Liverpool FC Forum

[coops]

Two years ago I said GH could ruin Liverpool if we are not careful. I seriously believe it could happen. The signs are there for all to see. We are not invincible.

Here are my reasons for thinking this way:

1. Well over £100m spent on average players worth only one tenth of that today.

2. The club in serious debt (though they'd like us to believe it's manageable).

3. The possibility we may once again fail to qualify for the Champions League and lose vital funds and credibility

4. The very real possibilty Owen and Gerrard, our two best players, leave to further their careers, either end of this season of next.

5. A collection of foreign, overpaid, over rated, average misfits for players.

coops

[Dalglish]

Well argued point coops but you miss some GH qualities in my opinion, Whilst I agree GH has bought players who have not performed he has also bought several key players including hyppia, JAR, Kewell, Pongo, La Tellac and Kirkland. He also achieved a treble of trophies and 2nd place in the Prem with the highest number of points of ANY team finsihing 2nd in the league. Added to that he is a man of integrity and decency who represents LFC well in the media unlike several managers i'm sure i need not mention. His dignity and manner during his illness and his sensitivity to Hillsborough and fans is often overlooked when we are going through a  bad patch. However i believe (JUST my opinion remember) when key injured players return we can rescue this season and finish strongly including winning the FA CUP and doing well in the UEFA.


Wlak on ...

[115-1073096938]

The downfall of the club will be the growing number of people with the same attitude to the club as yourself in all honesty.

I can't see how you can be so against the club and hate the thought of the current setup working with patience if you say you love this club?

I'm sorry but the truth is you ARENT a supporter (check what that means)... you are a critic and we already have far, far, far to many of those.

I feel for the club, i love it like i'd love a wife or child maybe. I want to protect it when things aren't to good and be proud when they are. I can't believe the amount of people turning there backs on the team. One of the lads i play football with the other said... i quote "i won't even wear the shirt now its a disgrace.". When i questioned his pride he said he had none... wtf? what about all these small clubs like Yeovil etc... Your club should be in your blood if not then basically i ask you politely to do one.

1. Well over £100m spent on average players worth only one tenth of that today.

2. The club in serious debt (though they'd like us to believe it's manageable).

3. The possibility we may once again fail to qualify for the Champions League and lose vital funds and credibility

4. The very real possibilty Owen and Gerrard, our two best players, leave to further their careers, either end of this season of next.

5. A collection of foreign, overpaid, over rated, average misfits for players.

1. Ok... Hyypia, Kirkland, Hamann, Henchoz, Finnan, Babbel, McAllister, Barmby, Smicer, Heskey, Riise, Dudek, Baros, Litmanen and Kewell all average? Give me a f##kin break lad. Most of those players would walk into any team in the f##kin country... some of em Hamann, Kewell, Hyypia, Babbel the keepers would probably get into any side in the world.

2. Serious dept? Don't think so mate you got yer facts seriously muddled there. We're one of the richest clubs in the country. We sell merchandise allover the world and sell all over tickets for all our games nearly every week, the wage bill isn't excessive like some clubs and consistently qualify for europe. Also Houlliers NET spending since he's been at the club amounts to about £52m i think the figure was.

3. the possibility? listen mate... not once this season have we had Owen, Gerrard, Kewell, Hamann, Hyypia, Carragher, Finnan and one of the keepers on the pitch at once... they are our best players when that happens the results and confidence will roll in. Like i've said, for two games we were missing 2 only first teamers... thats the strongest we've been all year... once those players are in the side together we ARE good enough to challenge the top three.

4. Gerrards goin nowhere. Don't believe anything you read... met him more than once as he played for my sunday league team and his aunty owns Gerrards barbers at the top of my road in whiston and i am telling you he's goin nowhere. Owen... if wants to be a mercanary let him. Keegan was replaced by Dalglish, Rush was replaced by Fowler, Fowler replaced by Owen.... he won't be the last world class striker this club sees or produces.

5. One or two are... but what about Carragher, Gerrard, Murphy who'd die for the club and you can visibly see it when they play. With good foreign players like Hyypia, Hamann, etc and Owen (english i know) we have no need to be pessimistic.

