Liverpool FC Forum

[tubby]

Stadium stadium stadium. Until we get that we can never expect to compete with the rest on all levels. Thanks for posting that though. Really puts in perspective how much work needs to be done both on and off the pitch if we want to remain amongst the big boys.

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

and to think we`ve on about it for 10 years and where still no nearer to getting it built, fooking criminal how this club has ended up as it is today.

[fivecups]

Interesting German site that estimates the market value of each player at each club. Relates a bit to a thread Crazyhorse started recently. Clearly subjective and open to much disagreement but just trying to put numbers in one place, plenty of other threads for discussion etc.

1. Chelsea FC 388.440.500 £
2. Manchester United 333.082.500 £
3. Liverpool FC 286.001.500 £
4. Arsenal FC 270.560.000 £
5. Manchester City 226.950.000 £
6. Tottenham Hotspur 198.826.000 £
7. FC Everton 168.655.000 £
8. Aston Villa 142.444.500 £

[Penguins]

This just shows that we have been punching above our weight for quite awhile with those wages and attendances.

[heimdall]

This just shows that we have been punching above our weight for quite awhile with those wages and attendances.

I am surprised that we are on a par with Manure as regards commercial though, that is very good news. If we can just get the new stadium built then we should be able to match them. Need new owners with deep pockets asap.

[fivecups]

Comparison of PL clubs spend from 2004-current. Amazingly Arsenal maintain a positive balance for this period. Obviously during this time they financed and built a new stadium and will now reap the benefits of that, whilst maintaining their standing as a top club as evidenced by this season. Remarkable. We maintain our usual position of fourth. Figures from transmarkt.com. Again, I wouldn't consider them top quality (I think they may suffer from variation in Euro to sterling values), but they give some measure to compare clubs.


2004-2009/10  Sales  Gross spend  Net Spend
1 MC 96,689,600 359,626,750 -262,937,150
2 CH 160,413,600 416,764,750 -256,351,150
3 TH 181,137,250 375,660,100 -194,522,850
4 LV 184,100,060 313,954,620 -129,854,560
5 AV 52,438,800 160,805,200 -108,366,400
6 MU 176,113,200 263,796,000 -87,682,800
7 AR 154,450,600 135,676,050 18,774,550

Comparison over the past 2 seasons. Interesting shift whereby the more established clubs net spends have been neglible or even negative.

2008-2009/10  Sales  Gross spend  Net Spend
1 MC 48,927,750.00 271,138,500.00 -222,210,750.00
2 AV 23,024,300.00 94,518,000.00 -71,493,700.00
3 TH 99,546,500.00 162,692,000.00 -63,145,500.00
4 CH 42,688,850.00 52,554,500.00 -9,865,650.00
5 LV 86,111,950.00 82,082,999.98 4,028,950.03
6 AR 63,635,000.00 44,633,500.00 19,001,500.00
7 MU 99,159,350.00 64,658,500.00 34,500,850.00

[fivecups]

This just shows that we have been punching above our weight for quite awhile with those wages and attendances.

I am surprised that we are on a par with Manure as regards commercial though, that is very good news. If we can just get the new stadium built then we should be able to match them. Need new owners with deep pockets asap.

I think we're almost in the realms of sugar-daddies for that to happen quickly Heimdall. In this economic climate there is no way we can finance (effectively get a mortgage) for a new stadium with £237 million of debt already on the club. So we need someone to come in and put in their OWN money to buy the club and cancel out that debt before we can raise capital for a new stadium. Realistically, there's probably not going to be a quick fix.

[Penguins]

What we need are owners who doesn't think football clubs are money making machines and accept the fact that it cost some to win some.

