Hyppia : In the games he has played done everything right should have been given more games ,once again the model professional (Legend)
Agger : Needs to put this season firmly behind him ,more a season of transgression rather than progression,has all the talent and composure needed to be one of the games greats .

Insua : Has had to curb his enthusiasm for surging forward ,and applied himself solely on the defensive side of his game ,and in having to adapt to this ,has quelled  the skills  which make him such a burgeoning talent ,but has proved an able deputy for Fabio

Dossena : His crosses have been exceptional ,pity his glaring ineptitude when defending has defined his game

Degan : I can only proffer one viable explanation, He's Rafa's Ski instructor.

Alonso : Imperious there is is not a single exponent of the Midfielders art ,who can claim to be as accomplished and as polished as Xabi ,close to perfect this season .

Mascherano : On his game deserves the tag Chief ,not consistent enough this season ,but a true midfield General following in the finest traditions

Gerrard : See Alonso, run out of superlatives for this man best Midfielder in Europe ,if not the world .

Lucas : Man of the Match in the Liverpool Echo yesterday ,and deserved it by some margin ,shown glimmers of true potential ,but seriously needs to raise his game next season ,not good enough this season ,and cost us a few points  with his naivety .

Kuyt : Could  not praise his fortitude and application enough ,the mans a veritable dynamo on the pitch ,who could quite easily supply the energy and power to run a small country ,delighted he's a Liverpool player .

Riera : Times this season has been totally unplayable ,looked every inch the obligatory mercurial winger ,and in others failed to show up literally ,needs to seriously raise the consistency of his game .

Babel : His demeanour on and off the pitch says it all (LOST) totally out of his depth as a winger and struggling to even resemble a competent Striker .

Benayoun : provides us with the air of unpredictability ,there is nothing a defender hates more than a player with the capabilities to twist and turn with consummate ease ,and Yossi has this in spades .

El Zhar : decent little player ,quick and tricky ,but needs to show more confidence .

Torres : Best in the World ,was born to score ,but his first touch at times is the source of much exasperation , if next season he adds this to his game Liverpool will be unbeatable ,I just wish the Euro's hadn't drained him and left him so susceptible to injury .

Keane : I thought his game suffered from the expectancy levels ,I think too much thought was put into his converting chances ,  , Liverpool needed a striker who scored instinctively ,Keane was a thinker ,and I think although he stated publicly that the pressure wasn't   getting to him ,it quite clearly was .

Ngog : Shown true potential and no little skill ,but at this present time still too raw to be in our frontline  .

I haven't given a number as a rating ,its not something I am comfortable with ,I don't see how a number can define a players performance over the course of a season ...... (Too many pros and cons )

Purely for the sake of the thread here are my ratings in no particular order
3.
6.
6.
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9.
4.
8.
6.
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9.
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6
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8.
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Who deserves what  ? you decide who merits the marks 


 

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Maybe that was peewee's mum who was exposing her *cough* at Kuyt in that clip that's been on here a few times! 

you should hope you never get to meet me you f*cking piece of sh*t, what the f*ck does my mum have to do with this discussion?

[GYBS]

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I doubt he has put the effort in that gerrard has

I can assure you that Kuyt has put as much effort into every game as Gerrard has and a little bit more on many occassion; that I have no doubt.

The yardages ran during games show differently, but then again Gerrard makes it look effortless so maybe your perception is kuyt puts more in, next even you will be telling us kuyt is as good as gerrard

[112-1077774096]

at least I won't reach for the pill bottle depressed about it eh?

just shows your lack of class if you think it's funny to abuse peoples parents

[GYBS]

coming from the person who is happy to abuse people because they have an illness - pot this is kettle im black .