[coops]

The downfall of the club will be the growing number of people with the same attitude to the club as yourself in all honesty.

I can't see how you can be so against the club and hate the thought of the current setup working with patience if you say you love this club?

I'm sorry but the truth is you ARENT a supporter (check what that means)... you are a critic and we already have far, far, far to many of those.

I feel for the club, i love it like i'd love a wife or child maybe. I want to protect it when things aren't to good and be proud when they are. I can't believe the amount of people turning there backs on the team. One of the lads i play football with the other said... i quote "i won't even wear the shirt now its a disgrace.". When i questioned his pride he said he had none... wtf? what about all these small clubs like Yeovil etc... Your club should be in your blood if not then basically i ask you politely to do one.

stu_the_red, I am not in the minority. As you point out, the vast majority of supporters do not support GH. Even last nights AGM had the majority of shareholders venting their fury against GH. And yet, by your reckoning, anyone that does not support GH are not real fans. That would account for most of the Liverpool following.

It seems your definition of a supporter is someone that lacks opinion or thought and supports blindly. I am against GH , NOT Liverpool FC. It is the very fact that I DO support and love the club that I am venting my feelings towards GH, because I honestly believe in my heart of hearts Liverpool FC will be better off without GH. Your point about me being against the club and not being a true fan is totally ridiculous and an insult.

I do not support the guy that said he would not wear his shirt. I wear my shirt with pride.

And I haven't seen a polite bone in your body as yet stu_the_red, just a very angry rude person.

[coops]

In fact stu_the_red, I refuse to respond to anything you say anymore because you are a waste of my time. You do nothing but write profanity and insult people.

You have no idea what a productive discussion is. I am not sinking to your low level.

I think there are a lot of people on this board who feel the same way.

[mistyred]

Both of u agree to disagree.That's why it's the discussion forum.
Look Nobody needs to feel affended because if all was well we would all be happy and have any need to get annoyed by others views,Something is wrong at the core of LFC and as MOORE said "The buck stops with me" that means he realises that it is his fault GH still resides at LFC and his fault that GH was given the funds to by such absolute duffers,exept the occassional few who were once good but then got GH's kiss of death:D .
But what do i know? After all i'm just a humble mortle or is that Muggle, your highnest the mighty lord voldermort er i'm mean DALGLISH....

[redandblue]

Coops has got it right..........stop harping on about the treble (when we got outclassed by Arsenal in the FA Cup Final, when we couldn't beat Birmingham over 120 minutes of open play, and when we conceded four goals to a Spanish pub team in the UEFA Cup final).

The gap between LFC and the top three is massive, and widening. We have over-rated players and a manager who is a tactical dwarf. The club IS in trouble. Which is why Owen and his advisers are stalling on a contract.

Those of you who think that a recovery is just round the corner........wake up

[big al]

COOPS I agree totally with all your points and just because your making them dosent give anyone the right to challenge your commitment and loyalty. I'm personally beginning to think Stu is either GH or he's shagging him.  Either way you gotta admire his defensive qualities, if only poor Biscan was as good as that!

[coops]

Either way you gotta admire his defensive qualities, if only poor Biscan was as good as that!

Now that's quality! LMAO

[coops]

3. the possibility? listen mate... not once this season have we had Owen, Gerrard, Kewell, Hamann, Hyypia, Carragher, Finnan and one of the keepers on the pitch at once... they are our best players when that happens the results and confidence will roll in. Like i've said, for two games we were missing 2 only first teamers... thats the strongest we've been all year... once those players are in the side together we ARE good enough to challenge the top three.

stu_the_red, I said I would not respond to your ranting anymore but I just can't help myself lol. I'm about to burst. I will address one of your recent points (see above). We are a massive club and as I have tried to put across to you we should be able to cope without a couple of injuries. At one time we had the biggest squad in the Prem League and I know we are not that far off now. Why buy squad players if you are going to complain when you have to play them?

I will list just one game which discredits you. There are more games but I'm not wasting anymore time on this.