[fivecups]

France Football, which has ranked the best-paid players since 1999, calculated the figures based on salary and endorsements.
List in full:
1. Lionel Messi (Barcelona) £29.6m
2. David Beckham (LA Galaxy) £27.3m
3. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) £26.9m
4. Kaka (Real Madrid) £16.9m
5. Thierry Henry (Barcelona) £16.2m
6. Ronaldinho (AC Milan) £15.4m
7. Carlos Tevez (Manchester City) £13.8m
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Barcelona) £13m
9. Frank Lampard (Chelsea) £12.7m
10. Samuel Eto’o (Inter Milan) £12.4m

[fivecups]

From Ciggy (updated by fivecups from lfchistory.net) Player transfers since the 'owners' took over.

In

Lucas Leiva £5,000,000
Krisztián Németh Undisclosed
Mikel San José Domínguez £270,000
Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Fernando Torres £20,200,000
Andriy Voronin Free
Yossi Benayoun £5,000,000
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje Undisclosed
Emiliano Insúa £1,300,000
Lauri Dalla Valle £600,000
Martin Skrtel £6,500,000
Javier Mascherano £18,600,000
Philipp Degen Free
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David N'Gog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000
Albert Riera £8,000,000
Glen Johnson £17,500,000
Alberto Aquilani £17,100,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos £2,000,000
Daniel Ayala £160,000
Maxi Rodriguez Free
Jonjo Shelvey £1,700,000
Milan Jovanović Free
Joe Cole Free
Danny Wilson £2,000,000
Fábio Aurélio Free
Christian Poulsen £4,550,000
Brad Jones £2,300,000
Raul Mereiles £11,500,000
Paul Konchesky £3,500,000

Total In: £172.08m

Out

Florent S.-Pongolle £2,700,000
Daniele Padelli Returns from loan
Danny O' Donnell £100,000
Boudewijn Zenden Free
Jerzy Dudek Free
Robbie Fowler Free
Luis Garcia £4,000,000
Djibril Cissé £6,000,000
Craig Bellamy £7,500,000
Mark Gonzalez £3,500,000
Gabriel Paletta £1,200,000
Chris Kirkland £3,500,000
James Smith Free
Mohamed Sissoko £8,200,000
Lee Peltier Free
John Arne Riise £4,000,000
Harry Kewell Free
Anthony Le Tallec Undisclosed
Peter Crouch £11,000,000
Danny Guthrie £2,250,000
Scott Carson £3,250,000
Steve Finnan Undisclosed
Robbie Keane £16,000,000
Jack Hobbs Undisclosed
Paul Anderson £250,000
Astrit Ajdarevic Free
Sebastian Leto £3,000,000
Jermaine Pennant Free
Miki Roque Free
Álvaro Arbeloa £3,500,000
Xabi Alonso £30,000,000
Andrea Dossena £4,700,000
Andriy Voronin £1,800,000
Nikolay Mihaylov £1,500,000
Mikel San José Domínguez £2,600,000
Fábio Aurélio Free
David Martin Free
Yossi Benayoun £6,000,000
Albert Riera £3,300,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,000,000
Krisztián Németh £1,000,000
Javier Mascherano £17,250,000
Lauri Dalla Valle £750,000
Alex Kacaniklic £750,000
Damien Plessis Panathinaikos Undisclosed

Total Out: £152.6m

Net Spend: £19.48m

[fivecups]

From Ciggy (updated by fivecups) - Player transfers in 2010 to date:

PLAYERS OUT 2010 (£42.65m)

08.01.2010   Andrea Dossena   Napoli   £4,700,000 
10.01.2010   Andriy Voronin Dinamo Moscow £1,800,000 
04.02.2010   Nikolay Mihaylov   FC Twente   £1,500,000
19.05.2010   Mikel San José Domínguez Athletic Bilbao   £2,600,000 
Summer
01.07.2010   Fábio Aurélio   released   Free 
01.07.2010   David Martin   MK Dons   Free 
02.07.2010   Yossi Benayoun   Chelsea   £6,000,000
23.07.2010   Albert Riera  Olympiacos  £3,300,000
23.08.2010   Diego Cavalieri   Cesena   £3,000,000
25.08.2010   Krisztian Nemeth   Olympiacos   £1,000,000
30.08.2010   Javier Mascherano Barcelona   £17,250,000
31.08.2010   Alex Kacanicklic   Fulham   £750,000
31.08.2010   Lauri Dalla Valle   Fulham   £750,000
31.08.2010   Damien Plessis   Panathinaikos  UNKNOWN FOR NOW
Also Aquilani, Insua and Degen went out on loan.       