Man U home - Dudek, Finnan, Gerrard, Hyypia, Kewell ALL PLAYED. And as far as Carragher goes, he plays in the right back position which Finnan takes. That leaves Hamann the only player missing.

Do I need to remind you of the result? 1-2 to the Mancs.

Enough said.

[JBG]

hyppia, JAR, Kewell, Pongo, La Tellac and Kirkland.

Since when has Sinama-Pongolle, Le Tallec and Kirkland - three youngsters with hardly 50 appearances and 3 goals between them - been "key" players for Liverpool?

They show promise, but they are far from the finished article and I don't think you can fairly put them down as reasons for keeping Houllier.

[115-1073096938]

I will list just one game which discredits you. There are more games but I'm not wasting anymore time on this.

Man U home - Dudek, Finnan, Gerrard, Hyypia, Kewell ALL PLAYED. And as far as Carragher goes, he plays in the right back position which Finnan takes. That leaves Hamann the only player missing.

Do I need to remind you of the result? 1-2 to the Mancs.

Enough said.

You aren't going to like this one... but hear goes. Carragher is the clubs first choice left back and was injured. Henchoz was injured. Hamann was injured and guess who you conveiniently missed out... only our best player Michael Owen didn't play... try again mate

[JBG]

The downfall of the club will be the growing number of people with the same attitude to the club as yourself in all honesty.

I can't see how you can be so against the club and hate the thought of the current setup working with patience if you say you love this club?

I'm sorry but the truth is you ARENT a supporter (check what that means)... you are a critic and we already have far, far, far to many of those.

I feel for the club, i love it like i'd love a wife or child maybe. I want to protect it when things aren't to good and be proud when they are. I can't believe the amount of people turning there backs on the team. One of the lads i play football with the other said... i quote "i won't even wear the shirt now its a disgrace.". When i questioned his pride he said he had none... wtf? what about all these small clubs like Yeovil etc... Your club should be in your blood if not then basically i ask you politely to do one.

1. Well over £100m spent on average players worth only one tenth of that today.

2. The club in serious debt (though they'd like us to believe it's manageable).

3. The possibility we may once again fail to qualify for the Champions League and lose vital funds and credibility

4. The very real possibilty Owen and Gerrard, our two best players, leave to further their careers, either end of this season of next.

5. A collection of foreign, overpaid, over rated, average misfits for players.

1. Ok... Hyypia, Kirkland, Hamann, Henchoz, Finnan, Babbel, McAllister, Barmby, Smicer, Heskey, Riise, Dudek, Baros, Litmanen and Kewell all average? Give me a f##kin break lad. Most of those players would walk into any team in the f##kin country... some of em Hamann, Kewell, Hyypia, Babbel the keepers would probably get into any side in the world.

2. Serious dept? Don't think so mate you got yer facts seriously muddled there. We're one of the richest clubs in the country. We sell merchandise allover the world and sell all over tickets for all our games nearly every week, the wage bill isn't excessive like some clubs and consistently qualify for europe. Also Houlliers NET spending since he's been at the club amounts to about £52m i think the figure was.

3. the possibility? listen mate... not once this season have we had Owen, Gerrard, Kewell, Hamann, Hyypia, Carragher, Finnan and one of the keepers on the pitch at once... they are our best players when that happens the results and confidence will roll in. Like i've said, for two games we were missing 2 only first teamers... thats the strongest we've been all year... once those players are in the side together we ARE good enough to challenge the top three.

4. Gerrards goin nowhere. Don't believe anything you read... met him more than once as he played for my sunday league team and his aunty owns Gerrards barbers at the top of my road in whiston and i am telling you he's goin nowhere. Owen... if wants to be a mercanary let him. Keegan was replaced by Dalglish, Rush was replaced by Fowler, Fowler replaced by Owen.... he won't be the last world class striker this club sees or produces.

5. One or two are... but what about Carragher, Gerrard, Murphy who'd die for the club and you can visibly see it when they play. With good foreign players like Hyypia, Hamann, etc and Owen (english i know) we have no need to be pessimistic.

? UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

1. The downfall of the club will not be fans who are among the best in the world and gave Houllier incredible support, especially in his early days and during his illness. The fans also showed a lot of patience last season during the bad run. The fans are getting angry now because the team is patently not good enough and Mr. Houllier has annoyed a lot of people with spin and false promises.

2. Half those players wouldn't get near the Man UTD or Arsenal reserve team, let alone "any team in the f##kin country".......Smicer and Heskey?

Also, you are wearing rose tinted glasses if you think that Hamman, Kewell, Hyppia and Babbel would "probably get into any side in the world". The first three are very good, but there's at least 5 players in the world in their position better than them, in fact, there's probably ten players in their position better than them. Kewell hasn't shown his true form in 2 seasons, Hyppia has declined a lot in the past 12 months and while Hamman is one of the best defensive midfielders around he doesn't have much more to his game (or at least we haven't seen much of his attacking side at Liverpool). Babbel is past it.

3. We seem to be relatively ok financially but nobody can be sure as the fans don't get to see the club's balance sheets. If we were "one of the richest clubs in the world" then why are we not spending 20million plus on players? Also, we have the third or fourth highest wage bill in the Premiership and we pay Heskey a reported 45grand a week.

4. We had Owen, Hamman, Hyppia, Gerrard and Carragher on the pitch plenty of times last season and look what happened. Also, Houllier was given plenty to spend on reserves, and those players that have played when there have been injuries have simply not performed. Also, since when has Steve Finnan been a vital player for Liverpool? He has scarcely played a dozen games for us and showed only glimpses of what he is capable of.

5. When Daglish replaced Keegan we were very close to being the best team in Europe, and Michael Owen had already outshone Fowler but who will replace Owen. Also Owen is not a mercenary: he had numerous opportunities to join Lazio on 100grand a week over the years but choose to stay with Liverpool. He could stay at Liverpool and make fantastic cash for the rest of his career. If he goes it will be to win major trophies and not for money, so I fail to see how he's a mercenary.

I think thart real Liverpool fans wouldn't begrudge him going either, the way things are at the moment.

[coops]

I disagree about Carragher. Riise was superb last season and was battling with Carragher for that left spot. But you are suggesting here that we are a one man team. And you did not mention anything about Henchoz.

The money GH has spent and the squad we have (we have FOUR strikers), we should not be depending on one player.

I covered Hamann.

You keep harping on about Le Tallec and Pongo. Well in that case surely the loss of Owen could be compensated with these players, and ofcourse Diouf, if they are so good as you say?

You are suggesting here that it's acceptable to be a mediocre side because we haven't played with ALL our so-called key players ALL the time. Get with the times bro, that's football today. NO TEAM can play with all their best 11 week in week out.

Injuries is a lame excuse at best.

[JBG]

You aren't going to like this one... but hear goes. Carragher is the clubs first choice left back and was injured. Henchoz was injured. Hamann was injured and guess who you conveiniently missed out... only our best player Michael Owen didn't play... try again mate

Houllier famously said three or four years ago that "there will always be a place for Jamie Carragher in my team".

Carragher eventually replaced Christian Ziege at left back in 2000/01, after spending the previous time under Houllier rotating across the back four and occasionally in midfield. In the 1999/2000 season Dominic Matteo also played a lot at left back, as occasionally did Rigobert Song. Carragher, however, had a very good season when he took over from Ziege in 2001.

Riise replaced Ziege but Houllier played him a lot in midfield until Babbel got sick. Carragher then moved over to the right and Riise returned to left back. Xavier played a few games in the second part of 2001/02 as Houllier rotated Carragher and Riise in the full back positions.

Last season Houllier almost exclusively played Carragher at right back, although he got a couple of games on the left this season and played at left full against Blackburn until Lucas Neill broke his leg.

I don't think anyone can positively say that Carragher is our regular left back. He is a favourite of Houllier and in my opinion a good defender with a good heart but has had every drop of flair or imagination coached out of him by the Houllier regime. Do you not forget how painful it was to watch him last year at Anfield when he got the ball on the half way line with thirty yards of space in front of him only to see him pass the ball back to Dudek?

Carragher is Houllier's firebrigade: he fits in across the defence wherever he is needed.