PLAYERS IN 2010 (£25.55m)

12.01.2010   Maxi Rodriguez   Atletico Madrid   Free
10.05.2010   Jonjo Shelvey   Charlton   £1,700,000 * 
Summer
08.07.2010   Milan Jovanovic   Standard Liege   Free
19.07.2010   Joe Cole  Out of contract   Free
21.07.2010   Danny Wilson  Glasgow Rangers £2,000,000
31.07.2010   Fabio Aurelio  Out of contract   Free
12.08.2010   Christian Poulsen  Juventus   £4,550,000
18.08.2010   Brad Jones   Middlesborough £2,300,000
29.08.2010   Raul Meireles   FC Porto   £11,500,000
31.08.2010   Paul Konchesky   Fulham  £ 3,500,000

PROFIT ON TRANSFER DEALINGS IN 2010:  £15.6m (the "substantial transfer budget in place" appears to have gone missing - again).

[fivecups]

Man City distortion (transfermarkt):

                        Spent                Recouped           Net     
Premier League  379.651.500 £  166.900.500 £  -212.751.000 £
Serie A         265.635.000 £ 247.266.000 £ -18.369.000 £
Primera División 234.783.000 £ 225.693.000 £ -9.090.000 £
1.Bundesliga 140.940.000 £ 127.800.000 £ -13.140.000 £
Ligue 1         125.100.000 £ 155.290.500 £ 30.190.500 £
SuperLiga         74.025.000 £ 121.275.000 £ 47.250.000 £

[fivecups]

Summer spending 2010 (tranfermarkt - haven't accounted for all yesterday's action yet). Surprised at the likes of Birmingham and Stoke, and also that we're second from bottom.

1 Manchester City -98,325,000
2 Chelsea FC -19,350,000
3 Birmingham City -17,640,000
4 Stoke City -12,892,500
5 Wolverhampton Wanderers -12,703,500
6 Arsenal FC -12,420,000
7 West Bromwich Albion -12,177,000
8 Wigan Athletic -10,800,000
9 Manchester United -8,707,500
10 Tottenham Hotspur -8,302,500
11 West Ham United -7,200,000
12 Newcastle United -6,480,100
13 AFC Sunderland -2,497,500
14 FC Blackpool -1,831,500
15 Bolton Wanderers -1,831,500
16 FC Everton -810,000
17 Blackburn Rovers 0
18 Fulham FC 1,395,000
19 Liverpool FC 7,132,500
20 Aston Villa 12,690,000
Total: -212,751,100

[Emerald Red]

Summer spending 2010 (tranfermarkt - haven't accounted for all yesterday's action yet). Surprised at the likes of Birmingham and Stoke, and also that we're second from bottom.

1 Manchester City -98,325,000
2 Chelsea FC -19,350,000
3 Birmingham City -17,640,000
4 Stoke City -12,892,500
5 Wolverhampton Wanderers -12,703,500
6 Arsenal FC -12,420,000
7 West Bromwich Albion -12,177,000
8 Wigan Athletic -10,800,000
9 Manchester United -8,707,500
10 Tottenham Hotspur -8,302,500
11 West Ham United -7,200,000
12 Newcastle United -6,480,100
13 AFC Sunderland -2,497,500
14 FC Blackpool -1,831,500
15 Bolton Wanderers -1,831,500
16 FC Everton -810,000
17 Blackburn Rovers 0
18 Fulham FC 1,395,000
19 Liverpool FC 7,132,500
20 Aston Villa 12,690,000
Total: -212,751,100

That is absolutely f*cking shocking!

[jacdaniel]

Convenient that we made about 7 million.. according to that.  And Ciggy posted yesterday that the club was been fined 7M.  and we failed to land a striker.